Black Sun's Zenith
Put X -1/-1 counters on each creature. Shuffle Black Sun's Zenith into its owner's library.
|Have (4)||metalmagic , , Horizon97 , gildan_bladeborn|
|Want (7)||nafgan , Blackswordsman123 , Magosis , JazzCrimes , OtakuGamerGeek , marktoews , Stickrib|
Printings View all
|Commander 2014 (C14)||Rare|
|Mirrodin Besieged (MBS)||Rare|
|Mirrodin Besieged: Phyrexia (MBP)||Rare|
|Promo Set (000)||Rare|
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- Ayara, First of Locthwain + Black Sun's Zenith + Nest of Scarabs
- Black Sun's Zenith + Generous Patron
- Black Sun's Zenith + Dusk Urchins
|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Black Sun's Zenith occurrence in decks from the last year
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Black Sun's Zenith Discussion
1 week ago
My first magic experience me and my two buddies were baked out of our trees, and it was Shards of Alara block. My buddy had a couple Shards decks built up, Naya Godsire, Jund Hellkite Overlord and Grixis Prince of Thralls and they all used the same mechanic with Demon's Herald et al. I honestly don’t remember the rest of the decks at all but by the end of the night my buddy was on top of the fridge taking a picture of the battlefield littered with these three clunky beginner decks. There’s a reason I value my Japanese foil Godsire so highly.
Bloodthrone Vampire was the centre of this janky aristocrats deck I built during Zendikar/Scars of Mirrodin for the Mirrodin Besieged Game Day, my first real build for a tournament. I remember running out the first day Rise of the Eldrazi was out between (or possibly instead of attending) my uni classes to specifically buy a playset of these vampires. Anyway, the deck also starred Abyssal Persecutor and Sarkhan the Mad, but the real power came from Act of Treason and the vampire. I stole just enough wins in a pre-Batterskull CawBlade world to Top 8 and still have my Black Sun's Zenith promo to show for it, which is another one of my favourite cards.
3 weeks ago
Idk, I think mana at that point is really just useful in Commander, which is good so it doesn't hurt other formats. It's also really good and strong with Doubling Season, but isn't overpowered because cards like AEtherize, Toxic Deluge, Evacuation, Black Sun's Zenith, etc. can be such big blowouts. The fact it can be countered makes it pretty useful!
Honestly, I can't think of a way to break the -4, despite trying. The best I have is Dualcaster Mage and a Druid's Deliverance, Full Flowering, or Ghired's Belligerence. All of those are pretty tame considering the mage already went infinite with Heat Shimmer well before this walker. Still some strong but not op idea!
3 weeks ago
bushido_man96: With a few edits, I'm at 54.99 right now. If I cut all the color-fixing lands, I'd be down to 54.09 -- the only cards in the list which are over 1.09 are Black Sun's Zenith, Eldrazi Monument, Skullclamp, Blowfly Infestation, Sol Ring, Phyrexian Reclamation, Eldritch Evolution, Animate Dead, Victimize, Generous Patron, Devoted Druid, Soul Snuffers, and Shared Summons. I think I want all of those over Bastion, but I'm not certain. Or maybe something will drop in price over the next week, who knows.
4 weeks ago
MrKillStar thank for your feedback. Some of those cards I actually considered but other's didn't even cross my mind, let's break it down.
Massacre Wurm is actually one that I tottally forgot about, it does fit well in the deck, gotta figure out what to cut tho, it was hard enough already had to cut around 20 cards before posting the changes to the deck...
Liliana of the Dark Realms has been in the deck before, several times, I do like her but when it comes to practical terms it does give me 1 or 2 swamps but my table never allows me to ult her, the few times I was able to ult her I won the game soon after and they know they can't let that happen, so I decided to remove her considering most times I play her to die next turn.
Lake of the Dead is nice, and I considered it before, but for the price it costs I'd rather not add it, I don't have the money for it.
Grim Return has been in the deck since it's first version, this is the only version of the deck where I actually cut it out, because I realized altho the card is good most of the times it would just be in my hand doing nothing because I'd want to save it for better creatures, although now with the new rules where the commander does hit the grave before being moved to the command zone, it would allow me to steal the commanders, hmmm might reconsider it. But again, idk what to cut in order to add that one, for 2 more mana Thrilling Encore does a better job.
Bloodcurdling Scream/Howl from Beyond, I only knew the latter of those but I prefer Hatred for that purpose. Actually I chose this name for the deck exactly because of Hatred as it was the main win-con when I first did it.
Tainted Strike would be a great addition if our playgroup played with the 10 infect death, but we changed it to 20 infect in our playgroup to be more "fair". Long story short some years ago a dude won with infect, like big time and people got triggered that it wasn't fair, yada yada, so the majority voted on changing the infect rule between us to 20 instead of 10, way to kill infect decks... So it's not worth in this context as it is basicly the same as cmdr dmg. However if I ever change playgroup sure I'll add Tainted Strike, I have a copy somewhere here.
The big X spells I'd rather just have a few of them, the ones currently in the deck, although you did suggest some interesting stuff, but I don't want many of those. As for Death Wind I had it in the deck before but I decided to replace it with Defile, most of the times it will have the same potential effect because the deck is mono-black plus I have Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth but I will be spending only 1 mana instead. Black Sun's Zenith is already in it btw.
I do like the versitality of Damnable Pact, it can be used to finish off an opponent or simply for you to draw, and I have considered adding it a few times but I don't see anything worth trading for it.
Anyway, thanks a lot for your input, I'll take a better look at your suggestions and see if there's something I can trade for any of those.
4 weeks ago
Pretty interesting deck :3
I could suggest:
Massacre Wurm - small-scale boardwipe (+Sudden Spoiling); MW also supports your Forbidden Orchard + Illness in the Ranks to slowly drain your opponents out.
Liliana of the Dark Realms - Her ultimate would help you a lot to cast big Exsanguinate/Torment of Hailfire. It might not always work, but you can at least fetch few swamps out of the deck.
Lake of the Dead - A bit pricey land from Reserved List, but it might help a lot aswell.
Grim Return - This could be good, when your commander kills something, just cast this, stealth the killed creature and re-do it next turn? Maybe.. just maybe.
Bloodcurdling Scream/Howl from Beyond - Ramp up, cast this and swing for lethal c.dmg with Umezawa?
Tainted Strike - Sneaky infect? Also insant for only one !
Big black spells with X? Consume Spirit - any target with lifesteal; Damnable Pact - possible card draw or finisher;Death Cloud - big mean cloud!; Death Wind - single target version of Black Sun's Zenith; Profane Command - this card is just great.
Black Market can be silly on its own, even sillier in token decks though... I personally buff it even more with Desecrated Tomb + Tortured Existence (+Phyrexian Altar to go infinite etb/etg triggers). I think any deck running black could use Tortured Existence, just to recover any creature from your graveyard you need at the moment and/or for madness.
1 month ago
IzmAYAYA That is a large reason why my creatures deal with counters themselves. If I were to go against a deck with little to no creatures or those creatures have protection, I want to still have a value engine going on. Originally, I did not have that be the case. There are still cards like Black Sun's Zenith, Carnifex Demon, and Midnight Banshee that don't care about targeting.
1 month ago
IzmAYAYA: Ammit Eternal, Soul Snuffers, Yawgmoth, Thran Physician, Black Sun's Zenith, and Grim Affliction are my biggest token producers. I tend to tutor for them, or draw aggressively until I find them.
1 month ago
Hey, I love your deck! A few notes which might make this deck play a little smoother.
Blighted Agent - I'd recommend that you take this card out. This is a Human Rouge, which means that you can't mutate onto this like you probably want to.
Diabolic Tutor - I'd recommend that you take this card out. If you were trying to go for a budget tutor effect, Grim Tutor is being reprinted in M21, and is sure to be cheaper in this coming set. That being said, a better alternative might be Uncage the Menagerie which is more creature focused, or some of the Transmute effects like Dimir House Guard or Dimir Infiltrator which tutor for a specific CMC
Deadly Tempest - I'd recommend that you take this card out. It seems that as a creature focused deck, you are almost always going to be suffering the most from this board wipe. Other alternatives would be Black Sun's Zenith or just a good ol' fashioned Damnation
Migration Path - I'd recommend that you take this card out. 4 mana to put 2 basics onto the field just isn't that good unfortunately. I'd recommend changing this out for a 2 mana Rampant Growth or a 3 mana Cultivate which is being reprinted in M21. In addition to changing Migration Path to one of those options, I would add a Traverse the Outlands. Your commander guarantees that this is a 5 mana 6 land ramp. I'd probably take out Villainous Wealth to make room for this change.
I think that is a good start! I actually have a Volrath, the Shapestealer commander deck which seems to have a lot of similar themes which is where I am getting inspiration from. Hope you enjoy!