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Black Sun's Zenith
Put X -1/-1 counters on each creature. Shuffle Black Sun's Zenith into its owner's library.
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Black Sun's Zenith Discussion
3 days ago
First Suggestion to make more competitive would be to lower average casting cost with out losing overall power - use more efficient costed cards which sometime means losing cards that have long term benefits but do nothing short term such as removing mind unbound as it does nothing till next turn then only draws one.
Based on the deck as is, and your meta's commanders here are some suggested adds (tried not to mention very expensive cards like fetches, volrath's stronghold, and doubling season - but some cards are not budget as their is no good alternative.)
Scavenging Ooze - graveyard hate, fits counter theme, and life gain.
Herald of Secret Streams - would work wonders.
Spike Weaver - helps against the decks that attack a lot. And gets counters on things that don't always have one.
Bloodspore Thrinax - bio master number 2 once he has a counter or many.
Eternal Witness - as recursion is great.
Anafenza, the Foremost - hoses meren. And is a 4/4 for 3, that can give counters.
Verdurous Gearhulk - a 5/5 with trample that puts counters on up to 3 other things (you would almost always target gearhulk with one).
Etched Oracle - card draw is always good.
Sage of Hours - extra turns are good right? With a couple other cards already in deck this goes infinite (if you wanted it to).
Black Sun's Zenith - partial wipe, you can shrink opponents creatures, then wipe them later. Not as good against Edgar as his counters will negate these.
Collective Effort - great with creatures in play.
Fellwar Stone ramp and fixing for 3 colors in your meta.
Chromatic Lantern should be in here especially since it more budget friendly.
Transmogrifying Wand - fun way of repeatable removal.
1 week ago
This is a good start. I feel like you are starting to look at cards the right way- assessing how to balance their disruptiveness and value, but the deck still feels a little unfocussed.
Lets look at a core concept in magic- card advantage- and build to that.
There are enablers; cards that don't do things on their own (lands, ramp spells, combo pieces, most 1/1s, etc). Proactive cards that are very good when your play them on their own (kitchen finks type stuff, planeswalkers) Reactive cards that are good at trading 1-for-1 with proactive cards (mana leak, fatal push), Card advantage spells (things that mean you effectively have more cards played, even if they don't always read 'draw a card'.)
If you have more relavant answers than your opponent has proactive cards, then they'll mostly find it difficult to hit you. If you have more playable proactive cards than your opponent you'll probably be able to race them. If you have cards that slot into multiple categories in useful ways, you have virtual card advantage, and can pick the appropriate approach for the particular matchup. These are the core concepts that you need to build midrange.
Lets look at what your deck wants to do. A build around Demonlord of Ashmouth and Demon of Catastrophes, with enablers in the form of small creatures and ramp spells, and a few spot answers with light card advantage tools to clear the way. You're prepared to give up cards to demonlord of ashmouth or demon of catastrophies to have a big threat hitting your opponent. This is a really good start that the rest of your deck should build to support. A big threat that goes over aggro and fights through answers.
So general principals- you want enough card advantage to offset your enablers, or to make those enablers useful in other ways. You want enablers that also help you race down other decks with big flying demons. And you want tools to protect those demons.
Budget lists can't afford the 'universally good' stuff, like Collective Brutality or Cryptic Command, so you need to look at larger groups of teir 2 cards with good synergy and large print runs, preferably with deckbuilding restrictions that cut the price further. So lets cover some general options, explain the why, and then leave you to find things to fill out the list.
You want things that make small creatures and make these big things easier to cast. Llanowar Elves(price listing on this is busted) and Elves of Deep Shadow will let you cut the land count some- and they'll let you slam a big demon earlier whilst providing a body to sacrifice. Turn 1 extra mana is strong enough for people to spend their lightning bolt on it- and thats one more thing not pointed at the threats.
While Sylvan Caryatid is a great card, spending an extra mana to 'blank' a removal spell with hexproof is less relevant when your big stuff doesn't also blank removal, and likely isn't worth the extra mana (its great when your threats are stuff like enchantments or combos which are hard to disrupt).
Scavenging Ooze should be maindeck- its a graveyard meta, and its a decent body that likes you sacrificing creatures, lifegain is relevant, and even against decks that play no creatures it hits their snapcaster targets. Its both a threat and an answer. Cards that give you lots of options are good.
Cards that let you play with +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters are good in sacrifice lists- much like Gavony Township makes Kitchen Finks nigh-unkillable, Cauldron Haze and cards like Exemplar of Strength or Hapatra's Mark/Heartmender/Nest of Scarabs with Young Wolf and Safehold Elite or Black Sun's Zenith can really put in work. You just need to be sure to pick cards that all work well together. While individually they are worse than high value cards, as a group they can outperform- and most importantly, choose them to be versatile.
A card that gives an aggressive and defensive option is perfect for midrange. When building the spine of your deck, look for groups like this to fill it out. Having interseting choices makes the game fun.
Most of all, playtest, and have fun playing. Because thats how you get a top-notch deck. I'd take a look at Rite of Belzenlok decks in standard right now, they showcase a lot of the tools you'll be looking for, and its a good card for the archetype (even if its a little slow).
3 weeks ago
4 copies of Black Sun's Zenith... fair enough. I can't argue that. But I will stick to my guns on my other enchantments as they allow shenanigans to continue on my opponents turn. Blowfly Infestation allows the combo to go off and Everlasting Torment lets my insects/snakes replace themselves if they block or are blocked. I'll probably end up dropping Fate Transfer for some actual removal, Necroskitter for the 2 more Black Sun's, and maybe -1 Everlasting Torment for +1 Undying Evil which comes in surprisingly handy.
3 weeks ago
3 weeks ago
First things first: Spore Frog is an all star in this deck.
This deck looks like it wants to make tokens and sac them off. Carrion Feeder and Viscera Seer are great budget sac outlets. I’d also recommend Phyrexian Plaguelord since you can convert tokens into -X/-X to remove stuff. This is noteworthy because -X/-X effects will kill indestructible creatures where normal damage and effects that use the word “destroy” will not. Also note that if you are trying to destroy a God such as Erebos, he needs to become a creature before you are able to get rid of him. Since you have Zulaport Cutthroat, you should also use Blood Artist.
Now, you need tokens to sac off. Avenger of Zendikar is your best option. Hornet Queen creates a small army of deathtouch fliers. Mycoloth wants to eat all nonessential creatures so he can generate an army at the start of each of your turns. Mitotic Slime is als great with Meren since it lets you build experience counters and generate tokens to sac off. Army of the Damned is an army in a can and can be abused by tossing Eterbal Witness in and out of the graveyard. Ghoulcaller Gisa is a very good choice if you’re looking to sac off Avenger of Zendikar repeatedly.
Ramp is a cornerstone of every deck with green in it. Sakura Tribe Elder is good, but you want Rampant Growth, Cultivate, Kodama's Reach, and Explosive Vegetation. You cannot really abuse these with Meren unless you sac and reanimate Eternal Witness, but they are essential for making sure you get the correct colors you need when you need them. If you want to be cheeky, you can run Abundance as well to guarantee land drops when you need them or skip lands when you don’t need them.
Card draw is necessary here. Regal Force is a great follow up once you’ve made an army of creatures. Skeletal Scrying, Read the Bones, Night's Whisper. Don’t wince at the cost in life, 2 life here and there does not matter when you have 40 life.
Board wipes will level the playing field if you fall behind. Necromantic Selection, Decree of Pain, and Black Sun's Zenith are viable options here. You can wipe and rebuild faster than your opponents more likely than not, so pull the trigger if you feel like you are losing or falling behind.
3 weeks ago
I've noticed a lot of questions about this, its quite upsetting really with such vague standing in the rules. So id like to clarify how ive been treating this and ask for feed back. Apologies to some, you may think this is old news, it has become relevant for me recently again. So say you have Predator Ooze and someone Tragic Slips it, so here are how clean up rules work.
514.1 First, if the active player’s hand contains more cards than their maximum hand size (normally seven), they discard enough cards to reduce their hand size to that number. This turn-based action doesn’t use the stack.
514.2 Second, the following actions happen simultaneously: all damage marked on permanents (including phased-out permanents) is removed and all “until end of turn” and “this turn” effects end. This turn-based action doesn’t use the stack.
514.3 Normally, no player receives priority during the cleanup step, so no spells can be cast and no abilities can be activated. However, this rule is subject to the following exception:
514.3a At this point, the game checks to see if any state-based actions would be performed and/or any triggered abilities are waiting to be put onto the stack (including those that trigger “at the beginning of the next cleanup step”). If so, those state-based actions are performed, then those triggered abilities are put on the stack, then the active player gets priority. Players may cast spells and activate abilities. Once the stack is empty and all players pass in succession, another cleanup step begins.
So basically, wouldn't tragic slip end, then "legend rule" takes effects after? Just trying to understand because this is super important how the phases work. I need to be 100% on this. A card like Black Sun's Zenith would cause removal, but the slip would not? Because it is resolved before the Ooze?
1 month ago
Hey, long time no see!
Back with a few suggestions for you.
Why not Nevermore to block the already low-enough cards that could deny you a victory with Sigarda? Name either their commander, or, if they play those colors...
...or any combo piece if you know enough of the mtg possibilities.
Nylea's Colossus is a big beater with enchantment upsides.
Hope you find something you like in those!
1 month ago
Generous Patron is sadly not legal in Modern. I was wanting to include her so badly in my -1/-1 counters deck..