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Subterranean Tremors deals X damage to each creature without flying. If X is 4 or more, destroy all artifacts. If X is 8 or more, put an 8/8 red Lizard creature token onto the battlefield.
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Subterranean Tremors Discussion
carpecanum on Burn
9 hours ago
Stolen Strategy counts as card draw, otherwise red usually gives cards to everybody or makes you discard. There are some card draw artifacts you could use (tons actually, i'd search "draw a card" / artifact on this site and the gatherer).
1 day ago
Félix-Antoine, thanks for the suggestions. I don’t know if you’ve read my profile or seen any of my other decks, but I build budget, and my cap is about $80. I think that splashing another in general would put the deck above that limit, so I’ve thought about splashing in the past, but refrained from doing it. I would say that yes, red dragons on their own would be weak, because on their own they have almost nothing early game. That being said, I have ways to speed up dragons so I can have time to play them. There’s a lot of ramp here, with playsets of both Sol Ring and Dragonlord's Servant, so the speed isn’t really an issue. Second, I don’t know if you’ve ever played multiplayer, but do you know how hard it is to control 4 different people at once? That’s the reason why I don’t, and never have played control. Based on that, Inwould say that, at least for multiplayer, Subterranean Tremors is a much better spell, as it hits everyone’s early game creatures, rather than just one person. So, I don’t mean to sound rude or anything, but it is probably better than the spells you have suggested, just for multiplayer at least. In 1 v 1 matches, I might take your advice, but in multiplayer, that might just hinder me. Also, if I really need that creature removal from Royal Assassin, I have Spit Flame to cover that base. So many thanks for the suggestions, but I think I’m going to have to pass on those specific ones. However, I will certainly think about adding a little bit more controlling elements into the deck. Good luck with your own deck, and Happy Deckbuilding!
3 weeks ago
Hello ^^ I haven't put my version in tappedout yet, but I'll do it as soon as I can! The changes I tried over your version are minimal for now. I'll list them one by one:
1) in Loyal Apprentice, out Young Pyromancer. The few times I've played pyromancer I haven't been impressed at all, while the apprentice have been an overperformer. Maybe it's a matter of playstyle, but I've come to appreciate haste a lot. I was also considering taking out Thorn of Amethyst so it's probably worth to have pyromancer instead, as cheap token producers are very good in this deck, although I'm still not quite sure if pyromancer scales as well as apprentice as the game goes on; apprentice topthers having haste and flying is huge to push in grenzo triggers.
2) Took off Moggcatcher for Glorybringer. As an standard red player I've been consistently impressed with the dragon. The way I see it, it's a heavy hitter, able to push in damage and get grenzo triggers on late game fast, that sometimes kills stuff. I haven't drawn it yet so I'm gonna consider this a flexible slot, and try some other alternatives over time. Stolen Strategy feels also like a good replacement for moggcatcher, as both are grindy cards.
3) took off Sandstone Oracle for Chandra, Flamecaller. I see why the oracle is here: helps catching up, can't be easily casted with our colorless fast mana, has a nice flying body, and can be quite grindy with Daretti, Scrap Savant or Goblin Welder. However, in my experience it rarely does enough if you are not in a dedicated Daretti deck. 7 mana is a lot and unless you have some player going crazy on the table, the draw etb is not that good if you can't consistently recurr it. The fact that it dies to artifact removal is huge too. Put in Chandra instead cause is 1 mana less, the 0 ability is a very consistent way to get you cards, the tokens she produces have haste and help with grenzo triggers (they are also great sac fodder, and as Spawning Pit has been super good the few times I've play it, I'm super happy to have more psinergy with it), they close games very quickly too. Chandra also is a board wipe in a pinch and very good to have in play when you Jokulhaups. I still haven't got to draw an play the card but as the deck generates lotta tokens to defend her, I feel it's gonna be decent, what do you think?
3) Alternatives to Mishra's Workshop. Put in Temple of the False God cause it felt similar, but it leds to some feel bad moments so I'm considering taking it off. Crystal Vein is always a mana source that can give you a burst when needed, and Scavenger Grounds doesn't ramp you but it's such and easy inclusion to hate on graveyards, something the deck lacks.
General considerations! Man I miss Chaos Warp so much in this deck. It's an answer to Ghostly Prison effects that are very bad for us, walkers that bolt can't hit, indestructible eldrazis, stuff that our damage base removal can't kill... I feel those represent the three things this decks is weaker against: ramp to big creatures strategies, dedicated token strategies (with green) and pillow fort. The last feels less problematic cause generally pillow forts are annoying to everyone on the table so other players are gonna also throw removal at them. But I feel we are kinda hopeless against lotta big dudes cause almost none of our removal can si anything about them and our creatures are to small to trade. Token strategies present a wall of chunk blockers that's hard to attack into, that eventually get very big and ran over you quite easily.
I'm putting cards like glorybringer or chandra in the deck to be able to disrupt those strategies and kill them as quickly as possible. I just wanna as much cards that can act as removal as I can get Xd so I have Mizzium Mortars, Subterranean Tremors and Umezawa's Jitte in my radar. The freaking jitte is in my binder looking at my with puppy eyes asking me to play it, such a great card, does so much! Bolt is the card I'd maybe take off for any of those but I'm still not sure at all. And sorry for the wall of text. I love the deck and I'm putting a lot os thought and work into it :P Tell me what you think. Did you consider any of these cards?
1 month ago
2 months ago
pedros234, I use the following artifact/enchantment removal cards in my Omnath, Locus of Armageddon v2.6 deck: Bane of Progress, Rite of Ruin, Subterranean Tremors, Shatterstorm, Wave of Vitriol, and Hellkite Tyrant. On a side note, Hellkite Tyrant + Tireless Tracker = easy victory. Hope this can give you ideas to overcome your meta.
2 months ago
5 months ago
ShreddedByCrows, so, here we go. I am swapping the following for the suggested, with playtest in mind. Banefire for Scroll Rack. Then, Mirari for Mistveil Plains. Followed by,Charmbreaker Devils for Madblind Mountain, as well as,Forbidden Orchard for Incendiary Command. Take note that this fixes the mana curve and land shortage. Finally, Repercussion comes back in replacing Warleader's Helix.
ShreddedByCrows, You were absolutely correct on Subterranean Tremors, however, as you put it, it does consume my artifacts. What I found out playtesting is this deck tends to durdle around looking for the right moments to play things. Unfortunately, this makes for casting the commander and keeping her safe extremely hard. In one situation a UG deck too card advantage and board state presence control with Roil Elemental. In this case, I barely won by Blasphemous Act copied by the Goggles.
Essentially, the deck has a lot of opportunity for improvement. One such is that it has a hard time dealing damage to flying creatures. The multiple Wheel of Fortune effects helps quite a bit. On my duties for this deck now include calculating the target worth of Sunforger. If there are less than five targets, I find that the card is an expensive tutor that attracts a lot of board hate. I have it in mind that the future replacement may well be a Lightning Greaves.
5 months ago
Subterranean Tremors is maybe not that good... as you play a lot of artefacts and it just could end as a bad card stucked in your hand. But you can imagine a greedy combo with Mycosynth Lattice and Darksteel Forge (which are both useless in your actual deck, so it's a pretty useful suggestion!). x)