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Pact of Negation
Pact of Negation is blue.
Counter target spell.
At the beginning of your next upkeep, pay . If you don't, you lose the game.
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Pact of Negation Discussion
1 week ago
To clarify, I never said Teyo is the card to go here, just that he's better than misako :) If you want to try him out at all in commander, this is probably the only deck where he's worth mentioning. Yeah in my meta arcedes would never stick for a turn cycle. This deck is easily thwarted if you never let Arcedes, High Alert or Assault Formation stick, so being able to fight through that is a must. If you face many counterspells Autumn's Veil is a great addition here as well. I dislike Lightning Greaves and Swiftfoot Boots here since you don't get much for their cost. Ideally this deck goes someting like:
The nice thing about this is that noone is ever gonna remove or counter your walls. You just need to get Arcedes through. Cards like Force of Will Pact of Negation can help here in an extremely counter heavy meta if you want to play arcedes on curve, or you stay back build up to like 30 Damage wich on T7 onwards is often nearly lethal for a player and then play Arcedes for a big swing. Hardly any playgroup will let him stick for long since he also draws a lot of cards, which makes him so good. If you give him hexproof or shroud all you do is force out a sweeper which you don't want to happen at all, so counterspells are clearly the way to go here imho.
Changes I would do right now:
Cut: Masako the Humorless doesn't do enough Fog Bank 2 mana 2/2 flyer doesn't seem so good Skyshroud Claim ramps you when you're done ramping. average cmc of the deck is 2.2 Perimeter Captain cut for Wall of Runes Island Average cmc of the deck is 2.2
On a Budget add: Slagwurm Armor Might be really good. Will never get removed and 3 mana for +6 seems kinda broken Geist of the Archives Smooth out draws a bit Rampant Growth Fixing and Ramp Meekstone Defense Autumn's Veil Protection/Control
2 weeks ago
I think considering the current Legacy meta, slotting out a single Thoughtseize for a Pact of Negation is both risky but might up your winrate nonetheless. If you can manage to pay the upkeep cost against combo matchups that aren't going off Turn 1, it could definitely be worth considering. It's important to remember that Pact is a protection spell though, so its uses are a bit more limited.
2 weeks ago
Hi Deadalus19876. First question. Do you play Dota? Your name is a dota item.
Prismatic Omen and lest also include Realmwright . I did play them once in my original deck way back. Like 3 years ago. And I found it to be better to include more mountains and cut those two cards. For a simple reason. This deck only needs Valakut and then it's rock and rolling. If I cut mountains and add these two cards it becomes a 2 card combo. And if you wanna have 2 card combos then Flash + Protean Hulk is just better. Now sitting with Valakut and activating Thrasios isn't a 1 card combo. But it kinda is.
Mana Drain the answer is simple. 2 blue mana is a bit heavy. Sure I have a Pact of Negation . I guess mana drain is card you could include however so I will add it to the maybe board. Like it could be included for sure. Pyroblast is already inside that deck. But I guess I forgot Swan Song . In the video, I did mention why I don't play mana crypt. If I am to unlucky that coin flip will kill my combo. Sure you could play it and never cast it until you draw ad nauseaum. Personally, I dislike cards that function that way. That is the same thing with Dark Ritual . I am not a fan of consumable rituals. I kinda like permanent rituals like Carpet of Flowers . But I agree that dark ritual should be mentioned. Others might like it and I agree that you could play it. I will add it to my maybeboard.
I am going to be blunt: Its the idea you should netdeck. Not the exact deck recipe. This deck doesn't have to be built in this exact way. It is a very open deck. You can add more lands. Or even cut lands. You could add more artifacts and add Mox Opal . So if you believe in the idea, maybe you could build it in a way that you believe will function.
I believe this function. From experience. Also, I am not saying this is the best EDH deck ever. That isn't it.
2 weeks ago
dude1818 The more I play and upgrade this deck, the less its about cascade. Wheel works really well without cascade, and while trying to cascade out a wheel, it can be far harder to predict. As it is, Yidris is usually just my opener, cascading out for value early on. My playgroup has wised up to the threat of cascade from Yidris, so lower cmc spells also help to stabilise a board after hes hit with heavy CC. My plan is to add in a Doomsday combo soon, my pile being Gitaxian Probe , Gush , Pact of Negation , Street Wraith and Laboratory Maniac . Or, for a less mana intensive, cascade friendly version, Ancestral Vision , Pact of Negation , anything (maybe more protection), Gush and then labman, with the initial cascade trigger being anything else in the deck. After this I want to add ad nauseum then lowering the average CMC to be 3 or less except for Whispering Madness and a few other things. This is why my average CMC is getting lower and lower.
3 weeks ago
This deck list is pretty solid as is, my only nitpick is that you could definitely benefit from more counter-magic. I'd recommend Dovin's Veto , Counterspell , Disallow , Forbid , Pact of Negation . Also, I think Absorb is kinda bad, Render Silent seems way better here.
3 weeks ago
I've been running Doomsday as a backup line in an Oona, Queen of the Fae deck centered around Bolas's Citadel , and I just wanted to stop in to say 1) that this primer has been very helpful in refining my lines! And 2) that Jace. Wielder of Mysteries makes the piles so much easier to manage, since he's basically a Laboratory Maniac who counts as a +3 in the pile.
1 month ago
I would argue the lands are the most crucial as at the end of the day you do need to make your colors for this deck very effectively, and you need the duals for helping your Pentad Prism math. With your remaining starting budget I would get all your scry lands, the artifacts (or else you will never win quick enough without them), Simian Spirit Guide , and the actual wincons. Anything left over after that should go to cantrips and Spoils of the Vault , unless of course it is enough to buy a few of the other lands. As for the 2 remaining Pact of Negation , for the time being you can get away with running 1 Echoing Truth and 1 Desperate Ritual in those spots, that should save you some money until you can upgrade them and if control isn't a problem where you live this should be decent for now. You can also throw a Solemnity into the deck for the time being seeing how your ability to stall will be hampered by your lands.
Keep me updated on your progress I am always willing to help out as well!
P.S. Lotus Bloom not petal (I wish) make sure you don't accidentally buy the wrong card ;)
1 month ago
Thanks for some fo the recondmendations so far. I am aiming for around the $250 dollar mark. I currently have all of the cantrips, a single Pact of Negation , and a set City of Brass but that is it so far. I think that cards that seem most expensive in the deck, without being the most crucial, would be the lands(specifically the fast lands). Since Leyline of Sanctity will cost around 100, and most of the other crucial parts( Angel's Grace , Lotus Petal , Ad Nauseam , and Phyrexian Unlife ) Will probably be around 100. Where should I invest my remaining $50+, since a set of only 4 fast lands would really take most of that budget.?
Pact of Negation occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.09%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.09%
U/R (Izzet): 0.47%
G/U (Simic): 0.52%
W/U/B (Esper): 0.57%
U/B/R (Grixis): 0.51%
BUG (Sultai): 0.59%