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Chandra, Awakened Inferno
Legendary Planeswalker — Chandra
This spell can't be countered.
+2: Each opponent gets an emblem with "At the beginning of your upkeep, this emblem deals 1 damage to you."
-3: Chandra, Awakened Inferno deals 3 damage to each non-Elemental creature.
-X: Chandra, Awakened Inferno deals X damage to target creature or planeswalker. If a permanent dealt damage this way would be put into the graveyard from the battlefield this turn, exile it instead.
Chandra, Awakened Inferno Discussion
1 week ago
Whoah. Colinmjoyce. I never really expected anyone else to build this deck... on Arena, maybe, but I thought I was only guy willing to build something this off-meta in paper. My feelings are a bit mixed, this deck is my baby, I've been refining it since Captive Audience first came out, I bought the expensive duel lands and everything, it is extremely unique and completely brewed and balanced on my own, the idea of someone else playing it somewhere out there is... pretty neat actually. Good on ya, mate, glad you didn't get screwed by card draw. I have only gotten down to FNM with it maybe... four times? so far, (though I have played it endlessly on Arena) so, while I have never lost all my games, I also have yet to win all three rounds. And now you have beaten me to a full FNM win! With my own deck! Unbelievable! Still, perhaps the competition is a bit more casual where you're at, who knows.
The thing I would be mainly curious to hear about would be how your opponents reacted to the deck. Were they completely thrown for a loop, and had no idea how to play against it? Did they appreciate how original it is? And especially, did they seem to have a good time? While I consider it a very polite control deck, with absolutely zero counterspells, having your creatures and planeswalkers relentlessly removed might wear on them a bit. But just having Captive Audience as the win-con should offset that I always figured, it's such an off-meta card to lose to.
Anyway, I really appreciate you having the faith in my creation to take it out there, and I'm glad performed up to spec for you. It's pretty cool to hear that someone actually took the deck to FNM.
Now then, as to Chandra, Awakened Inferno. Absolutely not! Rule #1 of this deck: no planeswalkers and no creatures. If the opponent has Vraska's Contempt in hand it is a dead card. A dead topdeck. Period. They would have done better to have drawn a land. Cast Down ? Useless. Kaya's Wrath ? Ded. (Board clears can deal with our zombies, but those are not the wincon, so we really couldn't care less.) Bedevil ? Nope. (Well, if we have our one Immortal Sun out, then it has one thing in our deck that it can hit.) Prison Realm ? Forget it. No scry for you.
One must also note that unless the opponent has recently faced a Thousand-Year Storm deck, (and even then they normally run Ral) they will neither be prepared nor know what to expect from a deck that avoids the two most common win conditions/utilities in Standard. Secondly we have no room for planeswalkers. The sheer virtue of this deck is that anything which isn't card-draw or a win-condition is a removal spell. Everything. The only dead topdeck a lot of the time is a land. There are actually only five cards in the mainboard which act as card draw. The deck survives off of the sheer massive odds of topdecking a desired removal spell whenever needed.
One good argument against this is that a planeswalker can double as a removal spell. Chandra, Awakened Inferno for example, is an ideal example of this. She cannot be countered, and then you get priority to guaranteed get off one of her abilities, so one could think of her as: "6 mana, this spell cannot be countered, exile target creature with 6 toughness or less, or target planeswalker with 6 loyalty or less," with the additional benefit that if the opponent does not want that to happen again at a later time, then they need to expend some damage or mana to remove her. (Assuming that you killed something with 5 toughness/loyalty or less, or used the second or first ability.) Thus planeswalkers can count as removal.
But this lessens the psychological edge this ridiculous little deck has over its opponents. And it would just be thematically off, this is an enchantment control deck. Also, well, we run The Immortal Sun . ?_?
But as for Chandra, Awakened Inferno “working well with Theater of Horrors ,” absolutely not. The emblem her first ability gives activates at the beginning of the opponent’s upkeep, and you can only cast cards from under ToH during your turn. And neither of her other two abilities damage the opponent. Chandra, Novice Pyromancer could be handy for activating ToH for free for a couple of turns after casting her.
All that said, an ALTERNATE build of this deck, AKA a just slightly different build, could easily have planeswalkers. In which case I highly recommend Ugin, the Ineffable , as he can deal with enemy enchantments and is just all-around awesome, and Angrath, the Flame-Chained , who was originally considered for the slot currently held by The Immortal Sun. Chandra, Awakened Inferno ’s +2 ties in very nicely with our alternate win-condition of just pinging them down with I-GI and ToH, and yes, her -3 could be quite handy, as would her -X. Chandra, Novice Pyromancer offers a Shock on a stick, as well letting us play CA on turn five with her -1. So as I have surely mentioned somewhere, replacing The Immortal Sun and a few other cards with some planeswalkers would be a perfectly viable alternate approach to the deck. (As would going Mardu.)
So yeah, thanks for taking the deck for a spin, hope you enjoyed it.
1 week ago
plusARGON I haven't worked on this specific deck really since M20 came out but I love the idea of Chandra, Acolyte of Flame . The flashback land destruction spells is amazing and she can become a damage threat if their lands are under control with the elemental 1/1's.
Thanks for the suggestions!
Chandra, Awakened Inferno is also great however I think with this deck getting to 6 mana takes quite a while and a threat that size would feel dead in hand as good as it is most of the time. (we tried Inferno Titan and they were a very quick addition then subtraction due to drawing them feeling so bad).
1 week ago
I love Cascading Cataracts !! I'm happy to see it in a deck that can use it!
1 week ago
Hey man, do you really need all those planeswalkers? I would only keep Chandra, Awakened Inferno .
I don't see a cohesive deck here :(
There are too many things it's trying to do. Some stax, some burn, some superfriends, some token(why run Purphoros, God of the Forge ?)
I have a Neheb deck myself that plays nicely, although it's not highly competitive: The Eternal Flame. This is a groupslug deck. Slows and hurts people consistently until they are out of the game. Maybe you can get some inspiration out of it?
1 week ago
Hi, I hope that at least some of what i'm going to put here will be useful, and even if you don't use any of my advice then maybe you will be able to see where I am coming from and use the logic to find your own improvements :)
As the previous commenter has suggested the amount of ramp spells that put lands in to play in your deck is a bit to low for a ramp deck especially one that has subthemes of landfall. Typical commander deck building suggestions say that you should have 10 pieces of ramp to tide you into the midgame. This goes for any deck, not just ramp decks. In ramp decks you will want more. At my count you have 12 ramp cards that are reusable (ie, aren't the one shot sacrifice elemntals) this will want to be more really, with a focus on them being ones that put lands in to play. Another of note, is that cards like Zendikar Resurgent don't really count as a ramp slot, as by the time we can cast it, we have a lot of mana already. 'Ramp' cards are ones that you want to see in your opening hand to get you into your game plan faster.
For this reason I would look into replacing some of the creature based ramp and some other low impact cards with this ramp that will get us executing our main game plan faster and better.
These can all be easily replaced with land based ramp spells as they don't get you any further ahead on mana than 1 land, or are one shot abilities when we want to be dropping big things multiple times over multiple turns.
Smokebraider Is unique because it produces 2 mana for only 2 investment, but only if we focus in on elemtals so can be left on a short list to be evaluated. We'll list other potential cuts later when looking at more over all deck evaluation.
The previous commentor has provided a list which at first glance seems to be comprehensive enough to provide some ideas for what to add.
More conventional commander wisdom suggests that you have at least 5 ways to directly interact with your opponents game plan. I personally nearly always play more than this, but you should have at least 5. This direct interaction is preferred to be the targetted simgle response cards that can remove threats in any shape or form. Of note, this removal count is seperate from the count of mass removal. At my count you have Song of the Dryads , the down tick of Domri, Anarch of Bolas and Ingot Chewer as easily accessable removal. Things like the trigger from your commander or things like Magmatic Force are more incedental as you can't rely on them doing what you want when you need it.
Cards that could be added in this slot are many. But it is a good idea to have as many as you can being generic answers to anything, but also you need to make sure that they are ones you can realistically weave into your game plan instead of leaving up those answers at all times. This is mostly a balncing act that is where fine tuning comes in from playing the deck. But potential recommendations for all purpose would be Beast Within and Chaos Warp . After that they become more specific but can be cheaper in mana,
- Nature's Claim
- Domri's Ambush
- Force of Vigor
- Krosan Grip
- Hull Breach
- Broken Bond
- Reclamation Sage
This may seem counterintuitive, seen as you are planning on being the big creature deck that wants the board presence. But sometimes the opponents boards just need answering (Not to mention that you might end up getting a lot of elemental death triggers from Omnath). As such having 2 or 3 creature wraths might be worth trying. And having 2 or 3 artifact and enchantment wraths will be good to have access to aswell. Something you already have so I assume you already know.
Creature wraths to consider in green red include
- Blasphemous Act
- Chandra's Ignition
- Chain Reaction
- Savage Twister - This one is representative of X cost ones that are interesting to try as it gives you the oppertunity of clearing out small creatures while keeping yours alive if you would prefer. Another one that can also be used to finish of players is Rolling Earthquake
You already have the cards for mass removing artifacts and enchantments so I won't bother listing any more.
One of the most common recommendations I have to make to people about their deck is to up the amount of card draw or selection in their decks. There is no point in having sweet cards and synergies in here if we never get to see them! Normally I recommend having 10 ways of drawing cards in your deck, with some of them being repeating and some being one shot. At my count you currently have 7 (Or 8 if you count Praetor's Counsel which can do effectively a similar job), so you are nearly there but I would recommend adding a couple mr just to smooth out the deck running.
- Harmonize is the most obvious recommendation withit being notorious for its colour pie break with not haveing a restriction based on creatures or similar.
- Horn of Greed is universal, but we should be getting more value from it.
- Greater Good is amazing if you keep having big creatures to sacrifice. Thankfully due to our commander triggers, we do!
- Chandra, Flamecaller can cover multiple bases of what we need, it can be counted as both a wrath AND a card draw engine :) IT also even makes elementals (of note, they get exiled at end step instead of dieing so you won't normally get Omnath triggers. Sacrificing them to Greater Good though....... )
- Rishkar's Expertise can be great card draw as you don't need to take a full turn off to refuel, you still get to cast something that costs less, which could be that removal spell or something you needed!
These overview sections are recommendations for generic cards that could go in. From here on, we will be looking at more specific card options, and possible cuts from the existing deck
Now, again as the previous commentor mentioned, there are multiple ways you can take an Omnath deck. My take on them being
- RG Big thing Ramp. No specific synergies in mind except for incidental ones like, I need land to cast my big spells, and this card cards about land. Not a bad deck by any means, just less commander or theme focused.
- Elemental Tribal Ramp. This seems to be closer to what you are currently going for. Similar to the RG ramp deck, just with tribal synergies from elementals
- Landfall / Lands Matter. Here we are focusing on many landfall triggers, and keep cycling our lands round and round to get them. This deck will likke having access to things like Crucible of Worlds and many effects like Exploration
Here, i will suggest some cards for each of them and maybe later on if you want we could look more into one or a mix of these strategies.
- Ruric Thar, the Unbowed This card is very very powerful. Expecially as the decks around you get more and more powerful and wanting to do more combo and storm bsaed strategies.
- Gruul Ragebeast A good way of keeping the board under control when you play your 'large and incharge' creatures
- Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger We have mana, they don't. Enough said really. Just beware that with this creature, sometines the adage If you can't remove the problem, remove the player can be applied to just killing you.
Other than ones recommended here, perhaps a good idea would be to use Gatherer or mtg.wtf to find elementals in your colour. Or cards which reference elementals in your colours, the example in wtf would be this
- Chandra, Acolyte of Flame can rebuy your ramp spells and can make elementals that will die to trigger Omnath.
- Chandra, Awakened Inferno A wrath that doesn't kill elementals and can provide a reasonable clock on the game with her uptick.
- Omnath, Locus of Mana Store mana for a rainy day. Or for hitting your opponents upside the head with it. Both work.
- Parallel Lives Double the tokens, double the elementals, double the damage. We like.
- Tornado Elemental clears out any things like Dragons, or Flying Slivers or similar. Also good at picking of planeswalkers as it has sudo unblockable.
- Liege of the Tangle we can go REALLY all in on making all our lands elementals and meaning that if someone wraths us we can basically kill everyone from Omnath triggers
- Budoka Gardener Ramp early game, big guys late game.
This deck idea might have elements that are closer to a combo deck than the others, but will still mostly be a midrange deck.
- Perilous Forays With your commander out this card is bonkers. But if we are making other elemental tokens too then we can truly get going somewhere
- Crucible of Worlds , Ramunap Excavator , Life from the Loam Allow you to play the lands from your graveyard after we have sacrificed them for effects. Also makes always hitting your lands drops easier if you are playing and sacrificing a fetch land
- Exploration , Azusa, Lost but Seeking , Oracle of Mul Daya all ways to play more lands per turn
- Cavalier of Flame can be card draw and synergizes with lands in graveyard. As well as being an elemental!
- Scapeshift lots of triggers all at once
- Splendid Reclamation if we are sacrificing lands then this gets them all back. Very good after a scapeshift
- Amulet of Vigor makes some of our ramp a lot more effective, while at the same time providing a good combo with Perilous Forays and Omnath, Locus of Rage Of recommendation if you run a lot of land recursion effects then other lands that sacrifice themselves might be worth it. Like Wasteland Strip Mine etc
I won't re-list the cuts recommeneded in the ramp section. I will be evaluating cuts in the assumption that the deck is wanting to be a combination of an elementals ramp deck and a lands value deck. A lot of these recomendations for cuts will have very similar reasonings, which I will elaborate on first to be able to be brief later on. These recommendations will possibly sound rather brutal, however I find that it makes it a lot easier to have too many cards that are on the cutting block rather than not enough.
- Too Slow. If the card takes too many turns to start pulling its weight then it could be replaced with something that does what we need sooner. This is common in cards which have 'at the beginning of your upkeep' effects as they will normally have to wait an entire turn cycle to start doing something. Enters the battlefield triggers or similar things that have an effect the turn you play them are often preferred.
- Too expensive. This should be self explanatory. If the card costs too much mana, especially if the same effect can be achieved for less mana then it should be exmined.
- Doesn't do enough. While the effect might be interesting and maybe something we actually want in the deck, The card just doesn't pull its weight in whatever role it is supposed to be doing
- Doesn't contribute to our game plan This might be a good card, maybe even a great card in other decks. But perhaps the effect just isn't one we need in this deck
- Cytoplast Root-Kin Too slow. Doesn't contribute to our game plan.
- Dragonmaster Outcast Too slow. Doesn't do enough
- Grazing Gladehart Doesn't do enough. While we like landfall triggers. The life gain is small enough to be negligable unless we are massrecycling all lands from our yard multiple times.
- Magmatic Force Too Slow.
- Magmaw Doens't contribute to our game plan / Doesn't Do enough. We can run other sac outlets if we want ways to sacrifice our elementals
- Scute Mob Possibly too slow. But I love me a scute mob so I'm fine with this staying in :D
- Spawnwrithe Doesn't do enough. However this one can stay in if you have found that you realistically get to connect with it at least twice to have four of them
- Tendershoot Dryad Doesn't contribute to our game plan. Though it is very good at gummin gup the board
- Tyrant of Discord Doesn't do enough. However if you change to having some ways to knock your opponents off of lands then the chances of this hitting multiple nonlands go up and its value does too. However there are enough control players where the onlything this will do is destroy a land at random
- Undergrowth Champion Deosn't do enough. It's got all the right keywords but thats about it
- Retreat to Kazandu Doesn't do enough. THe landfall idea is good, but putting 1 counter an a guy once or so a turn isn't worth the slot really
- Sword of the Animist Too Slow. We want this effect, but we aren't attacking multiple times in one turn so there are better effects to get lands from our deck. We don't neccessarily even have than many small creatures to equip this too to get it active early enough for the ramp to be that useful as ramp
- Animist's Awakening As much as i want this spell to ever be good. It's just not really at all.
- Journey of Discovery Too slow. For this to be actual search out ramp you need to entwine it which is then 6 mana. Any of the 4 mana double basics would be better here. Or just Explore type effects that cantrip too.
Turns out there is only slightly too much Nissa. (And not enough Chandra ;) ) All of the Nissas' contribute to our gameplan well except for Nissa, Voice of Zendikar . The general rule of Planeswalkers in commander is to assume that you will only get two activations if you are lucky. So with this one you will at best buff your team a little. Consider Garruk Wildspeaker instead maybe?
Other random Card Recommendations
- Boundless Realms All the rest of our lands from our deck? Yes please
- Sylvan Awakening We do this, then we overrun and nobody will be expecting it
- Genesis Wave As previously mentioned. It's the better Animist's Awakening
- The Mending of Dominaria More mass land recursion.
Well I hope some of this helped at least a little :)
2 weeks ago
Welcome to TappedOut :)
Nice start for a budget deck, but it needs more focus on Elementals. You're best cards here are not green they're red Chandra, Awakened Inferno and Cavalier of Flame . The problem is you've made a primary green deck and plugged your two best red cards into it which doesn't work. Both Chandra and especially Cavalier need lots of red in the manabase to support them, to cast them and you don't have this here.
A playable manabase is the hardest part of a deck to get right with such a low budget for this reason consider only one color? Either mono green or mono red? A mono colored deck only has to use one type of basic land therefore don't have to worry about playing dual lands for the second color. Since your two best cards here are red then consider mono red?
Obviously mono red will be a different deck than you have here and would require adding lots of budget red cards. Mono green wouldn't, but mono green wouldn't let you play Chandra or Cavalier. My advice is go with mono red since there's several good budget (less than $1 each) red Elementals in Modern to choose from: Smokebraider , Incandescent Soulstoke , Obsidian Fireheart .
For your current Gruul deck, if you don't like the idea of playing only one color, but wanting to keep two colors then focus on improving the manabase with more red sources. Add 4x Evolving Wilds , 2x Terramorphic Expanse , 1x more Gruul Guildgate or upgrade Guildgate to 4x Temple of Abandon ? The scry 1 is helpful when you play a dual land that ETB (enters the battlefield) tapped. Add Unclaimed Territory especially if you add more red Elementals since it can be make any color of mana to cast an Elemental.
Consider expanding on the Elemental strategy and less +1/+1 counters strategy? Consider building around the idea of ramp with Leafkin Druid and Smokebraider ? Grove Rumbler is a budget Elemental to considering ramping into. Rumbler is a creature to put counters on because it has trample and it gets a pump of power each time you play a land, +4/+4 until end of turn when you play and sac Evolving Wilds /Expanse in the same turn.
Smokebraider is the most powerful ramp creature for Elementals; it's budget and is an upgrade for Chandra's Embercat if using two colors. Incandescent Soulstoke is a budget anthem for Elementals and can cheat one onto the battlefield which has interaction with my next suggestion. Soul of the Harvest is a budget Elemental to ramp into and an upgrade for Vorstclaw and Wakeroot Elemental . A 6/6 with trample for six mana and it's ability to draw you a card whenever a nontoken creature you control ETB is good.
Cheat Soul onto the battlefield with Soulstoke for two mana; attack with a 7/7 Elemental with haste/trample. Not having to pay the six mana to cast Soul gives other mana to use to cast creatures to draw for the turn which is good with Smokebraider and Leafkin. The two mana that Smokebraider can make to cast an Elemental is good to ramp into Soul as well as can pay for Soulstroke or Cavalier of Flame 's activated abilities.
Example of budget ramp Gruul Elementals base (keeping several cards you already have):
- 4x Leafkin Druid
- 4x Smokebraider
- 4x Incandescent Soulstoke
- 4x Grove Rumbler
- 4x Soul of the Harvest
- 2x Chandra's Embercat
- 3x Pollenbright Druid
- 2x Overgrowth Elemental
- 1x Seed Guardian
- 1x Cavalier of Flame
- 1x Chandra, Awakened Inferno
- 5x empty spots for other cards.
The Elemental core of this example is:
- 4x Leafkin
- 4x Smokebraider
- 4x Soulstoke
- 4x Rumbler
- 4x Soul
Leafkin and Smokebraider are the ramp. Rumber and Soul are the creatures to ramp into.
Manabase for this example:
- 6x Forest
- 5x Mountain
- 4x Evolving Wilds
- 2x Terramorphic Expanse
- 4x Temple of Abandon
- 2x Unclaimed Territory
- 1x Flamekin Village : haste can be helpful, letting an Elemental attack the turn it ETB.
This example would add $10 to your current deck cost of $35. I offer more advice. Good luck with your deck.
2 weeks ago
Chandra, Awakened Inferno is an excellent card to consider.
I think Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion is an excellent source of card selection. You should consider it in conjunction with your current Neheb.
Krenko, Tin Street Kingpin seems like a good token-producer.
Stranglehold is a good stax-style enchantment.
2 weeks ago
moxxem yeah it seems to be much removal, but this is also the core of the deckidea, so I don't think that I will reduce them. Finale of Eternity worked quite well for me, like removing 3 small creatures, or something comparable. Most of the time I got the mana to do so and Cry of the Carnarium did not work, because most decks I see, use creatures with thoughness 1 or 3+ and I can cover that with other cards, while Cry of the Carnarium is dead in my hand. And as I don't focus on faceburn, I can on only trigger spectacle with Ill-Gotten Inheritance and Chandra, Awakened Inferno most of the time. So Drill Bit etc. seem to be nice, but won't work smooth for me... |||||||||||||||||||||||||--------------> The biggest problem of this deck seems to be, that I can't do anything about enchantments. Maybe I will have to change that after including Theater of Horrors .
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