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The Chain Veil
At the beginning of your end step, if you didn't activate a loyalty ability of a planeswalker this turn, you lose 2 life.
4, T: For each planeswalker you control, you may activate one of its loyalty abilities once this turn as though None of its loyalty abilities have been activated this turn.
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The Chain Veil Discussion
2 days ago
I will say that while it's not infinite, having done this in a superfriends commander deck every time I've gotten Teferi, Temporal Archmage + The Chain Veil it's been profitable enough to secure a win with other walkers if not just going infinite with such things as Contagion Engine + Everflowing Chalice, but this is getting more into deck construction advise than rules. And as said, if Teferi, Temporal Archmage is your commander it is actually infinite.
3 days ago
No it doesn't work and I have clearly shown the steps you would do below.
1) Use Teferi, Temporal Archmage's +1
2) Tap Thran Dynamo to add to your mana pool
3) Tap 2 lands to add to your mana pool
4) Use The Chain Veil's ability, paying for it with your
6) Tap 2 lands & Thran Dynamo to add to your mana pool.
7) Use The Chain Veil's ability, paying for it with your
8) Do option b or a
8a) Use Teferi, Temporal Archmage's +1 - You can't do anything more because everything is tapped
3 days ago
So I was looking up information on The Chain Veil and seeing in anyone has any combos and I found a combo that claims to go infinite but I am pretty sure doesn't. It says to run Teferi, Temporal Archmage with The Chain Veil and Thran Dynamo. It says you use Teferi, Temporal Archmage's +1, then activate The Chain Veil using a land and Thran Dynamo using your extra trigger to -1 Teferi and untap two lands, The Chain Veil and Thran Dynamo?
The reason I don't think it works is because you would need to copy The Chain Veil's ability to repeat both a +1 and a -1 but I wonder if I am mistaken. Cause otherwise you would eventually drain the loyalty counters from Teferi, Temporal Archmage
4 days ago
I plus Saheeli Rai, then I minus it making a Sun Titan. I minus it a third time copying Sun Titan, then use the copy to reanimate Saheeli Rai.
I plus Saheeli Rai, then I minus it making a Sun Titan. I minus it a third time, then use the copy to reanimate Saheeli Rai. I do this until all my opponent die to Saheeli's damage.
Does this combo work? Did I do anything against the rules?
1 week ago
Do you think that a card like The Chain Veil would fit in this deck? It has the benefit of allowing you to power up your Planeswalkers at twice the rate.
3 weeks ago
Cool deck! I would suggest The Chain Veil and cards like Jace, the Mind Sculptor or Ugin, the Spirit Dragon to go infinite with your commander as long as you can produce 6 mana off of 3 permanents. Also, a good counter spell suite is never a bad deal. You may look into Counterspell or Memory Lapse. Both are fairly inexpensive. Another one of my personal favorite blue cards is Chain of Vapor.
3 weeks ago
I just want to say that having looked at all of your lists, the fact that you're able to put together a full deck where, even if there's room for upgrades or other synergies/combos, there's a good balance of card/effect types and an obvious purpose for every card is really impressive. I'll definitely look forward to going through any lists you post from here out :)
I definitely get where you're coming from with Paradox Engine. It's like Doubling Season where it's so broken that it's hard to find cards that don't combo with it. Once you add it to a list, the end result is probably going to be pretty degenerate. I've definitely intentionally left it out of some lists for that reason.
One of the things that I like about it in Teferi is that a lot of things that you might do with Engine out are still decent plays when you don't have it since you still have the ability to untap a bunch of extra mana with Teferi. A lot of the cards that are just completely broken with Engine are still reasonable without it, which is workable.
Cyclonic Rift is definitely great in blue decks. Capsize, Time Elemental and Temporal Adept can all hit any permanent. I use them in Stax to pick up Stasis for a 1-sided lock, but you can also bounce lands, or even your own creatures to recycle ETB effects or blank removal. The creature-based bounces might be too cute outside of stax (even with Dismiss), but Capsize might be worth it.
If you really want to go insane with Teferi, The Chain Veil with the ability to get 5 mana from 3 permanents goes infinite. Activate veil to untap stuff, minus Teferi to untap veil and 3 lands, repeat until Teferi dies. Recast Teferi, plus until you only have 1 activation left, repeat. Draw entire deck, generate infinite mana, Blue Sun's Zenith all of your opponents to death.
I never pulled the trigger on running Chain Veil in my Teferi deck since a combo that only requires my commander and 1 card is a little too much for my meta. But if you're ever sitting down at a higher power table, you can side that in. With Long-Term Plans and Fabricate, you have quite a few changes to hit.