The Chain Veil

Legality

Format Legality
Tiny Leaders Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Modern Legal
Custom Legal
Leviathan Legal
Legacy Legal
Frontier Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Unformat Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Set Rarity
Magic 2015 (M15) Mythic Rare

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The Chain Veil

Legendary Artifact

At the beginning of your end step, if you didn't activate a loyalty ability of a planeswalker this turn, you lose 2 life.

{4}, {T}: For each planeswalker you control, you may activate one of its loyalty abilities once this turn as though None of its loyalty abilities have been activated this turn.

The Chain Veil Discussion

carpecanum on Estrid EDH

14 hours ago

I'd probably take out Solemnity unless your meta has a lot of counters or infect going on. You have a TON of ramp enchantments as well so i'd feel comfortable going down one or two lands. The Chain Veil will just end up hurting you if you can't pillow fort up.

What is your win-con? If it's creature damage maybe something like Aspect of Mongoose would help your creatures stay alive longer since you only have a few. There is actually a whole cycle of enchantments that return to your hand like that (3 per color i think). Launch and Spirit Loop are the only others that come to mind though.

Collective Restraint could add to your pillow fort cards and the appropriate gods could give you burly creatures (Thasa, Nylea, Heliod etc but they don't cause thing to untap from Estrid's +2 i guess ). The gods are getting kind of pricey though.

mazrimtaim on H: Binder W: grixis EDH

5 days ago

I'm looking to build a grixis superfriends deck and am looking for these cards. I have just updated my binder with everything I currently have.

Wants

Valuable Haves

the rest is in my binder

rob_shifflett on Oops... ALL PLANESWALKERS!!

1 week ago

I am doing something similar. I included some things that say "Planeswalker" in the rules text. I also included all signets, talismans and a sol ring. Leaving my numbers as such. Cromat . 39lands. 16ramp. 5nonPW. 39PW. I couldn't do without my rocks or the 3 best oaths or The Elderspell or The Chain Veil . Doing nothing turn 2 and possibly 3 is going to feel BAD and get old, real quick.

SynergyBuild on Tezzeret/Thoughtcast Affinity

1 week ago

Mind if I join you on the tier list? I've considered making one.

So far the best variant has been:


Saheeli Storm

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The other best lists I have seen in the format are:

Narset, Parter of Veils / Timetwister (with some variants running Windfall instead)

Jace, Wielder of Mysteries / Paradigm Shift

Tezzeret the Seeker / Thoughtcast (Use Tezzeret to fetch Aetherflux Reservoir , but there are some variants that use Clockspinning with it and fetch Paradox Engine , or variants of The Chain Veil combo, idk.)


Past that, a tier 2 would be:

Aminatou, the Fateshifter / Demonic Tutor / Mystical Tutor / Vampiric Tutor (hard permission control)

Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast / Divergent Transformations (Kiki+Conscripts in deck with no other creatures, so you flip the tokens into the combo.)

PhotogenicParasympathetic on Quest to 30 Walkers. And ...

1 week ago

Credentials: I've been playing superfriends in EDH for years, beginning with an esper SF deck helmed by Oloro, Ageless Ascetic , then adding green with the release of Atraxa, Praetors' Voice . I've played with most of the walkers currently in your deck, either in my own EDH deck or in other formats. In addition, I enjoy building and critiquing EDH decks of all varieties and strive to always be as creative as possible in my builds. These are my suggestions for your cuts:

Aminatou, the Fateshifter doesn't synergize with anything in your deck, and is remarkably underpowered unless she'd built around.

You don't have enough creatures and your deck isn't aggressive enough to care about Angrath, Captain of Chaos , Dovin, Grand Arbiter , Jiang Yanggu , or Serra the Benevolent . None of them help your planeswalker theme. None of them are powerful enough in a vacuum to warrant their inclusion.

You don't have an artifact sideboard for Karn, the Great Creator and you don't care about making things into mostly 1/1 to 3/3 creatures. You have only three artifacts in the deck that become larger than 3/3, and only one that becomes larger than 4/4, and all of your artifacts are better spent being artifacts than being creatures.

Kaya, Bane of the Dead is too expensive for what's basically just removal, and limited to creature removal at that.

Tamiyo, Collector of Tales is a more expensive Eternal Witness , you'll almost never hit with her +1, and her static effect protects you from only two cards that can make you sacrifice planeswalkers (aside from annihilator triggers).

Jace, the Mind Sculptor and Chandra, Torch of Defiance are both very strong in formats that are not EDH. Neither is very strong in EDH, and while Chandra can sometimes sneak in as card draw in mono-red or red-black decks, you've got access to better options. Jace is most of the time a too-expensive brainstorm in this format, and will almost never ult (and if he does... you've won already with any number of other planeswalkers). Neither is worth running in superfriends.

After those, we start getting to the harder cuts - these are walkers that I think could be deserving of a slot in the right circumstances, but that just aren't as powerful as some of the other inclusions you've already got - Dovin Baan is good card draw, but not much else. Ashiok, Dream Render 's lack of repeatability makes him weaker. Sorin Markov is scary, but unless you're getting aggressive... does it really matter what your opponent's life total is? Angrath, the Flame-Chained is neat. He is. He's just not... superfriendsy. He doesn't get more walkers. He doesn't strengthen the walkers you have. He doesn't protect the walkers you have, except from weaker creatures.

That's 14 cuts, brings you to 32. For the last two, pick out the top ten planeswalkers, ten that you'd never even consider cutting, and set them aside. Then look at the remaining 22, and pick out five more that you definitely want to keep, and set them aside. Then forget that you have those 15, and pretend the 17 in front of you are all you've got, and build the most powerful 15-walker set you can.

Final thoughts; your infinite combo idea is cool. But does it belong in this deck? Most superfriends decks are focused in one direction - getting out and using planeswalkers. Adding in a secondary combo will not make your deck stronger - just less focused. If you want combos to finish the game, you've already got The Chain Veil + Rings of Brighthearth + Tezzeret the Seeker + Mana Vault for infinite planeswalker activations (and infinite mana if you've got another mana rock in play). Add in Gilded Lotus for more consistency, and you're good to go.

SilvyrDragon97 on The Misfits

2 weeks ago

No The Chain Veil in this deck?

BMHKain on 1000% Spark Storm (EDH Superfriends Primer)

2 weeks ago

Conjecture: Some walkers are awesome even w/o Ults. Nahiri, the Harbinger has Rummaging, & can exile stuff on the spot. Why Stony Silence ? That would actually encourage me to keep Garruk Wildspeaker in; besides, his first ability has lots of mana advantage. Tamiyo, Collector of Tales is pretty much Sigarda, Host of Herons in a Walker, but sure. I'll ditch the (Pay tribute to a dead walker) idea at least. I guess there are no good Gideons at all... Also, saying "No" to the new Saheeli is insane. Since you stated this deck doesn't have enough creatures, she is only made better as of this. But why Stony Silence over Karn, the Great Creator of Argentum? His First non-static ability allows you to target UP TO 1 Artifact to become a creature. You could get that loyalty for FREE if you wanted. All w/o needing to change anything. Sorry, but I dunno why Stony Silence over him.

Based on what you are assuming, though... these next cards would be what should be cut next:

Jiang Yanggu, Wildcrafter : He's only in there for my CMDR; which relies on infinite Combat phases, & Jiang only needs 5 mana to make this work. If I switched to Sliver Queen again, he's at least cut worthy, unless, I find an infinite loop for creation of her kin, & Yanggu #2's Static Ability. So he's not exactly out just yet.

Kaya, Bane of the Dead (& Kaya, Ghost Assassin too?): Just because something like her as a 6-drop should be cut is odd. This Kaya basically forces your opponents to use Shroud instead; & that's the only flaw I had w/ her. Even now though, Shroud is obsolete; in a game where Hexproof is superior, & no cards ever talk about Shroud ever again, a big drop like her, probably is for the best to keep. But Kaya #1? I already have way have ways enough to permit cutting her. That said, I still need more ways to use Flicker cards & effects in this deck. Venser, the Sojourner is affably bad here, & I still need alternatives besides Aminatou, the Fateshifter + Felidar Guardian … For now though, Kaya #1 will be cut.

Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner : It's not like I'll have a 4/4 being ready to be cast at any point. She does, however, untap target permanent. How should I use this feeble effect? Remember, I still have Saheeli, Sublime Artificer , & Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast (Shocked you stated to keep this one.); I have so many infinite combos here that I'd rather cut The Chain Veil because of this. How do I make them work?

Ugin, the Ineffable : Uh... Karn Liberated has a better Spot removal ability? Sure, putting a cheap cost of your colorless stuff is fun, but I'd rather use Ugin #1 over this.

I dunno about your opinion on all these, but that's what I got for now. I'll see if I can find anything else worth chopping...

Cypher35 on CHEAP Niv-Mizzet’s Friends

3 weeks ago

I like that this deck is cheap! some cards that i suggest if you decide to upgrade:

Obvious ones: The Chain Veil , all the oaths, Doubling Season , Pir, Imaginative Rascal

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The Chain Veil occurrence in decks from the last year

Commander / EDH:

All decks: 0.02%

Blue: 0.16%