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Savage Twister deals X damage to each creature.
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Savage Twister Discussion
2 weeks ago
1 month ago
So, Dragons cost a lot. They are very expensive. They also see a ton of removal if able. Because of this, in my experience, you want enough Dragons to sustain the brutal attacks that will be made against you. However, you also need a means to get them out onto the field.
You want to look for Dragons that act like Sorcery cards. That is to say, a Dragon that benefits you other then just being a 4/4 flyer.
Cards like Glorybringer and the new Demanding Dragon are beautiful examples. They force extra hurt for their cost. This means your resources aren't diminished for nothing. Even if your opponent kills the Dragon, you at least got something out of it for your effort.
Along with these, Scourge of Valkas is an amazing and brutal beast, especially when paired with Dragon Tempest. You need to pay attention to the wording because I've seen people miss this, myself included. EACH of your Dragons will be dealing X damage, where X is the TOTAL number of Dragons your control.
I've seen players think that since one Dragon entered, and they had three already out, then 4 total damage is being dealt. This is because ONE Dragon entered, and it deals damage equal to the number of Dragons you control. This is correct. But if you have two Dragons enter together, BOTH of those are going to be dealing X damage.
The Dragon that entered is the one dealing the damage, not Scourge and not Dragon Tempest. Be careful of that. It could win you a game without you realizing it.
Aside from those massive cannons, a really good Dragon is Utvara Hellkite, but it's a bit of a trap card. Only run 1 in a deck because it costs 8 to play and you won't benefit unless you have enough Dragons to make it worth while. Combo'd with Scourge / Tempest and you run a serious powerhouse.
As for protection, Destructor Dragon is great. As a 4/4 Flyer, in my experience, if an opponent does not have removal it acts as a deterrent similarly to Phyrexian Obliterator. That is to say, if they attack and they kill it, you punish them. Note that it does say noncreature, which a lot of people look at and think it sucks. But the real hidden power here is that by saying nonCREATURE, LANDS can be targeted instead.
Ryusei, the Falling Star also acts as a powerful deterrent. If they kill it, they can potentially wipe themselves out.
Another beautiful Dragon that'll piss off anyone is Dragon Broodmother. I'll get more into her in a moment.
But all of this means nothing if you can't get any of them into play. That's where the beauty of the Gruul Dragon decks comes in.
Gruul Dragons wants to, ultimately, do three things. Ramp, burn, and swing. But you only have so many cards to do it with? So how do you balance these?
Here's how: Dragons that act like Sorceries.
You're going to want a playset of the following:
Birds will give you access to either color immediately. GS will give you and if spent on a creature, that creature gains Haste. and DLS reduces costs by .
Now, here's the REALLY fun part! Generator Servant's mana can be spent on TWO different creatures! You can do and , and BOTH of them gain Haste! :D
If you have a GS out on the field and two in your hand with in mana you can use, you could literally sac GS, gain , tap , and pay out as and and sac those two immediately for .
Let me explain to you just how insanely fast this design can ramp. I do it all the time. Gruul Dragons is my favorite deck of all.
- T1: Forest, Birds
- T2: Mountain, GS
- T3: Land, tap all 3 lands, tap Birds, sac GS, play Savage Ventmaw, swing for 4, add , play Xenagos, the Reveler for , +1, add for Birds & Ventmaw, float the additional left over from Ventmaw's cost, cast something else like, say oh I don't know, Dragon Egg, target with Infernal Plunge, kill Egg, get a 2/2 Token, add , play something else.
Gruul Dragon's is an insanely complex combo ramp & burn deck that catches everyone off guard. But you need to balance what cards do with how they interact.
Glorybringer and Demanding Dragon are cards you'll only want 2x of each, with 1x of each in your sideboard so you can flex as needed. This'll protect you against things like Meddling Mage and, God forbid, Surgical Extraction.
Hellkite Charger nets you additional combat phases, which is sweet. A single Birds of Paradise + Savage Ventmaw = extra combat phase. There's other combos for INFINITE COMBAT PHASES, such as 2x Savage Ventmaws or even a Savage Ventmaw + Grand Warlord Radha. Don't use Radha, Heir to Keld as she must attack to get the mana and if she is blocked and killed, your combo ends.
Bleh. This is a lot. Wow.
So all of this mana and what can you spend it on??
You're up in the air. Just go over everything and hit for tons of damage, then replenish your resources with the mana you've acquired each turn.
You'll want to play hyper aggressively. Swing, even if you don't want to. Force your opponent to block. Clear their board because you'll always be able to rebuild yours. Explore, Explosive Vegetation, and Khalni Heart Expedition and what your filler cards will be. Things of those natures.
There's other tricks like how to get insane amounts of life, as well. But I think this is enough to set you off on the right path :)
Good luck! Seriously, Gruul Dragons is my #1 favorite deck of all time. <3
5 months ago
I haven't played with or against a Gruul deck in EDH before, but this looks like it'd make for a fun game (+1).
I've got 2 suggestions for your removal package (don't know if they're worth it):
Decimate- Might not work well if there's way too much removal in your playgroup since you need targets.
Starstorm/Savage Twister- Not quite as good at destroying everything as Blasphemous Act, but those could give your bigger creatures a one sided advantage.
8 months ago
Before I say anything else, take the Blunt the Assaults out of there. Fog-like effects are only necessary in decks based around it and Isochron Scepter. If you're in a position in which you need a spell like that, I'd recommend Arachnogenesis. I would suggest cutting the "one-ofs" for the sake of consistency, though I'm not too sure about your budget. Eternal Witness instead of Greenwarden of Marusa, though I like the warden, up to you. I'd take out Magma Phoenix and Purphoros, God of the Forge. Blasphemous Act kills all your shit, Savage Twister might work better in here. Signal the Clans or Worldly Tutor for getting stuff.
Night Soil isn't necessary. If you want something to get rid of graveyards, go with Relic of Progenitus or Grafdigger's Cage. I wouldn't recommend having Primal Surge in here since you have 18 non-permanent spells, but if it works... I'd also advise more ramp; instead of stuff that enchants your lands to get more mana, get more lands. Stuff like Kadoma's Reach, Cultivate, Rampant Growth. Maybe Temple of the False God or Sol Ring (not Modern legal). Draw spells like Explore or Life's Legacy. Sorry for the disorganization, good luck and shit
1 year ago
1 year ago
Cheap mass removal options
1 year ago
Ok, Round 2.
So you want to build a classic Timmy deck and ramp up to big creatures, and kill with big creatures. Seems like a solid strategy. Here are my suggestions.
First, go all in on land ramp or creature ramp.
With land ramp, cards such as Explosive Vegetation, Explore, and Cultivate are your best friends. If you are doing this you'll need to run a land count that is roughly around 25-28 lands, in order to facilitate you pulling them all out of your deck. You will then want up to 1/6th of your deck to be payoff cards. (Based off of a quick look at a typical tron deck). Creatures such as Rubblehulk and Zendikar Incarnate get tons of value off of the higher land count. Ground Assault can be a powerful removal spell provided you have enough lands. Savage Twister can also be used as a boardwipe, that you can control the strength of. Rampaging Baloths is also a card that can seal the game for you. And one swing off of Baloth Woodcrasher after an explosive vegetation can mean lethal.
Creature ramp on the other hand is a little different. You can play less lands, up to 22-24, as long as you are playing enough 1 mana dorks. An interesting thing to note about 1 mana dorks is how they speed up your gameplan. If you play a dork on turn 1, then on turn 2 you will have 3 mana, essentially gaining a turn over your opponent. If you play a dork again, on turn 3 you should have 5 mana. (Assuming you are hitting your land drops). In this case cards such as Explosive Vegetation aren't as good, because you won't be able to play in on turn 2, and on turn 3 casting it will leave you with one unused mana. So you want to build the curve of your deck so that it takes advantage of this by having a turn 1 dork such as Llanowar Elves, a turn 2 dork that costs 3 such as Greenweaver Druid, and on turn 3 play a six drop such as Terra Stomper or Soul of the Harvest. (By the way, this same principle applies to the land deck because Cultivate will get you to 5 mana on turn 4, and Explosive Vegetation will get you to 6.) I would also recommend making this deck mono colored, and use your removal in cards such as Prey Upon.
The third option is to go full on Tron. The urza cycle of Tron lands can get you to 6 mana on turn 3 with just the lands. It is all colorless mana however. Tron is a very powerful deck arcehtype, and is even Pauper legal. Here's a pauper list that might give you ideas on how you could do something similar if you decided to go down that route. https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/pauper-temur-tron-22406#online
There are a lot of different ways to take this deck, but the important part is deciding on where you are going to take it and sticking with it. You can have mana dorks in your lands list but it might not run as well, and vice versa for anything else. You have to choose what you want and work to narrow it down into something that is cohesive. Good luck with your deck, and let me know which route you take! I might end up making the other list haha!
Remember, you can always order your list online. Most of the cards in this strategy should be fairly cheap, and shouldn't break the budget.
1 year ago
Hey, thanks for the advice. I don't think Savage Ventmaw would work in my deck though because I need the mana before casting Dragonstorm and getting all my dragons out. Idk, maybe it could let me do some cool stuff after the dragons come out, such as cast Crucible of Fire or an instant or something. Since I'm using Dragonstorm, I don't think Dragonspeaker Shaman or Dragonlord's Servant are useful either; I'm not casting Dragon spells from my hand. The three green cards you listed after those would be good though; I'll see if I can fit them into my deck as a defensive measure. However, I'm already over the 60 card target, so idk what I'd swap them out with.
I recently talked with a friend about the deck and decided to add Sakura-Tribe Elder and Birds of Paradise as creatures that can ramp mana and can chump block early-game maneuvers if need be. I added 6 of them total. I might put Permeating Mass in the sideboard or something because of its very low mana cost though, I'll think about it, but it doesn't really have any effect that helps the main goal of the deck, it only functions as a protector.
The thing about the black is that I am also looking to have Thoughtseize and Diabolic Tutor in my sideboard and I feel like Crux of Fate is the most worth it out of all the board sweeper cards--5 mana to get a guaranteed kill on any creature I don't control. For the same amount of mana I would be able to do only 3 dmg across the board using Savage Twister and Blasphemous Act requires 6 creatures already out on the board. But do you think having some Blood Crypts/Dragonskull Summits will be enough to enable me to play those cards when I need to? Kaarthus is no issue because, again, I'm planning to retrieve him using a card that requires only 1 red. I think the best strategy here might be to run some Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoths in the deck so that I have that black mana when I need it. What do you think?