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Saltcrusted Steppe Discussion
1 month ago
I think your deck looks fine. Some of the best cards in your deck are Duelist's Heritage, Faerie Artisans, and Birthing Pod. Duelist's Heritage is like a better propoganda in my opinion, because it still incentives your opponents to attack elsewhere because they get more damage in and they think it was their idea. Faerie Artisans is fantastic because a ton of creatures in EDH have valuable ETB triggers, and also produces value outside of your GWU colors. Birthing Pod is the probably the best card in an optimized deck. I've seen a BUG deck built around it, and a cEDH deck built around it and Blood Moon. I've also seen the top voted Derevi decks on tappedout use Birthing Pod and Yisan Wandering Bard, so it's extremely popular. I think it's because those pilots have early stax pieces and ramp pieces like Arbor Elf, Ethersworn Canonist, etc. So if you're considering making your deck more competitive, I would add tutors/protection for Birthing Pod, and more 1-drop elves that can also make Derevi triggers by attacking, but I think your ramp pieces are fine. It's a good thing that you're pretty much done setting up with ramp pieces at turn 2.
I know you're concerned about more hatebears and stax, but I think Derevi is the commander that can properly pull it off. Derevi can be reliably cast for four mana and not be countered, and you already have some counterspells to stop any board wipes so you would've have to replace many cards to protect them. I still didn't have the stax theme in my Derevi deck for the aforementioned reasons, and because Winter Orb is not permitted in the casual EDH social contract haha, so I wouldn't be the person to talk to for that. And by glancing at your deck, I don't think Mirror Entity is good, but I do think Loyal Drake and Aven Mindcensor are good. Mirror Entity is fine because Derevi can pull off big mana plays and favors a wide combat strategy, but creature has to already deal damage for Derevi to trigger, so all the Derevi-supported mana can't go through Mirror Entity like I assume you want it to. Aven Mindcensor is great for obvious reasons and is evasive. Loyal Drake is a practically a Phyrexian Arena but on a body, and favors a commander that can be reliably cast I like the touch of graveyard hate you put in with Scavenging Ooze, so I thought I should also mention Remorseful Cleric which is evasive. Also consider Tetsuko Umezawa, Fugitive, especially if you're including the 1-drop elves. I don't see the value in having Opposition because the commander can be reliably cast. I think Sigil Tracer is also a weaker card, because although you can always cast a wizard (Derevi), it only supports 14 spells, and only 6 spells if you take away counterspells and board wipes. Bident of Thassa is fantastic in your deck, especially because it clears the combat map. Your manabase looks fine too, and I thought I should mention Tolaria West, Saltcrusted Steppe, and Calciform Pools, because mana storage in Derevi is great. I hope this helps!
2 months ago
Thanks for the suggestion MurderForBrunch, I didn't think about Imprisoned in the Moon. I'm going to organize my enchantment pretty soon. For Merciless Eviction, it's a great card, but I want to test a new card from the commander 18 edition first.
Now the new change:
2 months ago
I agree with the manafixing and card draw comments above.
Anyhow, I like the perfect mana-curve. This is a very solid start.
So 1st I want to say Renegade Krasis just to put that out there, and here's some card draw I think you might find interesting:
Steady Progress, Tezzeret's Gambit, Private Research, and Sunset Pyramid
You might also like these storage lands for proliferate->ramp shenanigans:
Dreadship Reef, Calciform Pools, and Saltcrusted Steppe
3 months ago
Ah it's good to see that you have built an Atraxa, Praetors' Voice decklist, and one that is more unique than most (even mine admittedly). I use to include all the praetors in mine for the flavor as well as a bit of infect, but my Atraxa deck paints a big enough target on me at my lgs without those kind of cards as people have seen what it is capable of. I have games turn into essentially archenemy at times. I'm still undecided on the direction of the deck ultimately but it's already my most expensive edh deck. But enough talk of my list, here are some suggestions to consider:
(LANDS) Sea of Clouds in place of an Island, Morphic Pool in place of a Swamp, then cut maybe Manifold Insights for another land like Bountiful Promenade as I think your land count is a bit low. Other changes I would make would be to add an Inkmoth Nexus, and a Reliquary Tower. Inkmoth Nexus has evasion and if your goal is to win with infect you will want as much early game cards as you can to get early poison counters in. I would take out Saltcrusted Steppe for Inkmoth Nexus, and then cut Steady Progress (You already have better ways to proliferate, a number of which are repeatable unlike this one, maybe i'm wrong on this one but I think there's better cards you could have over it here) for Reliquary Tower (while this may not be relevant that often, look at how many cards Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur nets you if he sticks around and you will notice you have no way to have an unlimited hand size). And since you happen to have quite a few sources of proliferate, it might not be a bad idea to put Gavony Township in here to help your creatures out since so many on their own are quite weak.
(CREATURES) I would swap Corpse Cur for Phyrexian Swarmlord, as I don't really see many good targets for infect creatures to bring back outside of course Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon. Viridian Corrupter might be another infect creature you might want to consider using, I have to say spots are looking tight for me to suggest cuts for some cards but I think for this one I would swap Putrefy for this additional infect creature.
Additionally, while I see that you aren't concerned really with +1/+1 counters I still think Champion of Lambholt might be worth consideration for helping to get infect creatures through for even as much as an outright kill. For other aggressive options, you could go the route of Blightsteel Colossus which can simply kill players (It's kind of pricey, but i'm not sure if that's a concern for you). If you were to use this card however, you would want to make sure it's protected from the likes of your Swords to Plowshares etc with Lightning Greaves, Asceticism, Whispersilk Cloak or even additionally with Conqueror's Flail which I talk about more later. Putrefax is kind of similar if even not as strong, and perhaps this kind of strategy can pay off well with the use of equipment and maybe even some pump spells if we were to take inspiration from modern/legacy infect lists?
They rely on taking usually 1-2 infect creatures and pumping them up with cards like Berserk, Become Immense, Vines of Vastwood, Invigorate, Groundswell, Blossoming Defense etc to go for a kill, and while some of these might not seem as effective here in commander, I still think a couple like Berserk and Become Immense are worth using because I already see you have Rancor here and these can help get around the fact that many infect creatures are quite weak on their own. And on that topic of infect creatures being generally frail, a few cards that you could consider using here to solve that would be Teferi's Protection, Spellskite(great for taking removal off your more important creatures), and or Heroic Intervention. A few other cards that modern infect lists make use of from time to time are Distortion Strike, Apostle's Blessing, and then of course the staple Noble Hierarch and Pendelhaven. As I said before the general gameplan with such decks is to attack with generally 1 or so infect creatures and back them up with pump spells like those and more mentioned above, and that's where Noble Hierarch and Pendelhaven (pairs well with Glistener Elf, Blighted Agent, Plague Stinger, Inkmoth Nexus and the like) give the attacker a boost to kill outright in as early as turns 2-4. A few cards that might help with this route would be Duelist's Heritage, the previously mentioned Champion of Lambholt, Spinebiter, Apostle's Blessing (can be used for offense or defense), and Slip Through Space. And I see you have a couple counterspells here, and so maybe this is foolish enough to work, but I think you should consider using Hatred here. It can be put either obviously on an infect creature that is not being blocked/can't be blocked (many good targets would be Blighted Agent, Inkmoth Nexus, Putrefax provided you added it of course) or any other evasive creature or what may not at first be obvious to be used on your commander, because ask yourself how many players early on/mid game are going to stop you from attacking them say maybe 1-2 times with Atraxa, Praetors' Voice who is a 4/4 deathtouch/flying/vigilance creature? What you can do with this is pay all of that life to simply kill someone with Atraxa and then gain all that life back :)
While maybe I fear a bit redundant similarly to Grafted Exoskeleton, Triumph of the Hordes is a card that maybe you have overlooked here. The trample can be very useful for getting damage through and I would probably want to play a card like this over Praetor's Grasp, Wargate, or Viridian Longbow possibly? I have to say that I agree with FiveEightFiveBC's observation about Grafted Exoskeleton, I think if you want to stick with equipment that is yet better, either use Sword of Feast and Famine/Sword of Light and Shadow or something like Conqueror's Flail. I could see stacking a bunch of equipment and using stuff like Hatred, Duelist's Heritage, Become Immense, Glistening Oil, Fireshrieker, Sword of Vengeance, and such just on your commander as a legitimate gameplan also with or without infect.
Lastly, similarly to my earlier suggested Gavony Township, I was curious if your opposed to the inclusion of any planeswalkers here? Because I believe Nissa, Voice of Zendikar could do well here. Others to consider would be Ajani Steadfast, and Venser, the Sojourner. You wouldn't even have to go far with this, as too much and you start to change the theme of the deck, but these few that I highlighted might be of use to you here I thought with or without the likes of Doubling Season, and all the other obvious things that you would use with planeswalkers.
I will try to think of more suggestions, but I think this is enough for now to say the least as I will let you know I spent about 75 minutes in all coming up with all of this so far I think! Let me know what you think of all of this, as I know I suggested a ton of things and not all of which did I havsuggestions on what to replace them with. On a side note, I have to say i'm a bit jealous, do you happen to actually have a specific copy of that judge promo Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite?
3 months ago
So, after looking at your landbase I have some suggestions. Since you're running Atraxa you have the unique opportunity to take advantage of Proliferate. Some lands that may be of use to you are the TimeSpiral Storage Lands, aka: Calciform Pools, Dreadship Reef, and Saltcrusted Steppe. Then to support your proliferation madness you could use Mage-Ring Network, Gemstone Mine (because you could just keep proliferating the counters on it, making it punishment free), and Mirrodin's Core. To make room, i'd try and cut your manabase down to around 33 lands. I would probably cut some of the Check Lands, but I would definitely cut Krosan Verge for one of the previously mentioned mentioned cards I suggested.
Also, for the love of everything sane and holy why on earth are you running Mu Yanling?! Wizards even admitted that the cards from that set were made to be intentionally unplayable. The proof is from: Creating Global Series:JIANG YANGGU & MU YANLING:
Now, to properly set expectations: these are essentially special Planeswalker Decks for a Chinese audience. Despite the fact that they are packaged together, I would suggest thinking of them as Planeswalker Decks, not Duel Decks.
Planeswalker decks were purposefully watered down, a product that had little to offer more experienced players. Sorry for the rant, but all i'm trying to say is that you have much better options than Mu Yanling. Try Aminatou, the Fateshifter...just anything but that.
On an additional note, you could also run As Foretold because Atraxa can get that count up very high very quickly. 2 counters every turn (your upkeep + endstep) means you could pop out a free planeswalker on your turn, tap out, and still be able to play responses during other players turns (it says "Once EACH turn", not "Once on your turn") so that would be something to take advantage of.
I think i'll cut myself off here...I have a few more thoughts regarding your deck but i'll playtest it a bit more before I comment again. Good stuff so far though!
4 months ago
Have you considered Vorel of the Hull Clade combined with my other suggestions? Ramos, Dragon Engine ; Doubling Cube; Master Transmuter, Composite Golem, Phyrexian Reclamation, and the Talismans (Talisman of Dominance, Talisman of Progress, Talisman of Unity, Talisman of Impulse, Talisman of Indulgence. With Vorel you could also include Gyre Sage. Using Vorel to double the counters on Ramos and Gyre Sage. You could also storage lands like Calciform Pools, Dreadship Reef, Molten Slagheap, Fungal Reaches, Saltcrusted Steppe, Mage-Ring Network, and/or Mirrodin's Core along with a card that transforms lands into a creature, doesn't matter if it's permanent or just temporary, to have Vorel double the number of counters on them while they are creatures. I do this in my Atraxa, Praetors' Voice and it works magic for me. If you're worried about any of these engine cards being limited just add tutors.
Side Note: I totally use Wasteland, Strip Mine, Crucible of Worlds, Ramunap Excavator , Exploration, and Burgeoning in my Glissa, the Traitor EDH deck and those cards are savage together. highly recommend trying them out together in a deck.
8 months ago
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