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Dreadship Reef Discussion
3 days ago
No vivid cycle? (Vivid Meadow for example?)
1 week ago
Merchant Ship??? for our pirates to rob
Any of the new pirate ship vehicles
And don't forget to add our previous pirate friends, Ramirez DePietro, Kari Zev, Skyship Raider/Skyship Plunderer, Talas Air Ship, Talas Merchant and the rest of the Talas errata'd to pirates. Skeleton Ship, Pirate Ship, Rishadan Footpad, Rishadan Brigand, Rishadan Cutpurse.
1 month ago
I'm also working on an atraxa angel tribal. A few things ive found that might help your deck:
Enchantments:Cradle of Vitality will help you throw alot of counters on your angels making them even bigger threats that will only grow bigger with Atraxa.
Angelic Accord since you can gain at least 4 life every time you deal damage with Atraxa you can throw down some mean angel tokens. There is also the better known Luminarch Ascension but that is a huge target. Your running decent protection though so may work for you. My favorite is Entreat the Angels cast it for Its miracle cost and just sweep the board with angels. These are obviously all weak to board wipes which the rest of your deck seems to benefit from so I could see you not including these but I find them great since most angels cost so much mana.
Duelist's Heritage can really help you hit for crazy damage with any of your bigger angels.
Cathars' Crusade I'm sure you have already considered this and I know the deck isnt built around Atraxas proliferate but I feel Angels are just meant to have counters placed on them to truly dominate the skies over dragons and other big creatures. Pair this card with one of the token generators I mentioned above plus Atraxa and you will have some serious threats.
I have found Frontier Siege useful in helping with mana. You also get the option to use your flyers to take out your opponents blockers and other pesky creatures without using up your control cards or risky combat. Its sister card Citadel Siege helps either throw more counters on angels or tap down blockers (or the scary Eldrazi eyeing you across the table).
Removal:I dont know many good ones that arent in white (and you have more than enough cards running white) but I will still recommend a half white card Sylvan Reclamation because of the options to exile stuff or landcylcle. And in 4 colors, you need dem lands.
Recursion:You have most of the best ones so I can only suggest Necromantic Summons since you get more counters to exploit. The high manna cost weighs against it compared to your cheaper options so this is definitely a 50/50.
Card draw:I definitely recommend you get at least 3-5 more card draw cards since that's a big game decider often in EDH. There are too many good ones to list here but I will say Brilliant Spectrum since you have 4 colors (though there are many cards that will let you draw that many cards without discarding that are more expensive) and Tezzeret's Gambit since proliferating is important for those mana rocks and lands with counters on them. Mana is huge in an angel deck. Speaking of which...
Mana Ramp:There are the obvious green ramp spells like Cultivate and Rampant Growth (personally I go with Map the Wastes for that bolster counter) and I recommend any of them if You can since 4 color decks need help with the mana base. Having Astral Cornucopia is a great choice, but you should also swing Everflowing Chalice since it does the same with colorless mana. Mana is really important in a deck with so many high costing creatures, even if your cheating them out alot with reanimation cards. Also lands like Dreadship Reef that can be proliferated. If you have room for it, I find Alchemist's Refuge useful for flashing in big angels as blockers or on my opponents end step so I get to attack with it on my turn without it risking being removed off the board (angels are big targets after all).
Cards to remove: Avacyn, Angel of Hope and Akroma, Angel of Wrath are very good angels, but their very high mana cost combined with them having 3 white in the casting cost really hurts in a 4 color deck. Cards like reanimation do help you cheat them out, but you aren't going to be able to do that often enough to balance it out. If you dont run into a mana problem when you play the deck however then they are fine additions.
Sublime Archangel very good angel but maybe not good in this deck since you may not ever have more than 3 or 4 angels out at once and you will want to be able to attack with all of them.
Sigarda, Host of Herons also a great angel, but since you have so much graveyard recursion, may not be the worst thing to have to sacrifice them. She is amazing still though and only take her out if you have nothing else to take out and you have an even better angel to replace her with.Fractured Identity I like this card a lot but doesnt seem to have anything to do with the deck. Maybe replace it with something like Crackling Counterpart? Then you have 2-3 awesome versions of one of your own angels.
I hope this was helpful. Angels are what got me into commander and are my absolute favorite type of card. Atraxa is perfect for filling in the weak points of an angel deck and is an amazing commander. Flavor is also extremely important to me when I build decks and you have alot of it in yours which is good to see. Atraxa is the single most popular commander in EDH right now and with good reason, but with all the proliferate and infect decks people are making you can swing in out of no where with angels and just wreck people. Now go destroy everyone with the best creature type in the game!
1 month ago
Do you get land screwed, color screwed or unable to play cards a lot of the time because lack of mana production? The Avg. CMC for this deck is 4.6, that's really high without playing any ramp. No Sol Ring? I'm kind of confused, do you not like ramp in Commander? Some of your Planeswalkers can ramp, but that doesn't help you if you can't play them.
My suggestions are to add ramp and improve the manabase by cutting a large portion of the come into play tapped dual lands. I understand that Planeswalkers are price expensive and they take up a huge portion of the total cost of this deck, but the manabase is really bad. It would help the deck a lot to fix it.
You're playing green you can advantage of land ramp spells. You can accommodate land ramp by cutting a large portion of the come into play tapped lands such as Elfhame Palace and other lands like it for Basic lands. For a budget manabase with green you're much better off playing more Basic lands and cards that can tutor for the Basic lands then lots of come into play tapped dual lands. The Tri lands are great: Arcane Sanctum, Seaside Citadel, Opulent Palace and Sandsteppe Citadel, but these lands are powerful enough that coming into play tapped while bad is fine. This will speed up over all game play because Basic lands enter play untapped. Other lands to consider are the BFZ duals: Canopy Vista, Sunken Hollow and Prairie Stream. The BFZ lands have good interaction with both Basic lands and Check lands, Sunpetal Grove, etc.
For a budget $30-$40 manabase I suggest playing:
- The four Tri lands
- Four Pain lands: Caves of Koilos, Llanowar Wastes, Underground River, Yavimaya Coast
- Four Check lands: Sunpetal Grove, Glacial Fortress, Isolated Chapel, Drowned Catacomb
- Three BFZ duals: Canopy Vista, Sunken Hollow and Prairie Stream
- Two Filter lands: Sungrass Prairie and Darkwater Catacombs
- Command Tower, Exotic Orchard, Forbidden Orchard, Ash Barrens, Dreadship Reef, Opal Palace
- 5 Plains, 4 Forest, 2 Island, 2 Swamp
Dreadship Reef is a land that uses counters, great with Atraxa. Opal Palace is good with Atraxa because if you use it to play her she gets a +1/+1 counter which she can start proliferating, growing herself.
I recommend this manabase and adding a ramp package of:
- Cultivate, Farseek and Kodama's Reach
- Sol Ring, Fellwar Stone
- Everflowing Chalice and Astral Cornucopia
Cornucopia and Chalice use counters which Atraxa can proliferate making these rocks pretty powerful. Even though your playing some board wipes that destroy all artifacts I still think having some artifact ramp is important to play Planeswalkers. It's more important to have the mana to play Walkers than wipe the board.
To make room for these ramp packages I recommend cutting some of the less powerful Planeswalkers because holy shit there's 28 total of them. Walkers like Jace, the Living Guildpact, Nissa, Voice of Zendikar, Kiora, the Crashing Wave, Gideon, Champion of Justice and Dovin Baan. Also Praetor's Counsel and Primal Surge are just too mana expensive for the deck. Nevinyrral's Disk, Decree of Pain and Terminus are too slow and your playing a lot of other better cheaper mana board wipes. Terminus while powerful needs some set-up to be, Brainstorm and you currently have no malipulation of the top of your library.
Good luck with your deck.
3 months ago
For cheap mana fixing (<$1):
Gift of Paradise
Pyramid of the Pantheon
Cuts I'd suggest:
Gideon's Lawkeeper for Journey to Nowhere
Manaplasm for Managorger Hydra or Forgotten Ancient
Ondu Giant for Wood Elves
Rhox War MonkSengir Vampire for Archfiend of Depravity or Desecration Demon
Serra Angel for Serra Avenger
Stormblood Berserker for Sulfuric Vortex
Circle of Flame for Mizzium Mortars
Glory of Warfare for Chromatic Lantern
Honor of the Pure for Spear of Heliod, if you really want an anthem effect.
Frost Breath for Mana Leak
Guardians' Pledge for Sakura-Tribe Elder (you really dont have enough white creatures for this effect)
Incinerate & Lightning Bolt for Terminate and Murder
Plummet for Oblivion Ring
Titanic Growth for Harmonize
War Report for Day of Judgment
Exploding Borders for Burnished Hart
Traveler's Amulet for Wayfarer's Bauble
I suggest choosing a theme for your deck. Right now it seems to be pulling in too many directions.
Want to cast and swing with Progenitus? Include cards that grant haste like Temur Ascendancy.
Want to play fun multicolored shenanigans? Include whatever value you like.
Want to use overcosted enchantment cycles? Include the Shrines.
Focusing will allow you to better determine what your deck wants. Regardless, I recommend playing heavy green to maximize your ability to mana ramp.
3 months ago
Sounds lands to consider: Ash Barrens, Terramorphic Expanse, Esper Panorama, Opal Palace. The Lair's can help with fixing too Treva's Ruins & Dromar's Cavern. Or add more storage type lands like Dreadship Reef to take advantage of Proliferate.
Gyre Sage is cool here too.
5 months ago
Thanks, Delta-117. We're mostly on the same wave length for what cards come in/go out, but my main issue right now is that the main core of the deck still has too many cards in it. I still need to cut 6 cards and am struggling to choose which cards get the axe.
When in doubt, my brain tells me to lower the curve, but I feel like everything plays a role to some degree. I mean, Sun Titan and Nissa, Vital Force, for example, recur Stasis and blown up stax pieces, helping to disrupt other peoples' late games. Is that too narrow, considering how far they are up on the curve? Or could I stand to shave a board wipe like Austere Command or Merciless Eviction? I like these because they're selective and versatile, but maybe I already have enough interaction elsewhere in the list? This is what I'm struggling with mostly... there are so many cards I'd LOVE to find room to include, but I already have too many :/
Obviously there's no substitution for play-testing to answer these questions, but I don't get to do a lot of that these days... I was hoping someone out there with a better "EDH eye" than I have could suggest where to start in terms of cuts.
Regarding some of your other suggestions, I absolutely intend to pick up a copy (or 4) of As Foretold, Gideon of the Trials, Archangel of Thune, Oath of Ajani and Chasm Skulker. I just refuse to buy over-priced Standard cards (or prime reprint targets) knowing that it's only a matter of time before they come down a lot in price. Skulker and Oath are just waiting on a Wishlist notification from my LGS before they're added to my collection :)
Kalonian Hydra seems kinda sweet when you get to live the dream, if maybe a bit win-more? I don't own one but I might I add him to the wish list anyway to pick up at some point. I see it competing for the same slots that cards like Master Biomancer, Forgotten Ancient, Corpsejack Menace currently occupy. Because I'm already struggling to make cuts, which of these would you replace with the Hydra, if any?
I actually sold my playset of Primordial Hydras a little while ago... Everyone knows what the card is capable of so it has a huge target on its head. At the end of the day, it's still just a single threat. It dies to removal, gets tapped down with a single Opposition or Staff of Domination activation, gets nullified by a Capsize every couple turns, etc. Not saying the card is bad for these reasons, I just like the 4 cards mentioned in the previous paragraph a bit more because if they're allowed to do their thing, at least they distribute their power/effect across multiple threats, even if the buildup is slower.
I will give some more thought to Lifeblood Hydra... I initially dismissed it because GGG in a 4-color deck seems like asking for it, but it is a late-game card so that should be less of a concern. That said, I also have no sac outlets in the deck, so unless I'm going to spend one of my own "destroy a creature" cards on it, it gets exiled or bounced for zero value. That's a big investment of mana for potentially zero return. In a deck running green that also plays a few sac outlets though? Sure, the Hydra provides a great late-game threat with a built-in insurance policy :)
Lastly, I'm not sure I need the "no max hand size" cards, but I suppose I could try running Reliquary Tower in place of another colorless land like Dreadship Reef. I probably don't need 3 storage lands in here anyway.
Thanks for your suggestions, and sorry if it seems like I'm not open to your suggestions, I'm just at the stage of deck-building with this deck that I need to be very analytical about my choices. There's SO MANY cool cards that can do into a 4-color, versatile commander list like Atraxa that it's already really hard to find space for anything.
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5 months ago
Your list is cool and I can see has already made many improvements since the last time I saw it, here is some constructive feedback you may want to consider. For the most part I avoided recommending creatures because it appears you are going for a very limited creatures sub theme.
Planeswalkers you should consider cutting:
Ajani Unyielding (minus ability seems good, but it's really win more because you have very few creatures. This means it's only good if you already have a lot of planeswalkers on the battlefield. Plus ability isn't good because you have very few creatures and Atraxa already has lifelink and vigillance. I also don't like that it's a 4 drop because it shares the same CMC as Atraxa and you are more likely to want to play them on the same turn.)
Jace Beleren (Decent, but there are better card advantage engines. Double blue is also strict for a budget mana base, but this card is very good if you only minus and Atraxa is out).
Tamiyo, Field Researcher (plus ability is decent at discouraging attackers, but it is difficult to guarntee card advantage because you have so few creatures. I also don't like that it's a 4 drop because it shares the same CMC as Atraxa and you are more likely to want to play them on the same turn.)
Sorin, Solemn Visitor (plus ability hardly does anything because you have so few creatures and Atraxa already has lifelink. Minus ability isn't really worth the mana. I also don't like that it's a 4 drop because it shares the same CMC as Atraxa and you are more likely to want to play them on the same turn.)
Planeswalkers you are not running currently but should consider including:
Kiora, Master of the Depths (plus ability is ramp/mana fixing and has good synergy with mana dorks, minus ability is card advantage).
Tamiyo, the Moon Sage (very powerful plus ability, and with proliferation, she can ultimate quickly which is very powerful. Her minus ability can also generate a lot of cards against some match ups).
Karn Liberated (unconditional removal that you can repeat is a no brainer).
Your removal suite is good but the spells have too high of a converted mana cost on average. Higher converted mana cost is ok for spot removal, but if this is the case, the cards should be very verstaile (i.e. Sultai Charm)
Nonbudget Options:Abrupt Decay
Budget Options:Painful Truths
Glint-Sleeve Siphoner (I know you aren't trying to run a lot of creatures, but it's a solid option)
Non budget options:Phyrexian Arena
I recommend you review my list to get an idea of what a 4 color optimized mana base can look like, but there will be some slight differences because you are running superfriends. From your list recommend you consider to cut Gavony Township because it doesn't produced color mana and you don't run a ton of cretaures anyway (although you have some tokens from your planeswalkers).
Temple of the False God also doesn't make colored mana, and doesn't do anything early game. Ancient Tomb is much better, but I'm not even running that one. If you were to run a colorless land, I would recommend Ghost Quarter or Wasteland.
I understand that you can proliferate Dreadship Reef but I don't think it's good because you have to pay mana to add counters to it, this makes it slow. Mirrodin's Core seems much better. Gemstone Mine you should be running for sure.
Feel free to check out my Atraxa list. It's different than your list because it is control and isn't superfriends, but I would imagine we both can learn from each other's lists and I'd love to hear any feedback you have.