Creature — Vedalken Wizard Mutant
Graft 2 (This creature enters the battlefield with two +1/+1 counters on it. Whenever another creature enters the battlefield, you may move a +1/+1 counter from this creature onto it.)
(1)(Blue): Untap target creature with a +1/+1 counter on it.
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|Mystery Booster (MYS1)||Common|
|Modern Masters 2015 Edition (MM2)||Common|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
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Vigean Graftmage Discussion
2 weeks ago
It's definitely an interesting cards, but I must say that the most recent iteration's second ability still seems too powerful for just 2 mana, even if it grants the opponent a card draw.
It's a legendary creature at 3 CMC that is Esper colors. Most people dislike the additional costs that Grand Arbiter Augustin IV entails. Granted that is to all players and is passive and not active. However it being an active may actually be an upside because then it can be manipulated to basically lock out a player. What's the risk in giving them card draw, if they cannot cast anything?
Althought most single-target kill spells are instant speed, so you're still just making that player increase their chances to find one to kill the Advisor... There's a bit give-and-take / risk-vs-reward.
For 5 mana and giving that opponent 2 card draws and gaining yourself a bunch of life, you make everything they cast cost more... That's pretty brutal in terms of taxing. And it can be your Commander. Factor in that the opponent wont play many cards - at least at sorcery speed - and you will be gaining increasingly more life for each activation, in Esper colors that could easily turn that life gain into kill pressure through Sanguine Bond, Vizkopa Guildmage, or Aetherflux Reservoir.
Thinking about it, it's not actually all that powerful (compared to many other things in Magic), but it REALLY would suck to be on the receiving end, especially in a color that either has very few instant speed cards or nothing effective to use it on. Being locked out of the game is an even worse gameplay experience than being killed - at least IMO.
May I suggest an alternative that is more flexible?
Ellen, the Generous
Legendary Creature - Human Advisor
, : Target opponent chooses clue, food or treasure, then creates a token of the chosen kind. Until your next turn, creatures that player controls cannot attack you or planeswalkers you control.
, : Target opponent draws a card, then you gain life equal to the number of cards in that player's hand. Until your next turn, spells that player casts costs an additional to cast. That player may pay 2 life to pay for each of this cost.
This way you still get to tax them, but they can opt out by paying life. So you cannot lock people down, you can just make it very costly to cast spells - 4 life per spell is still quite a ratio for 2 mana and tapping a creature. Additionally in formats like Commander you cannot hinder players that early in the game, as most people are willing to pay the life to continue playing magic. I got rid of the timing perspective by simply stipulating a "Until your next turn." to increase the power of the ability - or rather decrease the power of instant speed versus this effect.
Overall I think this makes the card less problematic. It also more easily doubles as a way to drop people in life - rather efficiently might I add - than keeping people from playing.
It could be considered to make it a group hug effect that affects all players - including you. So you choose what hinders the table from round to round and what compensation you give. Since you control the activation, you can choose when to apply it so you are the least hindered by its effects. You can also delay the activation so other players might not be hindered and thus use it politically.
Anyway, food for thought.
1 month ago
I know you have a ton of decks, but arcane signet and commanders sphere likely belong in every deck.
36 lands/4 mana rocks seems too high. General rule for me is 35 lands - 1 for every 2-3 mana rocks. This deck also has a low cmc and generates treasures so it seems like you are ~3 lands too high. I would start cutting the 5 color lands and if you bump your cmc up at all, consider adding signets for minimal ramp at the cost of a lands at a 1/3 ratio.
Castle Locthwain - low oppurtunity cost for high value. your deck is half black and this can get you back into a game where you run low on resources
Yawgmoth is a heavy combo card, I dont see a combo for him, he would likely be better in anafenza where you can combo with persist creatures and bolster and all that. the proliferate is powerful, but checkout the options under infect.
Brazen Freebooter Captain Lannery Storm Corsair Captain Dire Fleet Hoarder Pitiless Plunderer Prosperous Pirates Rapacious Dragon Sailor of Means - you already have enough draft chaff in the random infect creatures, revel in riches win is accomplished with a single board clear, or ~2 turns of attacking, they are not required for revel in riches.
If you wanna go revel in riches
Phyrexian Tower - sac outlet and fast mana. see also Westvale Abbey Flip
Exava, Rakdos Blood Witch/Anger - lets you attack after a board clear
Mikaeus, the Unhallowed - this may be in another deck for flavor reasons, but basically makes all non humans immortal
Last One Standing - This basically a better damnation in rackdos. This should replace bontus last reckoning or just be an
additional board clear if you wanna go reanimator with mikaeus, hell even Nevinyrral's Disk is better than bontus
Phyrexian Scriptures ^ all those reasons, mild shoutout to Chain Reaction Blasphemous Act Spell Swindle/Storm the Vault Flip/Brass's Bounty any of these will replace all of the draft chaff and free up some card slots
Curse of Opulence - ramps and duh
Hellkite Tyrant - likely in another deck, but consider it
If you wanna go infect
Karn's Bastion - proliferate the counters and infect counters
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth + Filth - another way to get unblockable. Wonder/Levitation also make blocking hard
Tainted Strike - the best thing about this card, is the fact you can cast it on your opponents creatures. This also combos well with reach creatures like Judith, the Scourge Diva/Syr Konrad, the Grim allowing you to kill your opponents w/o attacking. Does not apply to Blood Artist because life lose does not deal infect damage.
Move Drana, Liberator of Malakir to the mainboard, shes too synergistic to leave behind
Warstorm Surge - deal infect damage without attacking Stalking Vengeance is a worse version
Sword of Truth and Justice - prolly the best sword for this deck.
Bident of Thassa//Coastal Piracy - unblockable means free cards
Open Into Wonder/Mogis's Marauder - moar unblockable
Guildmages' Forum - synergy land
planeswalkers go up a ton with proliferate, Chandra, Flamecaller is a board clear, filter and damage engine. you will pretty much be able to ult Dack Fayden the turn you cast him. Liliana, Dreadhorde General looks amazing in this deck. ulting Lukka, Coppercoat Outcast for the win? just lul
Geode Golem - consider him if you think you need marchesa for the deck to work
Cyclonic Rift - likely in another deck, but another way to go unblockable River's Rebuke/Profaner of the Dead budget options
the vivid lands work with proliferate
Vigean Graftmage - may be better in your twiddle deck, but you can do a number of infinite combos with this card if you wanna go that direction. not very recommended with your current build
2 months ago
snowblind84: Priest of Titania, I put there for her potential to tap for more than one mana. There are better options for her, period. But she also counts the opponents' elves for what that's worth. Thought she would round out the dork package neatly. Arcane Signet would be the next go to 2 cmc ramp in that regard. On a slim sidenote: with Neoform in the deck always consider the next higher cmc, in this case it might pull out Vigean Graftmage for combo reasons.
2 months ago
2 months ago
Thanks so much for your input! Wirewood Channeler is definitely a powerful option I will take into consideration. Do you have any suggestions as to what I could remove to add it? thanks!
2 months ago
2 months ago
I don't want to seem overly critical but you really need to lower the avg. cmc of your creatures by a LOT. You're currently at 4.62 avg. cmc on your creatures which is astronomically high.
You have a total of 5 creatures that cost or less and by comparison you have 17 creatures that cost to mana. This will result in VERY clunky opening hands where you consistently aren't doing anything for the first several turns and you'll hardly ever reach that sweet spot where you're able to chain multiple spells on the same turn.
Here's a list of all the and under creatures in my Marchesa list and her maybeboard that are $5 or less. Baleful Strix, Drana, Liberator of Malakir, Grim Haruspex, Legion Loyalist, Liliana's Standard Bearer, Midnight Reaper, Oona's Blackguard, Sage of Fables, Vigean Graftmage, Yahenni, Undying Partisan, Burglar Rat, Chasm Skulker, Fulminator Mage, and Judith, the Scourge Diva. I would cut from the top of your curve and work you way down.
Like I said, just trying to help. Feel free to check out my list for inspiration, it's one of the top rated Marchesa lists on this site and there's also a decent sized maybeboard and over 90 comments to sift through for more ideas. Upvotes are appreciated Got 99 Upvotes And A Bitch Ain't One - Marchesa
3 months ago
Hi. Saw you asking for advice on the Animar Discord but didn't want to clog up the channel so I figured I'd leave some comments here. I'll try to focus on more budget friendly changes since you already know about the more expensive recommendations.
The first thing that stands out to me is that you've doubled down on a lot of redundancy of similar effects to make your combo options more consistent. Since you don't have Imperial Recruiter and Weird Harvest, I can see why you would do that for a more casual meta. What has happened though is that you have filled up slots that would normally go to the other cards that help Animar function faster. A number of cards could be trimmed out to put in important lower-curve cards.
To start with, you actually have too many combos in the deck that are clogging up cards slots. You already have Ancestral Statue + Walking Ballista, which is Animar's bread and butter. Competitive decks generally focus on assembling that as quickly as possible and protecting the combo.
The typical secondary combo line in cEDH Animar is the Kiri-Onna loop, but that requires you to put a lot of money into your mana base to make sure nearly all you lands produce blue mana for maximum efficiency, so lets skip that for now.
Another backup combo is Barrin, Master Wizard/Temur Sabertooth + Dockside Extortionist, which you already have. Barrin is generally favoured because of its versatility, but the Sabertooth works too and the combo can potentially produce infinite mana without Animar. The combo works well in the cEDH meta because of all the cheap mana rocks and enchantments that get played, but there's a chance it won't be as consistent in more casual metas.
In addition to the main combos, you often see Purphoros, God of the Forge as a backup kill condition. Since you have that too you are fairly well set for win-conditions.
On top of that though, you also currently have the Kiki/Twin combo package, Cloudstone Curio with a couple morph creatures and eldrazi, Deadeye Navigator + Peregrine Drake + Acidic Slime, and Oracle/Labman to win by decking off of "enchantress" effects like Beast Whisperer. You honestly don't need all of that. Some people may run Thassa's Oracle as an option for when damage might not win the game, but the rest could be heavily trimmed to make room for other important ramp and interaction.
So, cards to cut:
Deadeye Navigator is an easy cut. The higher cmc creatures clog up opening hands and force more mulligans. Cloudstone Curio can't be tutored for in your list, which makes it unreliable. Taking that out makes Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger unwanted. That leads to taking out Nettle Drone and Thought Harvester because they are just redundant effects that you already get with Ballista and Purphoros. Laboratory Maniac can come out because it will generally be a more fragile Thassa's Oracle. You could take the oracle out too because there are ways to just bounce and kill with Ballista, even when you are being forced to draw cards off of Glimpse of Nature or Beast Whisperer. I can see why you might want to leave that one in though.
The Kiki/twin package takes up a bunch of slots with cards that don't really do a whole lot on their own except for Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker, which some people think is too unwieldy to cast consistently because of the RRR in its casting cost. Splinter Twin isn't tutorable in the deck, so it's unreliable. Bounding Krasis and Breaching Hippocamp are just redundant bodies that don't even have the same versatility in their effect that Pestermite and Deceiver Exarch, and even those can be a little lack-luster.
If you aren't looking to take all the unnecessary combos out, I can see leaving some of the Kiki stuff in as a 2-card combo that isn't reliant on Animar. Just Kiki, Pestermite, and Deceiver Exarch on their own is enough. If you want to double down on it a bit though, you can consider putting in Zealous Conscripts. With the Conscripts, you can open up a 1 turn combo line with Vannifar.
- Tap Prime Speaker Vannifar -> sac Glen Elendra Archmage -> Archmage returns to the battlefield because of persist -> get Zealous Conscripts and untap Vannifar -> tap Vannifar and sac the Archmage again to get Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker to combo with the Conscripts. Birthing Pod can also work in place of Vannifar.
Other cards worth cutting are Guardian Project (can't be tutored or cost-reduced), Soul of the Harvest (expensive and Primordial Sage is better), Vigean Graftmage (don't have enough +1/+1 counter synergies for this to be worth the slot), Farhaven Elf (better off with a 1 CMC mana dork), Solemn Simulacrum (better off with a 1 CMC mana dork), Tidal Barracuda (it may protect you from counterspells on your turn, put there is just too much risk with letting your opponents cast all their stuff at instant speed on every other turn). There are other cards that could be cut, but those are the ones that really stand out.
To replace the cards you take out, you'll be wanting the 1 cmc mana dorks and mana acceleration that was recommended on Discord, some more card draw/cantrip creatures like Mulldrifter and Generous Patron, and some cheap/free counterspells.
Anyway, I know this is a long wall of text but I hope the feed back helps give you a place to start making tweaks to your deck. And, of course, the people on the Animar Discord are always happy to offer advice.