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For each creature target player controls, put a token onto the battlefield that's a copy of that creature.
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Clone Legion Discussion
1 month ago
Hello, epic_eeyore. Thank you for looking through my decklist and commenting on it. I've included below the ruling that I think applies to this scenario; if I'm interpreting it correctly, the Clone Legion or Rite of Replication would be able to create token copies of lands animated by Noyan Dar, Roil Shaper but those tokens would only have the characteristics printed on the lands copied. If that's correct, then the copies would not be creatures at that time, so it wouldn't matter that they have no +1/+1 counters on them Of course, I do not claim to be an expert or judge; if there is something I misconstrued I should very much like to hear it.
706.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original objects characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The copiable values are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by its face-down status, and by as . . . enters the battlefield and as . . . is turned face up abilities that set power and toughness (and may also set additional characteristics). Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied.
1 month ago
704.5j If a player controls two or more legendary permanents with the same name, that player chooses one of them, and the rest are put into their owners graveyards. This is called the legend rule.
110.1. A permanent is a card or token on the battlefield. A permanent remains on the battlefield indefinitely. A card or token becomes a permanent as it enters the battlefield and it stops being a permanent as its moved to another zone by an effect or rule.
So if you have Blade of Selves on a legendary creature that attacks you put all but one of the creatures (including the original) into your graveyard. If you Clone Legion an opponent with legendary creatures nothing happens as long as you don't control a legendary permanent with the same name. If you do you put either the token or the original in your graveyard. If you Clone Legion yourself when you control legendary creatures you put either the token or the original in the graveyard.
1 month ago
1 month ago
I'm not entirely sure what theme you are going for, but I think some of your categoriesneed to be more focused towards a set of win-cons, and about half of each be able to functionwithout Jhoira explicitly.
I'm fairly certain Matt had said that the Chance Encounter with Frenetic Efreet doesn't work, but I'm not sure about that. Even if that's not the case, why this particular combo? I feel as if there are stronger ones to go in Jhoira
Usually people use Firemind's Foresight to search up specific win conditions, or powerful X cost cards. I'm not seeing a whole lot for you to search for in this matter.
On that note, I think you should be really careful about your optimism with suspending things with your commander. Average Case Scenario you will play her with five mana up, suspend one thing in response to someone immediately trying to kill her, or she won't hit at all due to counterspells. A lot of your spells take for granted the fact that she will always be on the field like an enchantment you start with (see your draw category). Our meta usually consists of heavy boardWipes and consistent counterspells you can thank your boyfriend and Luke for that.
|Cards that must be cut|These are cards that are bad enough they shouldn't be in the deck at all or they have an equivalent card that is also on theme. - For example, there are a wide array of counterspells that are infinitely better/cheaper than Cancel, but Delay is one mana less and lets you control the board in your favor while being incredibly on theme (Delay a Board Wipe and remove the suspend counters, or add more as you need, etc other uses). In any case there are a wide variety of cards that should replace Cancel. Eg., 'strictly better Dissolve, Dissipate, Disallow, Izzet Charm etc.
- Thirst- Izzet Cluestone- Reduce to Dreams- Divination- Nevinyrral's Disk - I've sort of brought my grade for this card down a little bit in recent times, the fact that it can't save you on a draw really hurts the card and the purpose of boardWipes. Still a great card, but not as powerful in decks that aren't focused on recurring artifacts.
You have Mana Geyser listed under Ramp, when really this effect is called a 'Ritual', named for the card Dark Ritual. Besides semantics, it's a great card, but shouldn't be considered when determining how much Ramp you have in the deck. Without it, 8-9 should be more than enough anyways. As a side note, consider Reiterate, it can go infinite with Mana Geyser.
You have several components to Mill Combos, which is a set of great of powerful effects, but to devote to the strategy itself of mill would require a subset of 15-30 cards in that nature. Unless that is your desire, it would be best to remove non-combo pieces such as Fraying Sanity.
Sphinx of the Final Word is not a counterspell, but is under the category of 'counters'.
I think you should work on removala little more, maybe combine removal and counters for a total of (12x) and split it six and six. Certainly need more than two in removal.
Like I mentioned earlier, I think you should consider messing with your draw to not be totally dependent on having Jhoira out on the field, maybe make it half and half. Also, I think Aeon Chronicler is too good and on theme not to have in here for draw.
If your deck is red/blue/suspend/control 'goodstuff' with a couple of combos, here are some cards I think you should consider:
- Illusionist's Bracers
- Kozilek, the Great Distortion
- Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur
- Stormtide Leviathan
- Kederekt Leviathan
- Reality Shift
- Rapid Hybridization
- Devastation Tide
- Part the Waterveil
- Reality Strobe This card is sweet!
- Time Reversal
- Possibility Storm Only you can predict what card you will play
- Beacon of Tomorrows
- Melek, Izzet Paragon
- Goblin Electromancer
Savor the Moment This seems particularly good for just upkeep triggers
2 months ago
Voidmage Husher, Artful Dodge, Slip Through Space, Taigam’s Strike, Swiftfoot Boots, Search for Azcanta Flip, Disciple of the Ring, Mystic Remora, Ojutai Exemplars, Acquire, Baral's Expertise, Fractured Identity, Mystic Confluence, Blatant Thievery, Clone Legion
2 months ago
I also don't understand why power artifact Basalt Monolith / Grim Monolith with Power Artifact isn't in here Blacker Lotus is legal till Jan Unwinding Clock Temple Bell Scroll Rack Copy Artifact Wurmcoil Engine Pili-Pala + Grand Architect Staff of Domination amongst other staple and easy combo cards... this deck is missing a lot!
3 months ago
I was considering cutting one of Rise or Legion, since they're so expensive, but I think Rise of the Dark Realms is actually better than Clone Legion, even though legion technically goes infinite with Dualcaster Mage. I play Rise in my Tasigur deck, and it generally wins every game I play it in due to the high amount of GY based decks in my meta.
Chromatic Lantern simply got moved to the maybeboard because I don't own one and they're over $10. This isn't a deck I'm wanting to slam a bunch of money on quite yet, so that's also the reasoning for Patron Wizard and Glen Elendra Archmage, and to a lesser extent Voidmage Prodigy. I own most cards in the list right now because I have the Inalla precon and pre-owned a lot of the cards here.
I think AEther Adept is probably cuttable. It just doesn't usually do enough. I usually look at it wishing it was a Hero's Downfall or Terminate instead, as games in my meta usually go long and having to recast a card isn't that big of a deal.
Dire Fleet Ravager is simply in there because I was looking for wizards with cool ETB effects, and he was new, so I threw him in. I haven't really gotten to testing him yet, but the more I look at him the more I think "I play this and immediately die to whatever's on the other end of the board" because at 40 life it brings me to 18, and I usually won't have a lot of dudes. So out he goes!
Similarly, Flesh Carver and Ghoulcaller Gisa were me looking for cool sac outlets that also happen to be wizards, like Viscera Seer, since I'm losing my tokens anyway. I already own Ghoulcaller Gisa, and although it is a wizard, it doesn't really benefit from one of our only real tribal synergy, Inalla's trigger, outside of turning a wizard into a zombie. She'll probably be cut. But I'm not so sure about Flesh Carver going away, since he can potentially get huge, and requires two removal spells, in addition to being able to use him multiple times a turn and his synergy with our reanimation effects to make more giant horrors.
Also, what are your thoughts on adding the Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind combos at the end of the description? Should I even bother? And which ones are best?
3 months ago
I'm with multimedia, Rise of the Dark Realms isn't worth keeping. Clone Legion for flavour alone and for that one blowout moment could stay, as long as you know for the most part it will be a total dead drop.
Why aren't you running Chromatic Lantern? Feels like an auto-include for this. I see it in the maybeboard, but it's gotta be in the "OH BABY BOARD" homie. It's so worth running.
Dire Fleet Ravager feels out of place. So does Ghoulcaller Gisa. I get that you're trading the clone for a bunch of zombies and that it's a decent sack outlet, but Wizards aren't big boyz/girlz. They won't generate too many zombs and on top of that, you have to decide on only one. I'd favour Ashnod's Altar or Phyrexian Altar over her. COUNTERPOINT! Purphoros, God of the Forge is a good reason to keep spamming zombies, but then you gotta fun Faces of the Past or Fatestitcher for more Gisa untaps.
I hope this helps!