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No worries.if that doesnt work, we Can figure something else out too. I always need shocks and fetches and other planeswalkers.
May 17, 2017 3:51 p.m.
I agree, the Ajani art is best. With that in mind, would trade work for you?
May 17, 2017 10:26 a.m.
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You have 8 1-mana dorks, so most elf decks can get away with running only 18 lands. I also play elves with only 18 lands, and it feels like I'm flooding if I ever draw my 4th land since you always want a ton of elves every game. Here's my list if you're interested- Chord of Collected Elves.
May 25, 2017 10:34 a.m.
I'm curious as to why you choose not to run any Nettle Sentinels in your mono-green list? It seems like you could cut a land or 2 and shave another 2 cards for the set in order to combo more with Heritage Druid.
May 25, 2017 9:02 a.m.
Memphismaymagic5- He certainly CAN build this like a midrange deck, but wilt-leaf variants of the deck lean more towards aggression than they do towards midrange. If you compare the traditional builds of Abzan to the wilt-leaf versions, you'll notice the differences in playstyle by their card selection. For example, traditional Abzan plays Liliana of the Veil, one of the best attrition cards in the game, along with creatures like Grim Flayer to win the topdeck war. Here we ideally want to beat down as fast as possible with creatures pumped up with Wilt-leaf's ability. If you imagine each deck's ideal opening hand, this concept becomes quite clear. The best opening hand with a traditional Abzan midrange build is turn 1 discard spell, turn 2 threat, turn 3 Lily, and removal and threats after. Here, the ideal game is turn 1 dork, turn 2 3-drop (preferably with 2 colors in its cost), turn 3 liege or rhino, turn 4 liege + removal. While both decks play similarly after turn 5, playing threats and removal as needed, the base build of the wilt-leaf list isn't geared towards an extended game nearly as much as the normal midrange abzan lists. Therefore, I'm always in favor of playing towards a decks strengths rather than try and dilute the primary gameplan (at least in game 1) by trying to do too much. Having the discard in the SB means it's still there when he needs it, but for game 1 it's better to have a deck that consistently does what you want it to do.
May 25, 2017 8:50 a.m.
I am indeed still interested in the chrome mox. I'll start a trade if that's ok.
May 24, 2017 1:01 p.m.
Nukulargear- Since fetches recently got reprinted, I would say pick up the fetches now before they all raise in price another $10 over the next year or 2. Unless Wizards is planning on another reprint of fetchlands in iconic masters later this year (I think it's unlikely), now would be a good time to pick them up. Once you invest in lands in modern (or any format really), you'll notice that other opportunities for deckbuilding will become available to you. Thanks to MM17, I now have sets of all the Zendikar fetches and can play certain decks that were previously unavailable to me. Nobles are still a staple of many Green decks in Modern, but fetches are more important in the long run.
May 24, 2017 12:55 p.m.
May 24, 2017 6:36 a.m.
Nukulargear- Oops! I meant to say to add a few Noble Hierarchs instead of the birds (you know, that other 1 cmc mana dork that taps for multiple colors). You may have missed the window as far as getting them for cheap though (they aren't budget friendly atm). And yes, having some discard in the side would be good in the combo and control matchups along with a few others where turn 1 discard would wreck them. You probably wouldn't need more than 5 slots for them max. Also another little thing is that I would swap the numbers on your Fatal Pushs and Path to Exiles. Path in a vacuum is the better card, removing almost everything short of a Stormbreath Dragon, Etched Champion, or bogle in modern (all of which push misses as well). Push is great but not as universal, so I'd err on the side of having more paths.
May 24, 2017 6:28 a.m.
I used to play wilt-leaf abzan as my primary modern deck, so perhaps some of these pointers will help:
Most decks in Modern choose to play either mana dorks OR black discard as their turn 1 play. Running both leads to difficult decisions on how you want your deck to function in the early and late game. Do you want a powerful 3 drop on turn 2? Then that discard spell will rot in your hand until turn 3 or later. Want to discard turn 1 to see if the coast is clear? Then your 3 drop will be played on curve, and there will be no good time to cast your dork if you have a 2 mana play. For this reason, it is better to have the discard in the SB to bring in against creature-less combo decks to replace your removal rather than maindeck both types of cards.
Kitchen Finks. I know they have a pretty hefty price tag for an uncommon right now, but they are very important to this deck. Your 3 color mana base can be a little painful, but gaining a shockland amount of life back adds up over the match. I'd replace the 4 IoKs in your MD with 4 finks, and never look back. I would also try to find room for 1-2 Birds of Paradise to always enable the turn 1 dork into turn 2 3-drop play. You want your deck to be as consistent as possible, and ramping into a good 3-drop is how you'll normally beat other decks. Playing a Liege on turn 3 is great as well, so the extra dorks are worth it here.
Finally, I would cut 2 of your shocklands in order to play 2 Gavony Townships. Township is half of the reason Lingering Souls makes the cut in this deck, and it allows you to grind the longer matches well while committing fewer threats to the board. It's worth it's weight in gold in this deck, and it's not too pricy of a card. The last thing I'll add, is that with the recent reprint of the enemy fetchlands in MM17, now would be the best time to pick up a set of Verdant Catacombs and a single Marsh Flats. I know they will bring the deck out of 'budget' range, but they're worth it if you want to play a little more competitively, and if you ever switch decks they'll most likely be the cards you keep.
Good luck! And if you want to look at the list I played, here it is: Modern Abzan Beatsticks
May 23, 2017 7:11 a.m.
mcstang1986- The Marvel player went 2-2 I think, however he wasn't one of the better players in the room in general. Perhaps a different pilot would have done better. There was a guy on straight UW control who did well, going either 2-2 or 3-1 I think but I didn't play him. There was also a jeskai PW deck that was pretty controlling that went 2-2. It looked like a fun list but it lost the last round to the humans list that I played in round 3.
May 23, 2017 6:21 a.m.
May 19, 2017 3:03 p.m.
Hello all! I'm trying to update my standard deck for game day. From what I hear, my local meta is mainly Marvel and aggro decks. I want my MD to remain good at dealing with opposing aggro, but I want to make my SB a nightmare for Marvel decks. Let me know how to accomplish this!
May 19, 2017 1:29 p.m.
I'm looking to update my deck for game day tomorrow. I'm aiming for the MD to be a good matchup against Mardu vehicles and other aggro decks for game 1, but I want to make sure I can beat Marvel decks in the sideboard matches. My meta will be mostly those 2 decks, maybe with more marvel in the room. I know I need Dispossess, but is there anything else I can include?
May 19, 2017 1 p.m.
The bread and butter cards for most shops fall in the $2-$6 range from what 2 of my store-owner buddies tell me. They sell more cards in that range than any others. As a store, anything over $2 would warrant a second look at how in-demand the card is. Anything under $2 would be bulk. His list actually isn't as bulk-y as some that I've seen, although his asking price needs to be below tcg low if he wants to have any chance whatsoever to sell them. I agree with the ~10k figure mentioned above, as long as the condition on the cards check out.
May 17, 2017 11:19 p.m.
I'm not 100% sure about the trade. On the one hand, I really could use the 3 cards you're offering, but I also like having Elspeth, and would like to include it in a cube. Let me think about it and I'll get back to you shortly.
May 17, 2017 3:45 p.m.
Oh I'm aware of that fact, but I've also played against someone who was familiar with my build of the deck, and managed to deal with all of my wincons knowing that I had fewer cards in my deck than he did. It created contention when I didn't scoop the 2nd game after winning the first game, there was only 5 mins left in the round and he had removed all my wincons but he was reasonably locked out of attacking (22 mana to attack I think?). To this day I'm not sure on if a judge would side with me or him in that case. Either way, a more diverse sweet of wincons would have gotten the job done.
May 17, 2017 2:54 p.m.
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