Force of Despair

Instant

If it's not your turn, you may exile a black card from your hand rather than pay this spell's mana cost.

Destroy all creatures that entered the battlefield this turn.

Legality

Format	Legality
1v1 Commander	Legal
Archenemy	Legal
Arena	Legal
Block Constructed	Legal
Canadian Highlander	Legal
Casual	Legal
Commander / EDH	Legal
Commander: Rule 0	Legal
Custom	Legal
Duel Commander	Legal
Gladiator	Legal
Highlander	Legal
Historic	Legal
Legacy	Legal
Leviathan	Legal
Limited	Legal
Modern	Legal
Oathbreaker	Legal
Planechase	Legal
Quest Magic	Legal
Tiny Leaders	Legal
Vanguard	Legal
Vintage	Legal

Discussion (50)

Dead_Blue_ on Scam Rack

2 months ago

Yea so after testing, this deck just doesn’t work.

When you get a Scam hand it’s amazing but it’s better just to protect Grief than it is to try to get Racks online & attack their hand.

When you don’t get a Scam hand there isn’t enough discard to make 8Rack an effective hand.

In conclusion just playing normal R/B Scam is a far better plan

Thanks for the feedback fellas

To answer questions, Force of Despair is an amazing card. I’m sure as soon as people figure this out the price will skyrocket through the roof.

Path of Peril could work but I personally prefer Damn

Collective Brutality is definitely the better card than March of Wretched Sorrow but I wanted a late game mana dump that could double as a pitch place for Undying Malice

I simple forgot to throw an Urborg in, fetches we’re for Fatal Push over thinning.

Anyway deck is RIP to me …easy come easy go

zapyourtumor on Scam Rack

2 months ago

I actually really like the inclusion of 4 Voidwalkers since it gives the undying cards another target besides Grief, especially since one voidwalker can cast cards exiled with a different Voidwalker (or its past dead self).

Having so many fetches in mono B for deck thinning is probably not necessary imo. I would probably put like 2-3 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth along with 3-4 Urza's Saga. Urborg also goes pretty well with a couple horizon lands like Silent Clearing. Force of Despair is a cool card that a lot of 8rack players were excited to test out when it got spoiled, personally I don't think running 3 copies is a great idea in a deck already pitching cards to Grief but you could maybe run 3 combined between mainboard and sideboard.

Path of Peril is a really funny boardwipe since a) you can sack your Dauthi anyways and b) it doesn't hit Grief. Obviously some antisynergy with Saga but its probably fine if you sequence plays correctly.

This is definitely a deck where I would put some copies of Surgical Extraction in the sideboard.

20 lands is probably on the low side, although you aren't running any Raven's Crime. Need testing for that one.

The tweaks I'd make before playtesting would probably be:

Mainboard:

-4 Bloodstained Mire -4 Verdant Catacombs -2 Force of Despair -2 Shrieking Affliction

+2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth +4 Urza's Saga +1 Godless Shrine +1 Silent Clearing +1 Pithing Needle +1 Nihil Spellbomb +1 Path of Peril +1 Bloodchief's Thirst/Funeral Charm/Dismember idk

Reasoning: with Saga, you can cut on Afflictions since you can tutor racks more consistently, Needle and Spellbomb are just mainboard saga target staples, and then some other removal to replace Force of Despair. Funeral Charm can let a big construct through with Urborg. What removal you choose to run is probably meta dependent.

Sideboard:

This is definitely a lot more meta dependent so I can't comment as much.

Here Necromentia can probably be replaced with Surgical Extraction.

Go Blank is decent grave hate but can be replaced with extra Nihil Spellbomb or 4 Leyline of the Void, personal preference. Also good to note that Go Blank can sometimes be too slow (vs grinding breach) and also doesn't shut down some decks as effectively as leyline like Murktide, Scam, Grinding Station, Yawgmoth, Living End, etc while Leyline stops all of those in their tracks.

Delirium Skeins is a sideboard card against Leyline of Sanctity if thats ever a problem.

Path of Peril or Bontu's Last Reckoning can replace Damnation if you find yourself badly needing a t3 boardwipe.

Collective Brutality classic sideboard card against burn, and probably much better than March of Wretched Sorrow in 95% of situations.

You can also move the Spellbomb + Needle package to the sideboard if you think mainboard is too crowded with the scam package.

wallisface on Scam Rack

2 months ago

Very interesting build - how has it been going for you?

Have you considered adding in the Urza's Saga package? Loads of 8rack decks have been running that, as it provides more bodies, and can go grab The Rack (or any other toolbox artifact).

I'm really not sold on Force of Despair, feels like it's at-best a sideboard card - but maybe this is more valuable in your specific meta?

Dead_Blue_ on How Not To MTG

2 months ago

zapyourtumor I threw together a stock list of my idea if you wanna help tune it

Scam Rack

I have Force of Despair as an additional pitch target when the revive cards are dead draws or Lilly fodder

Dead_Blue_ on My zombie tribal deck

5 months ago

Smallpox Fatal Push Dismember Infernal Grasp Damn Legion's End Bloodchief's Thirst Force of Despair March of Wretched Sorrow Defile

If you wanted to keep it Legacy there is stuff like Do or Die Innocent Blood Sudden Edict and Snuff Out

Chasmolinker on That's What Sheoldred Said

6 months ago

I like Withering Boon a lot actually. It would fit nicely with Imp's Mischief and Force of Despair as another "Gotcha" Card.

Fullmetal2040 on Mari, the Killing Quill

10 months ago

I would take out deadly rollick for a card like Force of Despair or Slaughter Pact. you dont get the hit counter from Mari when you exile an opponent's creature because it is not dying it is being exiled. i've killed 6 creatures at once with force of despair

If the reason you have Withering Boon is to trigger Mari it wont because the creature never hits the battlefield therefore it never dies, otherwise im not to sure why you have a creature counter spell, i guess for commanders eh. i think it would be better to have another kill spell imo.

she's not in the tribe but Marionette Master synergizes really well with Mari. so does Underhanded Designs & Deadly Dispute

I have built my own Mari deck and played a decent amount of games winning a few. Enjoy, she's really fun!!

zAzen7977 on Help optimizing my Wilhelt Precon

1 year ago

I forgot to mention Force of Despair, another budget removal option.