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|Commander: Rule 0||Legal|
Creature — Elf Archer
Reach (This creature can block creatures with flying.)
Deathtouch (Any amount of damage this dealt to a creature is enough to destroy it.)
Whenever another creature dies (is put into the graveyard from the battlefield, tokens enter the graveyard before ceasing to exist), each opponent loses 1 life.
3 weeks ago
I read the thread when I tried to look up the rules for the cards which is kinda important for EDH Endless Whispers. (I plan on including it in Obeka)
In a 1v1 match it mostly tries to get the best creature of an opponent while donating negative effects. But in commander it becomes a game of "hot potato" where you can never be sure who gets the creatures of another player but you can decide what "garbage" you donate. That is the gist of what the deck will do in a multiplayer game.
Depending on what you give away you may want cards that can counter triggered abilities in case ove Leveler, Sky Swallower, Boldwyr Heavyweights, Eater of Days, Hunted Wumpus, Inverter of Truth, Dust Elemental, Avatar of Discord, Indentured Djinn Ebon Drake Plague Reaver Master of the Feast Tempting Wurm, the haunted one like Hunted Troll, Hunted Dragon,Hunted Dragon, Hunted Lammasu or Hunted Phantasm. Personally I would use Obeka, Brute Chronologist to counter the ETB of the creatures you play by ending the turn and then giving them to an opponent. But that only works for when the creature with negative effect enters the battlefield during your turn. But it is a great plan B in case you don't have Endless Whispers to give your opponents creatures from the list above by simply playing an 8/8 trample for then ending the turn before the trigger resolves.
Other options are Jon Irenicus, Shattered One or Blim, Comedic Genius both want your opponents to control your creatures. If you just want the effect of giving your opponents negative ETBs you can also build a deck on The Beamtown Bullies. But including Endless Whispers in this deck can backfire by giving you one of the negative effects if the creature dies. And it also is hard to let e.g. Leveler enter the battlefield to donate it through endless whispers. What helps with that may be to manifest a creature with a negative effect with e.g. Scroll of Fate. You can also manifest creatures with negative effect from your library but that is a bit more random.
To prevent getting creatures with negative effects from your opponents you to gain hexproof. There are plenty of effects giving yourself hexproof in white but I couldn't find a good commander for that. To gain hexproof yourself in a non white deck you most likely need Orbs of Warding which may be the way to go to prevent opponents to return the hot potato to you. Which is what I do in Obeka (sadly I don't have any list online of that deck).
If you like Endless Whispers to take your opponent cards however you might rather want to play Grave Betrayal or Lim-Dul the Necromancer. Overall it can still be used as a politicle tool. Especially if you donate one of the Haunted once you can build a pact with another player that you always trade them with each other to get more and more tokens.
Talking tokens it is also possible to put Endless Whispers in Grismold, the Dreadsower which gets into the direction of Dagger Burn known through Rampaging Ferocidon, Trespasser's Curse, Massacre Wurm, Slaughter Specialist and e.g. Illness in the Ranks/Virulent Plague. Whenever you donate Hunted Troll to an opponent or it enters the battlefield you let the 1/1 faeris directly die causing Grismold to trigger and also cards like Poison-Tip Archer.
It is also possible to play with effects like Plaguecrafter, Abyssal Gorestalker, Gravelighter. The player who gets the creature has to sacrifice one creature less and choses who sacrifice one creature less the next turn. But as long as you profit from death triggers via e.g. enchantments or artifacts you will profit most from your favourite card.
I also like Rakdos the Defiler to use Endless Whisper. After all one can donate some negative effects and if the opponent sacrifices creatures they have to donate them to someone else. Altough that also works better in 1v1.
I hope the explanation helps to find the right deck to play Endless Whispers in Commander.
2 months ago
Hi there, thank you for reaching out. I hope my suggestions will be helpful, but here are some things I noticed when I took a look at your deck:
I know that your commander can steal opponents' lands, but I think you are kind of low on your own land count. Personally, I would suggest bumping up to 35-36, especially since your average cmc is closer to 3.
You can probably swap out Fall of Gil-galad and Oath of the Grey Host for a couple more effects that let you sacrifice your own creatures like Ashnod's Altar, Plumb the Forbidden, Yahenni, Undying Partisan, Yawgmoth, Thran Physician, or Phyrexian Altar, depending on your budget.
Depending on your budget, you can likely swap Butcher of Malakir out for Bastion of Remembrance, Poison-Tip Archer, Grave Pact, or Dictate of Erebos. The enchantments are a bit more resistant to removal and board wipes than creatures, and all options are lower on your mana curve to come down sooner.
If you haven't already, I would recommend checking out EDHREC's page on Smeagol, Helpful Guide, here are the pages for a Sacrifice themed deck and a more Landfall focused deck. These pages can give you an idea of which effects overlap between the two strats, and what might be within your budget.
I hope these suggestions were helpful.
5 months ago
also regarding creatures to keep: Blightbelly Rat Blightwidow Bloated Contaminator Branchblight Stalker Cankerbloom Fynn, the Fangbearer God-Eternal Rhonas Hand of the Praetors Hooded Blightfang Ichor Rats Ichorspit Basilisk Necrogen Rotpriest Pestilent Syphoner Phyrexian Hydra Poison-Tip Archer Scheming Aspirant Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon Thalia and The Gitrog Monster Toxic Nim Tyrranax Atrocity Tyrranax Rex Venomous Brutalizer Verdant Sun's Avatar Whispering Specter Evolution Sage Norn's Choirmaster Raven Guild Master Tekuthal, Inquiry Dominus
cutting Bortuk Bonerattle; Copper Longlegs; Deathmist Raptor; Ezzaroot Channeler; Goreclaw, Terror of Qal Sisma; Ravenous Sailback; Shifting Ceratops; Topiary Stomper; Tranquil Frillback; Faceless Devourer; Mage Hunter; Spiteful Returned; Suq'Ata Assassin. probably could do with a few more creature cuts, especially if I want to throw some of the planeswalkers I found for the maybe board in there.
8 months ago
I have replaced Bloodgift Demon and Rune-Scarred Demon with Poison-Tip Archer and Sidisi, Undead Vizier, which reduced the average converted mana cost of this deck from 4.02 to 3.97, which is very impressive, because, while the demons are both amazing creatures, the latter two creatures have better synergy with the deck, as I have many ways to make the archer's ability trigger, and I can sacrifice Sidisi to her own ability and then reanimate her, thus allowing me to use her ability multiple times.
11 months ago
from what we played recently i think you need more consistent saproling generation for example Sporemound for landfall tokens, Evolution Sage also for landfall tokens and proliferating all the spore counters on the other creatures because waiting for three turns is a bit of a stretch, and maybe even Jade Mage or Sprout Swarm if you have open mana before the start of your turn. You may also want to invest in sacrifice payoffs like Zulaport Cutthroat or Poison-Tip Archer, who both work like Slimefoot, the Stowaway but without the saproling generation if the idea is to feed Nemata, Primeval Warden
1 year ago
Also consider Poison-Tip Archer for your life loss goodness
1 year ago
1 year ago
If you are going hard on the Slimefoot and sac route, it might be worthwhile to have more lifedrain redundancy in the form of cards like Blood Artist, Zulaport Cutthroat, or Poison-Tip Archer. Then, you probably just want to maximize token generation so the damage ends up being enough.