Creature — Goblin Shaman
Vexing Shusher can't be countered.
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Vexing Shusher occurrence in decks from the last year
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Vexing Shusher Discussion
1 week ago
First, can I state the the conversation is about Hybrid, not or . Those should not be used in any argument, because all three are vastly different. For example, something with in its cost is definitely a Green card. It was built to be a green effect on a green card that had a weird casting cost to help some players out when their mana is weird. Additionally, Dismember is 100% a black card.
And can I say that I absolutely hate the "slippery slope" argument, especially in Magic. It's entirely irrelevant. It isn't even capable of holding water.
Now, the Hybrid mana thing is weird. The design of the mechanic allows mono-colored decks to use effects that are supposed to be 2-color. Technically, you can also use them in 2-color decks that don't line up, like Nightveil Specter in a deck, but that puts a lot of strain on your manabase and I don't recommend it.
The problem comes down to, do we actually want some of these cards in certain monocolor decks? Looking through the cards, most of them wouldn't even be played in commander. And honestly, oh no mono blue gets Overbeing of Myth is not all that scary. There's a couple minor pie stretches and breaks that would happen, but for the most part very few of the cards are playable and very few of them actually change much about what the mono color decks already have access to.
The only cards I can see actually being crazy are Guttural Response , which is a third member of green's Autumn's Veil and Veil of Summer package and another anti-counterspell in red's gang of Red Elemental Blast , Pyroblast , Ricochet Trap .... etc. Or maybe Vexing Shusher ? Hmmm, well . . . no. Again, red and green on their own are perfectly capable of saying "screw you blue" without either of those cards.
Or Waves of Aggression in mono white? Oh, wait . . . most mono white lists are stax or janky creature mcSlappies. And them getting one Extra Combat effect is honestly meh. It wouldn't break anything. Honestly, I don't even think it's all that powerful.
Or Dovescape in mono white? Oh, wait, monowhite has better stax pieces. In monoblue? Nah, monoblue is spellcaster. It loses to Dovescape.
The impact of making such a change is so small that, for those campaigning for the change, it is entirely an ideological victory. The impact is quite literally restricted to "now I have to explain why I'm allowed to run this card". Which honestly is no worse than having to explain some of your more complicated turns to newer players. Which I have to do all the time.
I don't have a stance here, because there isn't actually a compelling reason to make the change or to refuse the change. Actually, check that, there is one reason to refuse the change, and that is "actually bothering to make the change". So this change will not happen, because the single point awarded to either side is against it.
2 weeks ago
Mono-white getting Dovescape , Mirrorweave , Waves of Aggression , and Swans of Bryn Argoll ? Mono-green getting Guttural Response and Wort, the Raidmother ? Mono-black getting Murderous Redcap ? Mono-red getting Tyrannize and Vexing Shusher ? I don't the flavor makes sense, nor do I think we need to make the change. It'd be a very confusing thing for new players, you'll have to remember.
I can see the attraction though, and I agree that it's a good thing to discuss.
2 weeks ago
A plane's ability does use the stack. Mirrored Depths is a straightforward, to the book triggered ability, so the Vexing Shusher can be activated in response. You still flip a coin, though, in case that matters for anything.
2 weeks ago
So I was playing a game of Planechase and we wound up on the Mirrored Depths plane while a player controlled a Vexing Shusher which gave rise to the question of whether or not the static abilities of Planes use the stack. In short can you activate Vexing Shusher in response when casting a spell triggers Mirrored Depths ?
2 months ago
I'm not quite sure you understand the combo, is a video that explains it better than I can. I have Vexing Shusher in the maybeboard as a small measure to try and keep Tibalt's Trickery from getting countered, but granted, it could screw up the combo.
2 months ago
Only running one Tibalt's Trickery means you lose to any deck with a counterspell. It also means you lose to yourself if Trickery hits into a cascade card before it sees Emrakul.
Only running 4 cascade cards means you’re going to lose to any form of hand disruption.
I’m not sure why you have Vexing Shusher in the maybeboard, as that will just turn off your own combo (you could cascade into that instead of Trickery).
I suggest having a look at what MagicAids did with the deck (you can youtube him)
3 months ago
You're welcome :) I appreciate your interests in my deck!
Exploration is great for getting extra mana with Golos activations or, as you already said, with wheels. I really love this card, but feel free to cut it, if it doesn't work out for you.
Jeweled Lotus is sadly not too good for this deck. It's kind of good in the first two turns, but I would highly recommend Mana Vault over it, because you can use it to cast Golos, Tireless Pilgrim or activate him, or cast a "Feel the Wheel" combo. It's a dead card in the mid to late game.
I will probably make the Alms Collector cut, but I have to think about Aven Mindcensor. I think that having another 3 cmc flash creature, to interrupt opponents tutoring and fetching is just too good.
Thank you very much for your interest again. I really enjoy the discussion!
5 months ago
Awakening, Cindervines, City of Solitude, Helix Pinnacle, Leyline of Abundance, Manabarbs, Power Surge, Price of Glory, Tectonic Instability, Ankh of Mishra, Sword of the Paruns, Staff of Domination, Horizon Stone, Omnath, Locus of Mana, Leyline Tyrant, Nightshade Harvester, Mogis, God of Slaughter, Dosan the Falling Leaf, Harsh Mentor, Nyxbloom Ancient, Vexing Shusher