Creature — Goblin Shaman
Vexing Shusher can't be countered.
: Target spell can't be countered.
|Want (2)||zachi , peace82|
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|Double Masters (2XM)||Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
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Vexing Shusher Discussion
2 days ago
Yea I'd look to replace the Piper whenever possible since it really only exists for drafting EDH. Sidar Kondo of Jamuraa is an option that would let you splash white and get you some nice evasion for your tokens, but waiting for Legends is probably a more budget friendly alternative. I'm really looking forward to it. :^)
Everything else looks solid to me. One thing I'd maybe look into is some form of stack interaction. You have plenty of stuff to protect Tana once she resolves, but if she doesn't get to hit the board, you're out your entire strategy. The odds of the control player at the table actually using a counter on Tana to begin with are probably pretty slim, but it doesn't hurt to be prepared. Pyroblast, Red Elemental Blast, Burnout, Autumn's Veil, Savage Summoning, and the already listed Vexing Shusher all come to mind.
Finally, I'm gonna recommend Cindervines again over one of the Seals you have just because it does stuff when you don't necessarily need the removal. Destiny Spinner would probably be nice in the main board, and Grasp of Fate is an admittedly less budget O Ring that lets you upset everyone at the table at once with. Probably not worth the extra money for such a small upgrade but I figured I'd mention it. :^)
Overall this looks really nice. Think it's gonna end up being the one you put to paper?
1 week ago
1 month ago
Thanks Profet93 :). I like your questions! They makes me reconsider card assessments formed long ago. Let’s dig into our new ones:
- Yavimaya Hollow: a card I like and play in other decks. I also considered it for this deck several times. However, every time I do I feel it just does not belong in this deck. I think the reason why I feel that way is because it’s not the creatures that need protecting most of the time (or that I don’t want to focus on protecting them). Opponents could kill Mina and Denn, Wildborn sure. But they are just an enabler for the deck. Not a key piece, like in decks where I do run Hollow. The deck does not really have many vital pieces like that. On certain moments, yes, hollow will save that one creature you needed for the explosive play, so I do agree it would be a useful include. I just don’t think it is necessary or used very often. A bit like Kessig Wolf Run maybe. To be honest, the threshold of getting one in FOIL also contributes to a feeling of resistance nowadays. However, I can totally see anyone swapping out Spikefield Hazard for Yavimaya Hollow if they feel differently. It might be a good idea to test this one again just to see what happens.
- If I’d cut Retreat to Kazandu now - which I won’t ;) - I’d probably go for another 2-mana ramp piece or put Krosan Tusker back in. I did just put in Rampant Growth in the last update, so I’m already up a ramp piece (5 now) to skip a turn for M&D. Sol Ring is a no go for me because of the total lack of synergy. Life from the Loam was cut in the last update for Ancient Greenwarden and the deck does not need a 4th effect like that I think. Eternal Witness is nice to have, especially with all the green creature tutors, so that is also a valid choice. Has creeped up on my maybe list rank recently because of Valakut Exploration. Depending on your meta, you can also consider something like Vexing Shusher for the spot.
- Ancient Tomb: I have a similar opinion on this land compared to hollow and kessig wolf run. They all provide a little something for the deck, but creating a spot for them is just terrible. Apart from Spikefield Hazard there are no lands I am willing to cut atm. Blast Zone has been a strong answer on a land so far that’s easily found. Khalni Garden has a lot of applications and synergy, Radiant Fountain I like for the same reasons as Retreat to Kazandu. Cryptic Caves and Temple of Abandon get you out of dead situations, which I value more than the benefits of the competition. Most other lands feel like they are kind of set in stone now.
1 month ago
TriusMalarky Shamans are so good. My favorite tribe, they have so many spell-on-a-stick creatures, though they're lacking in supporting their own tribe unfortunately. My faves to put out with the Emissary are Tilonalli's Summoner, Fauna Shaman, Bloodline Shaman, Wild Cantor (A druid, but it fits in this deck, Deathrite Shaman, Dark-Dweller Oracle, Sakura-Tribe Elder, Rix Maadi Reveler, and Vexing Shusher (Phenomenal card. I started playing during Lorwyn and the shusher was the first shaman I fell in love with. Unfortunately, a lot of the spell on a stick shamans are in the three and up range, though with Molten Echoes on the field I net four mana, which gives me a lot more range.
I think if i add in Rhythm of the wild as you suggested I could probably fit in fauna shaman or bloodline along with some persisters. Idk though, you've given me a lot to think about.
1 month ago
Great list, it feels solid. What are your opinions on Allosaurus Shepherd it makes sure you get a wort and makes most of your tutors uncounterable. A second Vexing Shusher is great I would think and with the amount of elven dorks you could feasibly knock out a player with the Shepherds pump ability.
1 month ago
Those are all fair enough points! I imagine it's just my play style that favours certain cards over others.
I think when I played, my meta was different as there was a lot of counter-magic! So I played accordingly!
Just a couple more thoughts;
At the risk of making the deck insanely expensive, have you considered fetch lands at all to deck thin and/or provide a shuffle for Conspicuous Snoop?
1 month ago
Okay, sorry for the delay. Was in the middle of a move.
So first I think some degree of stack interaction would benefit this deck. I don't know what your meta is like, but dealing with enemy control could be a serious pain as you try to establish yourself, so cards like Pyroblast, Red Elemental Blast, Deflecting Swat (or other efficient redirect effects), or even Veil of Summer and Vexing Shusher (use this guy!) could prove to be worth the card slots when the game comes down to protecting your board state or making sure one of your spells resolves.
As for general upgrades I would consider adding in more removal like Beast Within and swap out Wilt for Nature's Claim for the cheaper cost because I feel like the cycling isn't super necessary and 4 life is insignificant. Then, if losing the cycling really bothers you, you can throw in Runic Armasaur for some really sweet card draw that also fits your theme. Additionally, for some pseudo card draw that also has the potential to mess with your opponent's hands AND is most definitely a puzzle, there's Teferi's Puzzle Box. It's a wheel that keeps on wheeling.. sort of. I would recommend potentially adding in more land destruction like Wildfire, Decree of Annihilation, or Obliterate along with recursion for yourself through stuff like Life from the Loam, Ramunap Excavator, Crucible of Worlds, and Titania, Protector of Argoth. Speaking of her, Priest of Titania could probably replace Llanowar Visionary, and along with that, more cheap elf mana dorks i.e. Llanowar Elves and Fyndhorn Elves would do you a lot of good. If you go the MLD route stepping your ramp up is gonna be really important so you can rebuild your board before your opponents can (which is also why you have land recursion), so you might want stuff like Utopia Sprawl, Wild Growth, Carpet of Flowers, or even Exploration if you can swing it. Finally for some additional creature-based wincons, we could put in Conspicuous Snoop + Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker as well as Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker + Zealous Conscripts . To tutor for these you could use Goblin Recruiter to fetch Kiki-Jiki and Snoop, or Imperial Recruiter to tutor for a specific creature you need or just use him to get his gobbo friend and then assemble your win. Some additional misc. cards you might find fun and want to consider: Magus of the Moon, Bane of Progress, Null Rod, Trinisphere, Urabrask the Hidden, Woodland Bellower, Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger (don't do this to your friends lol), Ruination, Jokulhaups, and Root Maze.
Not all of this is going to fit in the budget you gave me, I just wanted to give you a lot of options and potentially stuff that you can build toward in the future if you decide you want to really invest in this deck. Hope this helps. :^)
1 month ago
Yeah I mean, I guess being aware of it is the best thing one can do, you know? Those ponza-style decks usually have some tells T1 and T2, so that even on game 1 one may sort of know Blood Moon might be coming. But of course it's super dependant on coin toss: on the play, even if they've got ramp (w/ Utopia Sprawl or whatever elf the're playing) you usually get 3 turns to set up your mana; on the draw, you may only have 1 or 2 turns, so it's super sketchy. Of course, adding x4 Noble Hierarch would help immensely, but you'd have to tear the creature package to pieces and it's not worth it.
Leaving the Blood Moon dilemma aside, I've got a few more questions for you if you don't mind:
What is the worst hand you'd keep? How many pieces of a combo do you need to see in your opener? I imagine this deck has so many winning combinations that you're never too far away from a combo, but still.
Do you sideboard at all? Take Vexing Shusher against an opponent with tons of counterspells, for example: have you got better access to the Vexing Shusher when it's in your sideboard through Glittering Wish, of when it's in your main deck through drawing + Chord of Calling? And in this example you don't really want to rely on Fiend Artisan's ability, because by that time you've likely been countered out of existence. To be fair, if you add the Vexing Shusher to the deck you can still get it w/ Glittering Wish, wishing for Eladamri's Call: but you're really susceptible to having this whole sequence countered.