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Foreboding Ruins Discussion
1 day ago
Cards I'd consider cutting: Nicol Bolas, God-Pharaoh, Rhystic Study, Counterflux, Cryptic Command, Sensei's Divining Top, Read the Bones, Solemn Simulacrum, Akoum Refuge, Choked Estuary, Foreboding Ruins, and one or 2 Island(s)
1 month ago
Hey, well done so far on a budget.
Some advice to consider is how to improve the manabase on a budget.
- Command Tower: staple land for two or more colored Commander decks.
- Exotic Orchard: staple land when playing three or more colors in multiplayer Commander
- Path of Ancestry: can make any color of mana.
These three lands are called Rainbow lands. Crumbling Necropolis is the Grixis Tri land, it can make any one color of mana you need.
These are budget Fetch lands to search for any basic land.
These two are Tango lands which care about lots of basic lands.
These are Reveal lands that also care about basic lands and have interaction with Tango lands.
Some lands to consider cutting:
- Temple of the False God: will not be able to tap for mana until your turn five or after since you're counting on only land drops to get to five or more lands.
- Dimir Guildgate, Izzet Guildgate and Rakdos Guildgate
- Some basic lands
Updated budget manabase example (38 lands, 24 blue mana sources, 21 black, 20 red):
- 9x Island
- 5x Swamp
- 5x Mountain
- Command Tower
- Exotic Orchard
- Path of Ancestry
- Crumbling Necropolis
- Grixis Panorama
- Ash Barrens
- Evolving Wilds
- Terramorphic Expanse
- Shivan Reef
- Sunken Hollow
- Smoldering Marsh
- Frostboil Snarl
- Choked Estuary
- Foreboding Ruins
- Darkwater Catacombs
- Shadowblood Ridge
- Temple of Deceit
- Temple of Epiphany
- Temple of Malice
Good luck with your deck.
2 months ago
Hey, nice budget version.
Here's two combos that give you repeatable value or can potentially win the game without having to attack with Vamps which in some situations is helpful in Commander.
- Oathsworn Vampire + Cruel Celebrant + Yahenni, Undying Partisan
- Captivating Vampire + Throne of the God-Pharaoh
Oathsworn Vampire + Cruel Celebrant + Yahenni, Undying Partisan is a Vamp combo because of Edgar's eminence to create as many Vamp tokens as mana you have available from repeatedly casting Oathsworn from your graveyard. This combo makes die triggers from Celebrant by sacing Oathsworn which is what lets you cast Oathsworn from your graveyard. Combine these Vamps with Cordial Vampire to make your Vamp army powerful with +1/+1 counters. Combine this combo with Captivating Vampire to gain control of a lot of your opponents creatures.
Bontu's Monument is nonVamp card that can replace Celebrant in the combo and it reduces the cost of Oathsworn to only one black mana. Blood Artist can also replace Celebrant. Viscera Seer is another Vamp sac outlet that could replace Yahenni in the combo.
Throne of the God-Pharaoh combines with Captivating Vampire and other Vamps to drain all your opponents life by tapping Vamps. Captivating can gain control of a creature and that creature can be your own creature repeatedly which means that if opponents don't have creatures to steal then you can continue activating Captivating.
Here's some suggestions of how to improve the manabase on a budget.
- Exotic Orchard --> Guildmages' Forum
- Caves of Koilos --> Scoured Barrens
- Battlefield Forge --> Bloodfell Caves
- Shineshadow Snarl --> Orzhov Basilica
- Foreboding Ruins --> Rakdos Carnarium
- Smoldering Marsh --> Temple of Malice
- Tainted Field --> Temple of Silence
- Tainted Peak --> Terramorphic Expanse
Good luck with your deck.
3 months ago
Are you still working on your mana base?
3 months ago
zapyourtumor Mana base is most assuredly where I need the most help. I'm a budget player and paying money for land kills me inside. But I definitely see that they make a deck more efficient.
I will include more untapped duals - likely your great suggestion of Foreboding Ruins and Dragonskull Summit at the least. I'm honestly not tooooo worried about having tons of black mana: in the ideal situation, the only black mana cost I have would be Claim . The only reason I'd need to hardcast Lightning Skelemental would be if I couldn't discard him with Cathartic Reunion or Lightning Axe .
That being said, would you still recommend more than 8 duals? I'm still new to this, so I'll heed your advice! And thanks so much for the help!
3 months ago
About the manabase:
1) The deck is aggressive and low to the ground so you want to curve out well and use the maximum amount of mana you can - this means that the budget taplands Bloodfell Caves should definitely be taken out.
2) You have very restrictive mana costs, specifically in Lightning Skelemental , so you definitely need to run a decent number of dual lands.
Because of these two reasons, I think you definitely need to add more dual lands (at least 8) even if you need to double the budget just because the deck suffers so much with the current manabase (because fucking WotC decided that lands were going to be the priciest thing to keep any deck running smoothly). The Dragonskull Summit s in the maybeboard should definitely be included. Smoldering Marsh would be good if you only ran 8 nonbasics, but if you decide to add more then I wouldn't put it in. Same with the Blightstep Pathway Flips, although they aren't as good as the summits for their cost. Foreboding Ruins is another option for less expensive duals, although for some reason the BR SOI lands are more expensive than the other ones.
You could probably also cut down a little on lands to 18-20, since you have Igneous Pouncer to help tutor your lands and mana fix.
4 months ago
Online class is in session, which just means I've got an excuse to post my suggestions now. My suggestions for lands are a doctrine I'm going to press on you; the following suggestions are just ideas that you can decline based on your taste. Overall, your list epitomizes the Commander format to me.
- LANDS MAN LANDS! You could have the best cards in every format and never play them when you need them because you're topdecking the wrong basics at the wrong time. There's budget options, not every mana base needs to be fetches and shocks. Prioritize your lands over cards that are powerful but not essential to your strategy. There are some specific lands that would be interesting in here too. I recommend prioritizing buying one or all of these cycles before buying stuff like Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth if you don't already have one. The basic land ratio can then be more specific once your lands are fixed, but that can be the last step of your construction.
Your Mardu and Commander staples: Command Tower , Savai Triome , Nomad Outpost , Exotic Orchard , Terramorphic Expanse , Evolving Wilds . I have a Forbidden Orchard that would be cool in this deck but would need to be part of a good deal (I'm strict about lands).
Your bicolored lands:
a. Pain lands: Caves of Koilos and Battlefield Forge are cheap as hell. Sulfurous Springs is the most expensive of these three but if you can get your cycle of lands for less than $15, it's still really good.
b. Filter lands: Graven Cairns , Rugged Prairie , Fetid Heath . You can get all three of these for $16 so it doesn't pass our test... but I have a Cairns for trade, bringing you to $12.50. These are good because you have some cards essential to your strategy that have double-colored-mana costs and others with multicolored costs. These are a great budget cycle, especially for your colors.
Less good bicolored lands that are require deckbuilding technique:
c. Check lands: these are fantastic if you have a good basic land ratio (why it would be important not to run both the thriving lands and the pathways at the same time as these)- Dragonskull Summit , Clifftop Retreat , Isolated Chapel
d. Pathway lands: Needleverge Pathway Flip, Brightclimb Pathway Flip, Blightstep Pathway Flip. You saw the foil full art Blightstep Pathway that was in my knight deck, you asked about the price when you said it was cool. I wouldn't necessarily go out of your way to buy these, but definitely seek them out in binders. If you're not running cards like Cultivate where you want to have some ratio of basic lands, these are strictly better than basic lands and could replace your Thriving Lands (which are a decent start; I have the nonred ones available).
- Curses, Vows, Impetuses: these could be cool, especially with the Sigarda's Aid you already own. Having these in your hand (and even better, a sigarda's aid in play) means when you say "if you attack this person instead of me, I'll reward you with ____" and bluff, or if someone attacks you you could flash in a Vow of Duty . I have most of these in the cube (as well as marchesa and the jankier cards in your deck), so you can try these out and see if you like them.
a. The other vows are Vow of Lightning , Vow of Torment , and Vow of Malice (quick trivia- there's two black vows because R&D has tried to ween off of intimidate and other mechanics like protection from [color] and likely didn't want to include it in Commander Legends).
b. More aggressive and prone to cause kamikaze-style attacks, the Impetuses are similar to the vows but definitely play very differently. Martial Impetus , Shiny Impetus , and Parasitic Impetus could even be considered removal for multiple creatures in combat if you flash them out with Sigarda's Aid.
c. Curses: Marchesa was the most popular commander for curses until Ghen, Arcanum Weaver was released. Curse of Chaos encourages the player with a shitty hand to swing in a bit. Curse of Bloodletting punishes the opponent who is too far ahead. Curse of Shallow Graves is cool at a table with Gedan's Varina, Lich Queen deck. The curses from Commander 2017- Curse of Opulence and Curse of Disturbance are the best in your deck as they also give you something when your opponent attacks them too. These are really the only curses that fit the theme and psychology of your deck by not making you a target IMO, but .
Removal: You have some "soft" enchantment synergy going on, so you might as well make it more broad. You're in the late game, you've got all your powerhouse enchantments in order and extra mana... why not cast Idyllic Tutor for whatever removal would smooth out your schemes? Darksteel Mutation shuts down commanders. Seal of Cleansing can be recurred with Hall of Heliod's Generosity . Dark Banishing is honestly a better run for your cash over Bedevil ... you're supposed to be able to convince those opponents to remove the black creature ;)
Individual cards: Gedan has a Rite of the Raging Storm you could get. Wishclaw Talisman is more on theme than Diabolic Tutor or cheaper than Infernal Tutor . This is the only deck I wanna see those and Grim Tutor in since I know what you tutor for will actually be interesting and not a combo piece. Sphere of Safety would be impenetrable and bait removal if you have the mana for it. I have a foil Keeper of the Accord somewhere but I don't know where it is. Commander's Sphere as a budget option for Chromatic Lantern , and if you build a solid budget land base the draw effect would be better (adding but lantern but not replacing would be good eventually)
Some cards I'd remove or wanted to comment on, but understand maybe stylistic or preferred: Sunforger can be a cool aikido spell tutor at instant speed. However, looking at your white instants, you have to spend 3 and then RW to save yourself with Angel's Grace . That could be a cool maneuver. I was also going to suggest dropping Akroma's Will until I saw Sunforger... that's fucking cool too, especially game changing after blockers are declared. Otherwise you're Mortify ing a creature, having your opponent talk to the Deflecting Palm , or Tear ing an enchantment in half. Batwing Brume wouldn't do anything with Sunforger. Therefore Sunforger basically has two game-changing effects and three utility effects, but I'd suggest keeping an eye on Sunforger to see how often the 3RW cost is available and worth it. The fewer cards you're dependent on, the more decentralized your strategy is, making it way harder to compete against (I'm saying this both critically and in favor of Sunforger- just keep it in mind). Torment of Hailfire wins you the game, but isn't gonna be less than $15 in the next couple years. You might not need it. Revival / Revenge can make you one of six creatures or one of three opponents an enemy- it seems like there are better cards you could play. Revel in Riches makes you a threat that your opponents need to race against, and I (genuinely) don't know if that's a position you want or if you want to maintain your monarch status. Try to think of when you want to win with this deck- by beating down your opponents individually, by beating them all at once, by spontaneously winning, or by drawing the game out for as long as possible and having the best resources throughout the game.
I haven't been able to analyze most of my own decks this intensively in a while, your design is competitive while still unique and interesting. Knowing your play style and how well it fits to this too also helps me suggest cards- it's the difference between auto-generating a deck from EDHRec and building a deck. I haven't been super inspired in the decks I've been building for myself, but this one of yours has me just as interested in the game as you now.
7 months ago
Hey, good start on a budget.
Cards to consider cutting to make 100 cards:
- Beacon of Immortality
- Kazarov, Sengir Pureblood
- Vein Drinker
- Defiant Bloodlord
- Grisly Spectacle
- Archetype of Finality
- Arvad the Cursed
- Teysa Karlov
- Captivating Crew
- Bishop of Binding
- Regal Bloodlord
- Tempt with Immortality
- Solar Blaze
- Commander's Insignia
The cuts to consider above will reduce the mana curve a lot, but consider reducing it even more by adding more low CMC Vamps: one drops and two drops? With Edgar you want an established battlefield of Vamps to attack before you cast him. Lower CMC Vamps gives you more Vamps on the battlefield because each one also creates a Vamp token. Edgar is the high CMC Vamp you want to cast more the than the others therefore you don't really need lots of other high CMC Vamps or even high CMC nonVamp cards.
Vamps to consider adding that are $1-$2 each, most are less than $1:
- Knight of the Ebon Legion
- Vampire of the Dire Moon
- Shadow Alley Denizen
- Vampire Cutthroat
- Cordial Vampire
- Gifted Aetherborn
- Legion Lieutenant
- Olivia's Bloodsworn
- Nullpriest of Oblivion
If your budget allows more then these tribal Vamps are powerful upgrades:
- Captivating Vampire
- Drana, Liberator of Malakir
- Bloodline Keeper Flip
- Sanctum Seeker
- Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose
Some budget land upgrades for the manabase:
- Unclaimed Territory
- Caves of Koilos
- Concealed Courtyard
- Battlefield Forge
- Exotic Orchard
- Tainted Field
- Foreboding Ruins
- Brightclimb Pathway Flip
- Needleverge Pathway Flip
- Temple of Silence
- Temple of Triumph
- Temple of Malice
If interested I offer more advice. Good luck with your deck.