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|Duel Decks: Elspeth vs. Kiora (DDO)||Mythic Rare|
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Elspeth, Sun's Champion
Planeswalker — Elspeth
+1: Put Three 1/1 white Soldier creature tokens onto the battlefield.
-3: Destroy all creatures with power 4 or greater.
-7: You get an emblem with "Creatures you control get +2/+2 and have flying."
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Elspeth, Sun's Champion Discussion
4 days ago
5 days ago
Daedalus19876 Thank you very much for your feedback. The cards you mentioned from my maybes were pretty much the exact ones I've selected so that's very reassuring.
All the other suggestions are great, thank you. I was already swapping Luminarch Ascension for Bitterblossom so good to get your encouragement on that swap. I don't own Vampiric Tutor atm. My current budget substitute is Diabolic Intent which I could use for the same purpose. Any other card draw you could reccomend in place of Damnable Pact ? I just bought a copy of Tymna the Weaver so I guess I can swap in her for Pact. I think Altar's Reap is possibly weak too, but I do sorta like having a surprise instant speed sac effect.
I should have explained but I don't tend to run Toxic Deluge at the moment because there is one guy in our playgroup who always plays big mana big creature green based decks with commmanders including Arixmethes and xenagos. He also runs lots of cards that double creatures power and double +1+1 counters etc so the creatures often end up extremely big so Elenda, the Dusk Rose is often not the biggest creature and Toxic Deluge frustratingly is just not as good as usual against his decks as the amount of life you have to pay is sometimes huge and sometimes even unpayable. It's possible the card is still good enough tho and I should give it more of a try because maybe I've underestimated how I can gain that life back same turn or get to a life total where I can pay. I run Path to Exile over Swords to Plowshares for a similar reason but again I'm open to trying out Swords to Plowshares especially as this friend is moving this month so the meta is going to change.
This decklist is still in quite an experimental stage and The Elderspell is something I have been just trying, partly as an alt wincon with the new Liliana, Dreadhorde General . I agree that it seems loose and I should cut it for one of the ones you highly recommend like Reaper from the Abyss .
I have a copy of Bolas's Citadel and would never have thought of it for this deck so thanks so much for that idea. I'll def try it. I will add back Swiftfoot Boots too but I cut Lightning Greaves because it stops me targeting Elenda, the Dusk Rose with effects like Hatred and Shizo, Death's Storehouse . Do you def think Lightning Greaves is better given that drawback?
One new card I was extremely impressed with was God-Eternal Bontu I ended up 1v1 against my friend on a Ruric Thar deck and I was recurring Bontu and he was recurring Ilharg, the Raze-Boar and the card advantage from Bontu in a token deck won out.
1 week ago
Of those stax pieces you list, Meekstone is fine, since it only affects Sliver Queen herself from your deck (or rather, that's the only creature that wouldn't untap that matters as an attacker), and shuts down opponents trying to attack you. The others are all fairly weak. Those are typically used as ways of stalling the game - playing them early to slow down your opponents. The problem is, in a walker deck like this, you don't have many ways to get around their effects to make them one-sided, and you really need your mana to be able to deploy your more expensive threats. You can't afford to not be untapping your lands.
Good job on the cuts so far. I would still recommend cutting Angrath, Captain of Chaos - his 2-use ability that makes a 2/2 and then either a replacement 2/2 or turns the first one into a 4/4 isn't great. Regardless of whether or not you decide to go in a more creature-ish direction, he's just not that strong. The menace ability only becomes good if you've got a LOT of creatures in the deck, and ideally big ones that will trade favorably when they do get double-blocked, so even if you decide to take this in a more tokeny direction he's not likely to be impressive.
Xenagos, the Reveler is nowhere near being a Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip or a Gaea's Cradle . Those are both lands, so they're harder to remove, and at least Growing Rites adds mana after a board wipe, plus can help you find creatures if you don't have any when you play it. And more to the point... are either Growing Rites or Gaea's Cradle good in your deck? If not, then he's not either. He makes 2/2s with haste. That's fine, but not strong. He makes a very small amount of mana. That's also fine, but not strong. His ult is nearly useless to you.
Compare Angrath and Xenagos to the other walkers you have that spit out creatures:
Vraska, Relic Seeker
makes a 2/2 as well, but hers has menace built in, and more importantly, her other two abilities are VERY strong.
Ugin, the Ineffable makes a 2/2 as well, but his effectively draws you a card when it dies, and his other ability is quite strong.
Liliana, Dreadhorde General makes a 2/2 as well, but hers also draws you a card when it dies, and she's got two more very powerful abilities.
Garruk Wildspeaker makes you a 3/3, and ramps you regardless of whether or not you've got a creature in play already.
Garruk, Apex Predator makes a 3/3 with deathtouch, and has two very relevant other abilities PLUS a player-killing ult.
Elspeth, Knight-Errant only makes a 1/1, but she ticks up while she does it, or can grant a powerful buff to a creature you already have, and her ult is game winning.
Elspeth, Sun's Champion only makes 1/1s, but makes three at a time, and can also board wipe.
Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast only makes a 1/1, but if your opponent can't make you block with it his other ability makes it become free removal.
Saheeli, Sublime Artificer only makes a 1/1, but does it for free and as many times as you can cast noncreatures in a turn.
1 week ago
Ancient Tomb , Mana Vault , and Mana Crypt are probably the hardest to replace. Tomb could probably be replaced by Crystal Vein or Svyelunite Temple or just another land, same with Flooded Strand . The mana rocks(and Mox Amber ) could be swapped with any of the mana rocks in the sideboard.
The Ajani Steadfast , Elspeth, Knight-Errant , Thassa, God of the Sea , and Venser, the Sojourner you would probably want to swap out for evasion effects ( Ghostform , Levitation , etc) or other voltrony stuff ( Sword of Vengeance and stuff).
Finally, the weird stuff that hates down creatures ( Crawlspace , Elspeth, Sun's Champion , and Retribution of the Meek ) could be replaced with another sub-theme, if you swap out the rest of that stuff as well.
To be honest, hating down big creatures is a meta build. My playgroup is a lot of non-competitive combo and big beats, and this deck can prey on both of them pretty well.
2 weeks ago
For the record, my top ten walkers from your deck would be (in alphabetical order):
Ajani, the Greathearted
Elspeth, Sun's Champion
Liliana, Dreadhorde General
Sorin, Grim Nemesis
Tamiyo, Field Researcher
Tamiyo, the Moon Sage
Teferi, Temporal Archmage
Tezzeret the Seeker
Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
2 weeks ago
3 weeks ago
It seems like you are trying too hard to force 3 separate strategies together when you could just focus on one and have only the very best cards that do the other two things and work with your main strategy. Cathars' Crusade would fit with this regardless, and I feel as though Elspeth, Sun's Champion would be strong as well. My suggestion would be to focus on your token plan. If you are dead set on having 2 be equal, I would at least back off the death triggers and stick with +1/+1 and tokens.
Elspeth, Sun's Champion occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.06%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.07%
W/B (Orzhov): 0.5%
GW (Selesnya): 0.8%