Black Vise

Black Vise


As Black Vise enters the battlefield, choose an opponent.

At the beginning of the chosen player's upkeep, Black Vise deals X damage to that player, where X is the number of cards in his or her hand minus 4.

Black Vise Discussion

criscofieldsforever on Dicktouch

4 weeks ago

My thoughts on removing cards is pile them in their uses, card advantage, ramp, utility and cut too much redundancy. I'd suggest cards to cut being Black Vise, Paralyze and the Wellsprings because they aren't too great. You do need some other ramp and card advantage as well. Sign in Blood and Cultivate are all-stars in this format. Harmonize too. If your play group has heavy lands that need to be removed keep in the Sinkhole but if not it is a dead card in hand. Also targeted removal of problem artifacts or enchantments may help the deck. Windgrace's Judgment in your colors is great. I'd suggest cutting some of the one drop 1/1s because you have a bunch. A lot of deck building comes from your meta (who you play) so design decks to hose your "friends".

Funkydiscogod on Sygg, River Cutthroat EDH Suggestions

5 months ago

My first thought was Magmatic Force and Havoc Festival to draw a card every turn. but neither work because your commander identifies as blue and black.

I did a gatherer search for black and blue cards that deal damage during each upkeep, and the results are interesting: Most of them dealt with hand size.

There are only 2 unconditional damage artifacts:

And there were two other outliers:

SprkySprkyBoomMan on Goblins assemble!

6 months ago

I’m currently considering taking out Unsummon , Counterspell and 1x Black Vise .

For 3x Curiosity , because I usually lose if I burn away my hand (which is easy to do lol), and I don’t have any creatures in play. Curiosity should help with burning through cards.

The other card I want to try is 3x Raze , but I’m mixed on this idea. I usually only play 4-5 land par game. I’m scared this might not be a good idea.

Would 3x Raze even be enough to make land destruction effective in this deck?

Keeping Unsummon on the back burner.

More testing needed. Always with the more testing lol.

Liliana69X on Goblins assemble!

6 months ago

DreadKhan: Goblin Guide and Black Vise is not a combo, period. its definitely not "turning games to his favor he wouldn't have won otherwise". if the opponent isn't drawing well (the requirement for vise to work at all, given the current list) then the reason this deck wins is because the opponent didn't draw well, not because of vise.

Liliana69X on Goblins assemble!

6 months ago

Evolving Wilds is pretty bad. you want Scalding Tarn and Volcanic Island . definitely keep Lightning Bolt . its too good not to use. Goblin Guide and Black Vise are not a "combo". it can't possibly be a "big part of winning" with this deck. you're not guaranteed to add a card to their hand, and the damage from Black Vise is mediocre at best. usually just gonna be a dead card. if your opponent has 5+ cards in hand, they'll be casting those cards. i'd advice getting rid of Black Vise entirely.

SprkySprkyBoomMan on Beefy Budget Pox

6 months ago

I see you found a card simulator to Black Vise that works the opposite.

The Rack with Bottomless Pit seems like a great combo! Also I thought you didn’t want a combo deck. But seems like a lot slower way of winning a game. Especially if you take out most of your creatures.

I like your first idea, it’s simple. Clear the field so big guys can swing.

SideBae on Oona's Horde

8 months ago

So the ‘classic’ build for Oona, Queen of the Fae involves infinite-mana loops. Strionic Resonator + Basalt Monolith , Basalt Monolith / Grim Monolith + Power Artifact , or Isochron Scepter + Dramatic Reversal +rocks are the typical paths there. I understand if you don’t want to go infinite, though.

Ashnod's Altar is great for using tokens to power subsequent mills.

Ramp is at a premium in UB. Dimir Signet , Talisman of Dominance , Mana Vault , Coldsteel Heart , Sky Diamond , Charcoal Diamond , Mind Stone , Fellwar Stone , and (if you have access) Mox Diamond and/or Mana Crypt are excellent includes.

If you choose to include an artifact ramp package, which I highly advise you do, then thirty-nine lands becomes way too many. I’d recommend cutting six or seven.

With Laboratory Maniac , Demonic Consultation becomes an absurd card. Crafting your mana base to only have one basic and one snow-basic of each type allows you to run Tainted Pact , which I like more.

Ponder and Preordain are nearly auto-includes in blue EDH decks. Brainstorm is good if the deck has fetches, even if they’re the slow fetches like Bad River .

I agree with xaarvaxus: Black Vise seems sub-optimal here. I actually think the whole ‘punish for number of cards in hand’ theme is sub optimal; with Oona, Queen of the Fae as the main win-con and Laboratory Maniac as a backup, damage plans feel superfluous. I advise sticking with the other two win-cons, and utilize the new slots to further that plan.

Good luck. Lemme know if you need more help.

xaarvaxus on Oona's Horde

8 months ago

With your discard theme I'm not sure Black Vise is going to be optimally effective. Maybe replace with Altar of the Brood ?

You have Glen Elendra Archmage on your list twice [different art]

If you can get a Black Market to stick in play, it should gather a decent number of counters and help power up Oona's activated ability.

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