As Black Vise enters the battlefield, choose an opponent.
At the beginning of the chosen player's upkeep, Black Vise deals X damage to that player, where X is the number of cards in his or her hand minus 4.
Printings View all
|Masterpiece Series: Kaladesh Inventions (MPS)||Mythic Rare|
|From the Vault: Relics (V10)||Mythic Rare|
|Masters Edition III (ME3)||Rare|
|Fourth Edition (4ED)||Uncommon|
|4th Edition Foreign Black Border (4EDFBB)||Uncommon|
|Revised Edition (3ED)||Uncommon|
|Revised Foreign Black Border (3EDFBB)||Uncommon|
|Unlimited Edition (2ED)||Uncommon|
|Collector's Edition (CED)||Uncommon|
|International Collector's Edition (CEI)||Uncommon|
|Limited Edition Beta (LEB)||Uncommon|
|Limited Edition Alpha (LEA)||Uncommon|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Black Vise Discussion
3 months ago
I did a gatherer search for black and blue cards that deal damage during each upkeep, and the results are interesting: Most of them dealt with hand size.
- Black Vise
- Ebony Owl Netsuke
- Iron Maiden
- Mask of Intolerance
- Misers' Cage
- Paupers' Cage
- The Rack
- Blood Clock
- Wheel of Torture
- Dark Suspicions
- Davriel, Rogue Shadowmage
- Price of Knowledge
- Stabwhisker the Odious
- Quest for the Nihil Stone
- Shrieking Affliction
There are only 2 unconditional damage artifacts:
And there were two other outliers:
4 months ago
For 3x Curiosity , because I usually lose if I burn away my hand (which is easy to do lol), and I don’t have any creatures in play. Curiosity should help with burning through cards.
The other card I want to try is 3x Raze , but I’m mixed on this idea. I usually only play 4-5 land par game. I’m scared this might not be a good idea.
Would 3x Raze even be enough to make land destruction effective in this deck?
Keeping Unsummon on the back burner.
More testing needed. Always with the more testing lol.
4 months ago
DreadKhan: Goblin Guide and Black Vise is not a combo, period. its definitely not "turning games to his favor he wouldn't have won otherwise". if the opponent isn't drawing well (the requirement for vise to work at all, given the current list) then the reason this deck wins is because the opponent didn't draw well, not because of vise.
4 months ago
Evolving Wilds is pretty bad. you want Scalding Tarn and Volcanic Island . definitely keep Lightning Bolt . its too good not to use. Goblin Guide and Black Vise are not a "combo". it can't possibly be a "big part of winning" with this deck. you're not guaranteed to add a card to their hand, and the damage from Black Vise is mediocre at best. usually just gonna be a dead card. if your opponent has 5+ cards in hand, they'll be casting those cards. i'd advice getting rid of Black Vise entirely.
4 months ago
I see you found a card simulator to Black Vise that works the opposite.
The Rack with Bottomless Pit seems like a great combo! Also I thought you didn’t want a combo deck. But seems like a lot slower way of winning a game. Especially if you take out most of your creatures.
I like your first idea, it’s simple. Clear the field so big guys can swing.
6 months ago
So the ‘classic’ build for Oona, Queen of the Fae involves infinite-mana loops. Strionic Resonator + Basalt Monolith , Basalt Monolith / Grim Monolith + Power Artifact , or Isochron Scepter + Dramatic Reversal +rocks are the typical paths there. I understand if you don’t want to go infinite, though.
Ashnod's Altar is great for using tokens to power subsequent mills.
Ramp is at a premium in UB. Dimir Signet , Talisman of Dominance , Mana Vault , Coldsteel Heart , Sky Diamond , Charcoal Diamond , Mind Stone , Fellwar Stone , and (if you have access) Mox Diamond and/or Mana Crypt are excellent includes.
If you choose to include an artifact ramp package, which I highly advise you do, then thirty-nine lands becomes way too many. I’d recommend cutting six or seven.
With Laboratory Maniac , Demonic Consultation becomes an absurd card. Crafting your mana base to only have one basic and one snow-basic of each type allows you to run Tainted Pact , which I like more.
I agree with xaarvaxus: Black Vise seems sub-optimal here. I actually think the whole ‘punish for number of cards in hand’ theme is sub optimal; with Oona, Queen of the Fae as the main win-con and Laboratory Maniac as a backup, damage plans feel superfluous. I advise sticking with the other two win-cons, and utilize the new slots to further that plan.
Good luck. Lemme know if you need more help.
6 months ago
You have Glen Elendra Archmage on your list twice [different art]
If you can get a Black Market to stick in play, it should gather a decent number of counters and help power up Oona's activated ability.
6 months ago
I don't think that Deathbringer Thoctar is worth it. He is simply to slow and isn't on the same page with what the rest of the deck is trying to do.
I also don't think that Whispersilk Cloak or Swiftfoot Boots are worth it. The likely hood that you are going to draw them is slim and for little reward. If you remove all of what I have mentioned you have room to add either (or any combination of) Shrieking Affliction or Black Vise . Since you are making them discard, hopefully they will eventually not have a hand and these will be a huge win condition in a single and multiplayer game.
I'm not sure that Mind Slash is worth it either, as the only card you have that you can freely sacrifice is Reassembling Skeleton . Instead I would recommend adding 2 Waste Not as he will help you strengthen your board or hand. I realize this is in your maybe board, but I think your main board could very much so benefit form having at least 2 Waste Not . It might even be worth it to remove ravens crime if you replace it with Shrieking Affliction or Black Vise .
I also so that you have removed Slaughter Games and I don't think that was good.I think that this deck would very heavily benefit from 3 Slaughter Games in your sideboard. If you lose the first game, sideboard them in and take out something important.
It might also be worth it to try to squeeze in some Raven's Crime .