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Lands don't untap during their controllers' untap steps.
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player untaps a land he or she controls.
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Rising Waters Discussion
3 weeks ago
1 month ago
Interesting list. Some notes:
I dislike the anti-synergy between Null Rod / Stony Silence on the one hand and Birthing Pod and your rocks on the other. I would consider doubling up on 1CMC dorks to break the symmetry - this list could use Avacyn's Pilgrim and Llanowar Elves (et al) and if you add them you can probably drop down to 31 or even 30 lands. I also think you should cut Nissa, Vital Force - it just isn't impactful enough for a 5CMC card. Missing some cheap interaction - would definitely add Mental Misstep, Swords to Plowshares and Nature's Claim. I think Rising Waters is too expensive for a Worb variant - at least you can justify Hokori since you can pod it and it gives Derevi driggers.
2 months ago
Cards I'd recommend-
To help your creatures get through-
And if you want everyone to hate you...
4 months ago
Hey, fr competitives spiel bist du vieEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeEEEeeeel zu langsamn.Folgende karten mssen verschwinden..Aqueous Form, Brave the Sands, Counterbalance, Damping Field, Triclopean Sight, Grim Guardian, Underworld Coinsmith, eine von beiden reicht.. du durchsuchst eh deine bib.Rule of Law or Arcane Laboratory, bei der bin ich mir nicht so sicher.Rising Waters?
Folgende Karten sind no brainer.. die musst du einfach spielen :)Dimir Signet, Azorius Signet, Sol Ring, Talisman of Dominance, Talisman of Progress, Swiftfoot Boots, Lightning Greaves, Arcane Denial, Counterspell, Swan Song,
damit dein Deck wirklich gut funktioniert reichts immer noch nicht.. aber so knnte es mal gefhrlich werden am Tisch :)
Hoffe ich konnte etwas helfen, meld dich einfach wenn du noch was wissen mchtest.
4 months ago
Anyways went 2/3 today and won 2x Fatal Push, both wins were by turn 3. Only game I lost was due to a Stasis lock and me missing my own land untaps from Rising Waters due to not catching that the untap is on upkeep... lesson learned (RTFC) and it won't happen again. Also added Reconnaissance to combat the inability to untap.
4 months ago
Thanks for the ideas, lordjavoreos999. You're right, combos can be helpful, but I didn't want this deck to focus on them, or be too full of them. I wanted to focus on hating people out of the game and drawing it out painfully instead of a combo win. I have the Arcanis the Omnipotent + Mind Over Matter combo in a Memnarch deck that I play, and it works quite well at drawing most of the deck in one turn. I'll try it out in this deck, and I'll toss in Laboratory Maniac too in order to make it a win condition.
As for speed, the deck actually holds up pretty well. There are only a few cards in the deck that happen to be super expensive. Cards like Nature's Will and Derevi, Empyrial Tactician's ability allow me to untap my lands after combat, even with something like Stasis, Rising Waters Hokori, Dust Drinker, etc. out. That's usually enough to cast anything I need, since there are only 14 cards in the deck that cost more than 4 mana.
Thanks for commenting, I appreciate the ideas to think about!
5 months ago
Been a while since I commented. I'll try to respond primarily to those points that others haven't already addressed.
Thought-Knot Seer is expensive to cast and doesn't really perform a vital function in this deck, given that its abilities don't have a high impact.
Stax is a challenge. This deck does have the means to outpace some stax decks by ramping extremely aggressively, but sacrifice engines in particular are effective at keeping utility creatures from having a great deal of impact. I haven't played in several years (apart from the casual 60-card game here or there), so I'm not really qualified anymore to assess how this deck competes with more modern Tier 1-Tier 2 stax decks.
This deck would rather not play Zendikar Resurgent or Mana Reflection because they need to be hard cast and are more difficult to find. Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger would be a stronger choice in that respect (because it's Tooth and Nailable), but even then it hasn't made the cut. I leave that to players' discretion, though. Some people may find that the redundancy is important in their meta.
As a combo deck, this deck can normally outpace most noncombo aggro decks. Certain commander damage decks can pose a threat if unanswered. And don't forget that you can chump block with utility creatures if you have to. Surviving in a difficult position is preferable to being out of the game entirely.
I do feel that way about Consecrated Sphinx from time to time. Unfortunately, having not played in a true competitive multiplayer environment in a long time, I can't say with certainty whether it needs to be replaced. The mana cost is the biggest downside, but it's a powerful backup draw engine that's much less risky than Damia herself.
Stroke of Genius is serviceable, and there are ways to recur cards from the graveyard just as there are ways to get them back from the library. I use Blue Sun's Zenith because mana is not an issue by the combo turn and the win con is safer (from hate effects) in the library than in the yard.
Timetwister is an interesting choice, and certainly something that becomes more potent as this deck becomes faster. I would test it.
Arbor Elf ramps, but Crop Rotation does not. I'm not sure if they're comparable in terms of slot consumption. In some metas, the land tutor may be more important because there may be a greater dependence on cards like Boseiju, Who Shelters All.
I don't recommend playing Demonic Consultation unless you're playing Laboratory Maniac, and I don't really think this deck wants to play either (although it could be built in such a way that they're more viable). Demonic Consultation presents the issue of exiling potentially necessary win conditions in order to find a combo piece, and it's never really completely safe to use. Similarly, Tainted Pact isn't in the deck (and is actually covered in the "Omissions" section). I don't think there are many cases where I'd so desperately need a single card that I could risk potentially exiling every other card for it.
It's true that Crucible of Worlds is a good card, but every card in this deck is a good card. Crucible of Worlds doesn't really provide necessary functionality to this deck, though, so I wouldn't call it one of the best cards and similarly wouldn't be able to justify increasing its redundancy at the expense of some other functionality.
Lots of feedback there. I'll try to respond to as much as I have space for.
Rising Waters is an issue because this deck really wants to maximize its mana availability.
Future Sight was in a much earlier version of the deck, but was cut because the cost outweighed the value. Some people may prefer to run it, but I don't.
Pendrell Mists is a good stax card, but this isn't a stax deck. I'd rather keep my utility creatures at the risk of letting other people keep theirs.
Autumn's Veil has some potential. I've never really experimented with it in the 99, though.
Night's Whisper is not as preferable as a draw engine, in my opinion.
Notion Thief could be good in some cases, and I haven't actually tested it in the deck, but there weren't very many times where I think I would have (and would prefer to spend) the mana on it given its inconsistency from game to game.
Brainstorm was in an earlier version of the deck, and it could still justifiably be run given all of the fetch lands, but I prefer to spend the slot on other cards.
Baleful Strix doesn't really do enough to justify spending the mana.
Trinket Mage is a more expensive and more limited tutor than those already in the deck.
Arcane Denial is in the deck because it's a hard counter for , which I'll gladly take in the final turn.
Three Visits and Nature's Lore are important ramp cards and cannot be cut. Skyshroud Claim could potentially be cut on a cost basis, but it's very powerful and pays for half of its own cost on resolution.
Mindslaver is not something this deck needs. I don't really want to spend to control someone's turn if I could spend much less to get myself closer to actually winning. It's not good without a recursion combo or when facing multiple opponents.
Academy Ruins could be played, but I don't really need to recur any of the artifacts in this deck as much as I need access to on-color mana.
Omniscience is not necessary. My primary win con is an spell, which doesn't benefit at all from Omniscience and does benefit from an infinite mana combo (the latter of which enables just as many other cards as the former).