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Norn's Annex Discussion
5 days ago
1 week ago
Megrim, just isn't that efficient, if you want the Megrim effect I'd suggest Liliana's Caress as there is a big difference between two mana and three. Mind Rot, his a similar issue, I'd suggest Tasigur's Cruelty or Delirium Skeins as an alternative. I also rather like Blackmail and Mire's Toll in discard decks, since both have the ability to hit lands. An alternative finisher might help too; Torment of Hailfire or Rakdos's Return would potentially fit. Norn's Annex isn't Ensnaring Bridge but it could fill a similar role, even at the cost of 4 life it probably saves you more than that in damage. Hope this is of some help, good luck brewing your deck.
1 week ago
Nice brew, neat idea to counter those clunky and annoying Vannifars!
As smne who played Mono-W Stax for a while, with the amazing Hokori, Dust Drinker at the helm, I'll share with you what thoughts inspire me your sweet Linvala decklist.
(Even if it has already been pointed out before, I wanna say that I also love the Urborg combo. It's unexpectable and freakin' gud!)
Let's start by the beginning: mana fixation. Extraplanar Lens is insane in every monocolored archetype, so it's a quite logic inclusion you made here. Nonetheless, I suggest you to go for Snow-covered lands to synergize better with it - that way you won't give a lift to your opponents playing white.
Pearl Medallion and Sol Ring are basics, nothing really worth to say about it. Thran Dynamo and Worn Powerstone are more debatable. I don't know what is your budget issue, but if you want a competitve list, Mana Crypt , Mana Vault , Grim Monolith , Mind Stone , Everflowing Chalice etc. are all better options. Dynamo and Powerstone aren't bad cards, but they just come after those ones if you really do need a solid ''ramp'' package.
Opal Palace feels badly slow and ineffective in a monocolored stax deck. You won't win the game by taking up the board with your creatures armed of a little +1/+1 counter.
You have notable exclusions in your lands for a mono-white. Eiganjo Castle is the first card that comes through mind. Buried Ruin also is a recursive tool you should consider, even over Inventors' Fair . If you manage to find one, Ancient Tomb has its place there replacing Temple of the False God .
At its final shape, my Hokori decklist was running a powerful Crucible of Worlds package including Wasteland , Strip Mine , Dust Bowl , Flagstones of Trokair , Lotus Vale and City of Traitors . I was up to 39 lands, not counting Maze of Ith .
Now let's jump straight into your gameplan!
So... you're planning to focus your eyes on ruining Vannifar's day. To help with this strategy of being the nasty ''combo killer'' guy, I think you should put in some additional pieces of disruption.
That said, I don't know which Vannifar's version(s) your playgroup perform with. If it's a Thornbite Staff / Intruder Alarm one, things would be easier to calm down and you won't need such a heavy stax package - you'll need more single-target/multi-target removals though. And if it's the other one, certainly the most popular now (and also the most powerful/absurd), based on many shenanigans around the creatures Vannifar brings to the table, you'll need more stax support.
One of the very best cards you could add to stop all those creature-centered combos is Humility . This card is broken, this card is stupid. It even disables etb abilities. The only way your opponent has to go through is to destroy it with a creatureless source / or with a ''casting'' effect (like Ulamog has).
Single-handly, Humility tears apart most of the competitive Vannifar lists. However, based on the fact that it is still fragile to enchantments/permanents removals, you'll have to build a defensive shield for your stuff. Vannifar lists often keep a strong package of cheap permanents' removals in their pocket (like Beast Within for example), so you'll need to play carefully.
There's a lot of different ways you can head in order to reinforce your permanents' presence on the battlefield. A pretty simple and most of the time effective, despite of its ccm, you already included is Avacyn, Angel of Hope . I think you still lack a way to cheat her casting cost out to make her a stable and destructive power house.
Stax ''enchantment'' strategy is imo one of the most viable and solid strategy. With Academy Rector (amazing alongside your High Market ), you'll be able to search the exact piece you need to lock the game in your favor.
Notable stax exclusions :
Static Orb > staple
Storage Matrix > staple
Arena of the Ancients > staple
Thalia, Heretic Cathar > staple
Lodestone Golem > Considering all the artifacts you're playing, ~ seems like a consistent pick for your draft.
Ethersworn Canonist > personal preference there. I always loved ~ in my stax deck. Synergizes well with Teshar.
Phyrexian Revoker > another personal preference. Always found ~ useful.
Pithing Needle > destroys Vannifar for 1 mana.
Orb of Dreams > more of an Hokori all stars card, but could also be good here.
Sphere of Resistance > staple, should be played carefully to slow down your opponents combos and not threw away as soon as possible like I see many people casting it
Mana Tithe > unexpected white counterspell - another Hokori all stars... I don't know if it would be any good there
Other cards to consider :
Platinum Angel > slow down combos, create a premium target for every combo player removals.
Greater Auramancy > protection for your enchantments
Sensei's Divining Top > not the best card draw you could find, but provides something White struggles to accomplish
Barl's Cage > strong mana sink against Vannifar and creature-heavy decks
Condemn > more removals
Abolish > more removals
Dispatch > more removals
Catastrophe > clears everything except enchantments/artifacts
Approach of the Second Sun > win con
Idyllic Tutor > searching for Humility
A bunch of meta depending stax tools :
Cards I'd cut from your list :
Martyr's Bond > Slow and unreliable on this brew. As you're not sacrificing any kind of permanent on your own, you'll struggle to get any value out of it outside of a lost political blast deflagrating when the game should already be over. Unless you add in some cards like World Queller , it defenitly doesn't deserve a slot imo.
Bishop of Rebirth > a lot of people seems to give love to this card recently. However, I personally think it is just a bad inclusion. You spend 5 mana on a understated body and you have to wait a whole turn before getting value out of it IF you are in the researched scenario. There will be times where you have Boots or Greaves on board and this will be an insane mini-Sun Titan, but the situation is too rare to justify its presence.
Sublime Archangel > No real interest here. Good creature but doesn't provide anything for the stax strategy.
Gift of Immortality / True Conviction > weird ''win con'' heavily situational cards based on creatures. There is some logic behind Gift, but it's just too much of a unreliable idea. True Conviction has nothing to do here... it's 6 mana spend to lose the control on the game. If you're searching for card advantage and a bit of healing, go for the brand new Dawn of Hope (also is a good mana sink).
Blackblade Reforged > intersting alternative win con. Feels slow nonetheless.
Emeria Shepherd > too slow for my liking.
Whispersilk Cloak > can't understand what this does in a deck full of flyiers and tapping effects.
Finally, as you want to challenge Vannifar, which is a blue deck, you'll need something to deal with the classical Cyclonic Rift . Teferi's Protection is a good solution (and it could also protects you form a lot of various situations / removals / etc.), but I'm sure you can find a lot of other response.
I hope you'll find useful ideas in this comment. Thanks a lot for sharing this, it reminds me good times. Keep up the good work, keep up brewing!
3 weeks ago
Darth_Savage First of all, thanks for such an in-depth reply. I can really appreciate feedback that involved more than 5 seconds of thought. Let me try to address some of the feedback you gave me, and give you some insight into some of my choices. Let me preface this by saying that I haven't really done much with this deck in at least a year. As the sideboard meta in modern shifted more heavily towards artifact hate (due to Tron, KCI, Lantern, and others), any/all variations of lantern control went right down the toilet. So with that said, I became okay with the fact that this deck was going to be more of a casual fnm homebrew than a competitive netdeck variant.
1.) " Ghostly Prison or Norn's Annex aren't Ensnaring Bridge, but they would offer some protection." -True. However, simply put.. they are just less effective Ensnaring Bridges, attempting to do the same thing, but not as well. The whole point was to move this deck away from relying so heavily on a stall tactic like Ensnaring Bridge .
2.) "Your other options are fogs Holy Day / Ethereal Haze , these only stall a turn, or you could try bounce Boomerang / Vapor Snag , lastly there is Silence ." -Again, you're not wrong when you think along the lines of "stalling", but when you try to think about how to manage a lantern deck without a heavy stall mechanic, then you start to realize that none of these are good options. Not only do they just fall far short of what Ensnaring Bridge would effectively do for me, but they essentially try to offer me the same win con. Think outside the box. Not.. what else could I do instead of Ensnaring Bridge?, but rather.. what else could I do instead of stalling the game?
3.) " Glint-Nest Crane , this is 2 mana, compared to Ancient Stirrings , Faithless Looting or Serum Visions , the fact it has a body is less relevant than the extra cost." -100%. However, one of the biggest challenges with Modern Lantern is that their mana base is far too greedy. After 15+ years of playing this game, I have found dual color decks to be the sweet spot for most mana bases, and prefer to keep my decks there. Now, while Serum Visions is a nice 1 mana cantrip that fits my colors, I believe that the Crane offers me more versatility. A body to block, a creature with a form of evasion, and helps me to dig deeper for my win con. Keep in mind that my 1 mana slots are plentiful in this deck, it is not as if I am missing out on many turn 1 drop opportunities.
4.) "You could run a finisher Indomitable Archangel / Bastion Inventor / Myth Realized or go wide Monastery Mentor " - Bastion Inventor is the only suggestion here that stands out to me as something I hadn't thought of. It doesn't really fit the theme of 5/5's bashing you in the face, but it would certainly make for a nice sideboard threat for when my opponents think they have me on lock. The rest of your suggestions again don't fit my manabase, which I already addressed earlier.
5.) " Whir of Invention would also help you find your Darksteel Citadel or lock." -This is a suggestion I have struggled with a lot. The lantern community as a whole swears by this card, and albeit.. with good reason. And perhaps that is why I have my reservations when it comes to this card. I strive to make a deck my own. Not to copy pasta what others have done. My biggest concern with this card is how it negatively effects the manabase. UUU is just not a good mana cost for a deck running 6 colorless lands. It's why most Whir Lantern decks have cut Ghost Quarter or Inventors' Fair .
And finally.. 6.) "your deck is suffering from a clash between the control nature of Lantern and the aggro nature of Ensoul Artifact" -I don't entirely disagree with you, however, this was the purpose of the deck from the get go. The big question for me has always been.. how do I turn slow lantern into aggro lantern? I concede that the very nature of lantern IS slow and controlly, but.. I am the type of player to think outside of the box. If there is a way to make it happen, I will find it. And even though this deck has been put on my back-burner for a while, I am sure I will revisit that very question again ...eventually.
3 weeks ago
I can respect your dislike of Ensnaring Bridge, I primarily play a Hollow One aggro deck (Power 4 is Ferocious) and Bridge is the pits, it's one of the cards that drive the aggressive turn 4 play-style of Modern... That being said, part of the modus operandi of control is controlling the board state, or at least stalling it. Ghostly Prison or Norn's Annex aren't Ensnaring Bridge, but they would offer some protection. Your other options are fogs Holy Day / Ethereal Haze , these only stall a turn, or you could try bounce Boomerang / Vapor Snag , lastly there is Silence . Upping the threat count, especially when that threat is less efficient like Tezzeret's Touch is rarely the correct answer for a control deck.
A secondary issue is your enabler, Glint-Nest Crane, this is 2 mana, compared to Ancient Stirrings , Faithless Looting or Serum Visions , the fact it has a body is less relevant than the extra cost. Again if you were punishing fast plays with something like Rule of Law / Damping Sphere , then this wouldn't be such an issue, but you aren't...
You could run a finisher Indomitable Archangel / Bastion Inventor / Myth Realized or go wide Monastery Mentor , if you want to close out the game quicker Whir of Invention would also help you find your Darksteel Citadel or lock.
I get the feeling that you want to play a control deck, but don't actually like playing control, if that makes sense? Decks tend to perform better if they have a clear concise goal, in effect synergy, your deck is suffering from a clash between the control nature of Lantern and the aggro nature of Ensoul Artifact. I hope this comment is helpful and I wish you luck brewing your deck.
4 weeks ago
Okay, I see now.
If that's the case, then I would start with Sphere of Safety and adding more enchantments to bolster the pillow-fort plan. Blind Obedience , Authority of the Consuls , Darksteel Mutation , Grasp of Fate , Citadel Siege , Prison Term , Curse of Vitality , Martyr's Bond , Gideon's Intervention , Oath of Lieges , Martial Law , are Exclusion Ritual are all good. Norn's Annex is a "yes," from me, dawg. Baird, Steward of Argive , Orzhov Advokist , Peacekeeper , Windborn Muse , and Glacial Chasm , might be decent, as well.
You'll probably want to go up to at least 37, if not 38 lands, since it sounds like you don't want to be missing land drops.
1 month ago
Wall of Reverence and Serra Avatar have both previously been in the deck. As a whole I have moved towards a more creature light deck, with only a few choice creatures. Wall of Reverence is nice but unless Serra Avatar is out on the field it wont do much unfortunately. Serra Avatar , while being a large body, doesn't have any evasion and will more often just get chump blocked by a small creature. I had previously also taken out Beacon of Immortality however I hadn't realized the combo of it with Sanguine Bond . I like the combo and will need to reevaluate the list and see where there is any chaff I can cut it to trim it down more. Replacing Norn's Annex with Sphere of Safety is absolutely something I am going to do. I've noticed the exact situation you just said happening a lot, 2-10 life to kill someone when you swing doesn't deter someone enough since it kills me if they swing.
2 months ago
So, you need more lands since you aren't playing green and don't have any mana ramp to help you with what is currently in your deck. These are just my suggestions for adding and removing, don't take them to heart.
Caltrops + Light of Sanction & Lightmine Field: I understand the theory/idea for this little synergy you have going here, but all your opponent has to do is get rid of your lightmine field and you won't really be able to attack with any of your creatures since most of them have low toughness.
Well of Lost Dreams: You only have four cards in your deck that gain you life so this may see barely any usage. Inheritance, Alms Collector, and Tower of Fortunes can provide possibly more stable draw usage.
Contagion Clasp + Contagion Engine : Awesome proliferate cards, sadly these appear to only be the two cards that actually give any permanents any counters and even then the payoff isn't that great when you're looking at the very amount of mana that has to be spent on them.
Spy Kit: This gives a creature the same name and not type, so it won't change whatever you equip to a knight. Oh dear lord, just realized this allows you to tutor your whole deck for each non-legendary creature with Remembrance, I mean, if that is the whole reason why you have both of these cards in there, interesting and fun combo for tutoring for any non-legendary creature in your deck, go for it, but I still think there are better cards that will perform more efficiently by themselves.
Reliquary Tower: If you possibly put more draw power into the deck based off what I mentioned in Well of Lost Dreams, you want to make sure you are able to keep your hand and not have to discard.
Emeria Shepherd: Creature version of the land, but allows you to return it to your hand if you want, and doesn't restrict to creature only.
Dolmen Gate: Prevents the combat damage dealt to your creatures.
Illusionist's Bracers: Allows you to place two training counters for your commander
Norn's Annex: Another tax card with your Ghostly Prison and Windborn Muse
Odric, Lunarch Marshal: Just an all around decent card that shares a few keyword abilities that your creatures have.
Boreas Charger: Ramp, it never hurts. Since you also have Blade of Selves and Helm of the Host you can grab yourself more land more often if you go against any sort of deck that ramps/accelerates faster then you.
Norn's Annex occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.0%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.24%
W/B (Orzhov): 0.09%
W/U (Azorius): 0.09%
RBW (Mardu): 0.07%
W/U/B (Esper): 0.06%