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Target opponent puts the top seven cards of his or her library into his or her graveyard.
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Mind Sculpt Discussion
1 week ago
shirouu- First, thank you for the uovote and thanks for considering my deck for a comeback!
Yeah, the "No" factor of this deck makes it pretty aggravating to play.
The real wallet sluggers here are:
Mesmeric Orb- These are nearly 40% of the deck's cost. Unfortunately, also nearly indespensible to the deck's mechanics. Doing so much of the heavy lifting, I'm afraid there isn't any comparable replacement for their long-game potency.
Oboro, Palace in the Clouds- this isn't necessary to the deck. In fact, it's in this list, but I don't actually have one for it in paper. My one copy is in my Esper Salt Mill. This list does quite well without it. You could use Halimar Depths for some deck fixing, and it would work with Deprive and Hedron Crab in a defensive position but still add fuel to your wincon.
Thing in the Ice Flip- This is still in testing. With only 2 in the deck, it's not a crucial card. More of a backup wincon should I face a go-wide token or weenie deck. You could do AEtherize, or fill in with one more of each Unsummon and Vapor Snag. I've even been considering Boomerang, so I can return their lands as well.
On the low end of pricing, these cards are over 50% of the deck's cost. I'm not sure how competitive your meta is, but this will still be annoying in any capacity. If you're playing more casually, you can always do a casual mill like Bigger Bluer Eraserer, this deck features 2 cards, not legal in Modern: Whirlpool Rider and Accumulated Knowledge.
The other option to making this more effective with a budget, would be to add some more tempo. Mana Leaks, or other cheap disruption spells would simply buy you time to finish the job without the Orbs.
Hope this helps!! And I sincerely hope you get to use this and win with it. It's a lot of fun if you really like being the troll at the table!
Any more questions, or I can help, let me know!!
2 weeks ago
4 weeks ago
My next few changes are like this:
- get rid of Cover of Darkness and add another Drowned Secrets instead
- cut down the number of Murder maybe add 2 more Ultimate Price
- maybe add 2 more Mind Sculpt and remove Siren of the Silent Song
but I'm not willing to spend that much for the deck at the moment
1 month ago
I was thinking about the concept and got to the conclusion that Jace's Phantasm will most likely work in tempo deck, since phantasm costs . I don't see it as much as card for control deck because when is your control online you might play better threats.
Tempo deck is about denying your opponent resources and Soaring Show-Off does the opposite in form of cards (even in the best scenario when you could chose which card your opponent will not have) is not worth it, you just gave him 1 card. But if you want to play the deck as pure control, then it is probably playable since you can control well enough what is in your opponents hand.
Another way how to make discard more viable is Wight of Precinct Six since the more stuff ends up in bin the bigger (likely) this become and you can play it in control.
Previously I used Shriekgeist but now I think that Mind Sculpt might be better because it is more effective even if it is by your words more "boring". I build a mono blue deck for this simply because 1 color works better for tempo: Mono Phantast.
Sage's Row Denizen: I would switch/combine with Ink Dissolver and played it as aggro (a lot of creatures) and build on the wizard/merfolk tribe. Not sure how it will perform since you would not control the game much and mill takes a lot of time to work.
About Vile Rebirth and Beckon Apparition it might work in deck build around Thoughtpicker Witch. The trick is that you control the top of opponent's library. I tried it before and it didn't work but maybe there is a way how to make it work. Also I would include Shamble Back since it does the same as Vile Rebirth but for the loss of instant speed you gain 2 life.
Hope we get to some spicy deck.
1 month ago
Kurush: Thanks for taking the time to comment, and to start: Yes, I agree with you, on both accounts. I didn't have the space left to give this deck the "Jank" label also. =P
Secondly: Yeah, I'd totally be interested in collaborating! Two heads are better than one, as they say. =)
I've done some playing with this deck and Selhoff Occultist was a tragic underperformer. It was a weird idea that I should have known better to try, but, eh. Weird ideas are what I do. I've been considering multiple options as a replacement, such as:
- Switching over to Shriekgeist in that slot, like you did.
- Trying Soaring Show-Off (which I mentioned to you on your deck because I think group-hug-draw alleviates the sting of getting milled a bit--people like drawing cards).
- Something unique-ish, like adding Sage's Row Denizen and either the Show-Off or Merrow Witsniper and using Ghostly Flicker or Peel from Reality instead of normal Unsummon effects to re-trigger the Denizen... but that may be a whole new deck idea entirely.
- Or, hell, I could just put Mind Sculpt in there and almost guarantee the Phantasm gets activated, but that's so boring.
As far as Vile Rebirth and Beckon Apparition, you're right again. And again, I'll use just "creativity" as an excuse, lol. They are cool cards, and I still think they could be built-around, but this probably isn't the place for supporting that experiment also. =(
Anyway, I've checked out your decks, and I'm definitely going to borrow some of your card choices. I still want to add Soaring Show-Off though. =P =D
Let me know what you think about my ideas for replacements. =) Meanwhile I'll pick something and give it a few plays soon. Let you know how it went.
2 months ago
Dreamborn Muse is an excellent option for you to replace Niblis. Mills you and your opponent, can use Harness the Storm to take advantage of the self-mill. Mind Sculpt is likely a better option than Compelling Argument since you'll rarely if ever want to cycle it. I've been sticking to cheap cards since you're concerned about the $10 price tag on Archive Trap, but if you do decide you want to raise your budget, you can look at Mesmeric Orb since it has the same advantage as Dreamborn Muse. And if you were willing to splash a third color you'd want to look at Glimpse the Unthinkable and Extirpate or Surgical Extraction
4 months ago
Before getting into suggestions, I have some general feedback. A lot of the cards you currently have are fantastic, but don't really belong in mill. Mill is a bit of a strange archetype--because it is Blue, lots of players think "control" when they play mill. In my experience, this is not a great way to think about it. Mill is far closer to mono-Red burn than it is to other blue decks--your goal is to "burn" the opponent as quickly as possible. The difficulty with mill is that your opponent has 60 health, as opposed to 20, meaning you have much further to go than with a traditional burn deck.
To that end, the following cards do not help you very much:
Any of your Planeswalkers: Jace, the Mind Sculptor is arguably the best planeswalker ever printed, but doesn't add much to your overall game plan. Further, the earliest he comes out is turn 4--that's the turn where you want to go for the kill, having played your Fraying Sanity on turn 3. Jace Beleren comes out when you want to play other cards, without adding to your victory. Jace, Memory Adept comes out too late to really make a difference--you're better off blitzing them with your remaining mill spells on turn 5.
Syncopate - you have better things to do with your open mana. Turn 1, this card is useless. Turn 2, you ideally want to hit with a mill spell or drop another Hedron Crab, making this card again useless. Turn 3 is Fraying Sanity. Turn 4 is burn. There's not really a good time to play this card.
Patient Rebuilding is a pretty fun, flavourful card, but also comes out too late to really make a difference.
Jace's Archivist is another card taking up your valuable three-drop slot, and doesn't really do much. By turn 4, when you can first activate the ability, your opponent is likely down to 2-4 cards, making the additional mill insignificant. Further, Archivist does nothing the turn you drop it--not ideal in such a fast-paced gameplan.
Jace's Phantasm can be helpful as a blocker, but in my experience, there's always something better to play. This might be worth keeping depending on the other decks in your meta.
Here are some cards to add (as well as a few few more cards to cut directly followed by their upgraded version):
Surgical Extraction is a must in any mill sideboard - Emrakul, the Aeons Torn is a common enough card that you need a way to deal with her being placed into the graveyard. Because it uses Phyrexian mana, there’s no need to run any lands that produce Black.
I'm going to second PhoenixNest's Archive Trap and Ghost Quarter suggestion. This is just a wonderful combo, and enough players are running fetches that you can usually Archive Trap without Ghost Quarter (or, at the very least, slow down their mana as they'll be scared to fetch).