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Target opponent puts the top seven cards of his or her library into his or her graveyard.
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Mind Sculpt Discussion
2 days ago
1x Hover Barrier - Not a huge fan of defenders in decks as they usually stall out the game rather than add value.
1x Dreadwaters - not the most milling. if you had a higher land curve id say its fine.
1x Fog Bank - same as Hover Barrier
1x Returned Centaur - Not too useful as a creature, essentially paying 4 mana to mill four cards which you can get better value for.
1x Sidisi's Faithful - your deck isnt revolved around sacrificing and I dont think you have enough cards that you'd be okay with sacrificing for this to be viable.
1x Sigiled Starfish - Scrying is cool and useful, but once again more value can be added to this deck.
1x Wall of Frost - same as Hover Barrier
1x Wight of Precinct Six - Better options.
1x Mind Sculpt - In edh a one-use 7 mill card isn't worth. Every card should add good value.
1x Paranoid Delusions - If this deck revolved around unblockable attacking this would be good, but since it doesn't it's just a 3 mill card.
1x Reave Soul - This could also stay in, but most threats in edh are generally above three and this being a sorcery hurts its value.
1x Tormented Thoughts - Again, you don't have creatures to sacrifice, so I wouldn't use sacrificing as a function in this deck.
1x Chronic Flooding - This can be a good card if someone is mana starved, but more often than not it's gonna just make that one land go unused.
1x Macabre Waltz - Not the strongest way to get back creatures, getting them onto the battlefield is a more efficient use of your mana.
1x Duskmantle Guildmage - can generate mill when you need and can combo with the first effect to do a LOT of damage.
1x Jace's Archivist - Drawing aspect, gets cards in graveyard, can give you a new hand. Great card.
1x Notion Thief - I'm almost mad I'm including this but this is busted. unfortunately, it'll probably get killed all the time.
1x Psychic Spiral - A lot of Mill potential.
1x Talent of the Telepath - seven mill and you get to steal one or two spells.
1x Diabolic Tutor - can never have enough tutors.
1x Mindcrank - This can honestly win the game.
1x Life's Finale - Board wipes are always nice.
1x Stolen Identity - Copying shit is nice, but the cipher is what makes this so good.
1x Manic Scribe - Not the strongest but can be nice. assuming its later in the game, four card types should be in the graveyard so thats 3 mill every upkeep.
1x Traumatize - Fuck this card.
1x Soul Manipulation - counter that also mills.
1x Body Double - could probably get a better card to replace this. but late game when graveyards are fat this can come in handy.
1x Dimir Doppelganger - since you'll play other people who use graveyards, you can exile creatures from graveyards to make them unusable, while still getting your use.
Cards you can keep but I personally dont like in the deck:
Omniscience - omniscience is op and I get why you'd want it but your mana curve is pretty low and it costs so much that I doubt youd get it out and make use of it.
Altar of the Brood - I dont know how this plays in games, but you're not getting out a lot of permanents so i dont see how this works too well.
Gravepurge - this lets you get back any creature into your hand, which is good, but you could just get a card that puts it back onto the battlefield.
Thoughtscour - this is realistically just a draw card.
Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver - I dont know how to feel about this, the exile feature kinda messes with your use from the graveyard style but you can use the second effect to get some of the creatures. It puts all of those exiled cards into a world only he can interact with which makes him good and useful, but limits your decks synergy.
Animate Dead - theres a lot of revive from graveyard cards in this deck is all im gonna say. maybe too many.
Curse of the Bloody Tome - this is helpful and makes sure someones getting milled which is good, but two an upkeep isnt very strong.
Sands of Delirium - not bad and gives you ability to mill every turn, but this is only usable when you can't do anything since you need to have disposable mana.
Cards that should be abused more:
Sphinx's Tutelage - if you make your deck able to draw more this card can be ridiculously op.
Broken Cards you can add (may be Expensive):
Lich Lord of Unx and Undead Alchemist - are both great but you'd have to turn your deck into a zombie deck and it would make you rely less on other graveyards. I dont think relying on other graveyards is good. this could also add a sacrifice element and you could use cards like Altar of Dementia. - overhauling to a zombie deck would be expensive but i think it'd be really effective.
Tunnel Vision - this could be dumb busted, i saw a combo of if you have a card that lets you put on the bottom of someones library then use this you immediately mill them out. That's gay tho dont do that.
Trepanation Blade - this is some nice mill and adds damage and attack to a possibility of your deck.
Extractor Demon - you'd need to run zombies.
Dralnu, Lich Lord - i hate to say it but zombies is looking like the way to go. get more effectiveness out of your spells.
Phenax, God of Deception - if you want your deck to be less based around mill and more just blue black interactions this dude's good. can make a defender deck worthwhile. probably the best consistent mill card I've seen.
Havengul Lich - cast creatures from ALL graveyards. shit i might buy this guy.
Sewer Nemesis - good
Decree of Pain - boardwipes are op
1 week ago
2 weeks ago
I think the weakest cards in the deck are probably Dreadwaters and Chant of the Skifsang. Rather than waiting until turn 5 or 7 for Dreadwaters to be as good as Tome Scour or Mind Sculpt, I'd want recurring mill triggers from a creature. Hedron Crab is the go-to option, but Manic Scribe could be built around too. As for the Chant, you could use a Commit, Anchor to the Aether, or something to that effect to put threats onto an opponent's library and immediately mill them. If you're worried about cards you don't want in graveyards, Surgical Extraction is a tech option. I'd definitely mainboard Visions of Beyond over Divination since it will almost always give you more resources for less mana. An interesting alternative is Skyscribing since it forces the opponent to draw from their thinning deck while interacting favorably with Sphinx's Tutelage. Finally, I'd look at including some Ghost Quarters. The card is just good in general, but it really gets nasty with Archive Trap.
1 month ago
Rzepkanut is right. Tome Scour is one of the most efficient mill cards - 1 mana for 5 cards, which, assuming your opponent draws or fetches 15 cards over the course of the game, is 1/9 of their deck. Lava Spike, on the other hand, is usually 1/6 of your opponent's life total, assuming they deal 2 damage to themselves with Dark Confidant or their manabase.
That's just with a very efficient mill card, though. What about Mind Sculpt? 2 mana for 7 cards is significantly worse than something like Boros Charm or Searing Blaze. Add on the fact that you can point your burn spells at opposing creatures if you need to and mill just pales in comparison.
1 month ago
I was watching one of The Professor's videos going over card advantage, and in it he expresses that (I forget which card exactly so I'll have a stand-in) cards like Mind Sculpt essentially pay to discard a card from your hand.
His point is that there are generally better ways to use that . You don't affect the boardstate in a meaningful way, you don't disrupt their hand or counter their spells, and you don't advance your boardstate or your hand.
You tap two of your lands to discard a card. Period.
But I don't see it that way. You just removed seven cards from their library. You potentially got rid of very useful cards. In the case of things like Destroy the Evidence, they mill until four lands are in their graveyard. Whether they topdeck all four lands in a row, or they are running just an 18-land deck and they throw just as many cards away simply depends. Regardless, four lands is a huge blow to anybody's game.
So my question is very straightforward: Why don't we see more mill?
With combos like Duskmantle Guildmage + Mindcrank, or Fraying Sanity + Glimpse the Unthinkable, or playsets of Destroy the Evidence + Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker (Both milling until four lands), I don't understand why we don't see more of Mill out there?
And before you state the "obvious" that there's no good protection, there's plenty. Nemesis of Reason, Gifted Aetherborn, Vampire Nighthawk, Wall of Frost, Monastery Flock, and they all do really well with Phenax, God of Deception.
So what are your guy's thoughts? Why isn't Mill more commonly played, or at the very least used as a sub-strategy when decks can allow for it?
1 month ago
1 month ago
Jace's Sanctum is a good Enchantment to run.
I SAY COUNTER GOOD SIR! is my Counter/Mill Deck I built.
2 months ago
I tried out the deck, and it seems to be a little short on land. Perhaps you could remove the two Darknesss to make room for them? If this deck is designed to win fast, then damage shouldn't an issue really. Maybe also board out the two Crypt Incursions for Mind Sculpt or Sanity Grinding.