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As Choked Estuary enters the battlefield, you may reveal an Island or Swamp card from your hand. If you don't Choked Estuary enters the battlefield tapped.
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Choked Estuary Discussion
2 weeks ago
Hey, PhineasMTGMaster - cool idea. Have you looked at decl lists like 8-Rack? There are a lot of cool discard-themed decks out there, including Hollow One and Dredge, depending on whether or not you want to discard or make your opponent discard. Even Jund depends on a lot of disruption.
However, a lot of popular discard or disruption decks include costly cards like Liliana of the Veil.
My concern here is that your mana costs are too high to let you play enough creatures to win or enough disruption to keep your opponent from winning in Modern. More black, less blue, and fewer creatures might help.
Here, I think you can lower your mana curve (and then re-tool your mana-base), keep costs down, and have a lot of fun.
Maybe something like:
- 3x Liliana's Caress
- 3x Shrieking Affliction
- 2x Waste Not
- 3x Blackmail
- 3x Funeral Charm
- 3x Wrench Mind
- 4x Opt
- 3x Torment of Hailfire
- 3x Dream Salvage
- 4x The Rack
- 2x Doomblade
- 2x Go for the Throat
- 1x Murderous Cut
- 4x Choked Estuary
- 4x Temple of Deceit
- 2x Island
- 14x Swamp
- 2x Lay Bare the Heart
- 2x Duress
- 2x Divest
- 3x Scarab Feast
- 2x Spell Snare
- 2x Spell Pierce
- 2x Mana Leak
With a bigger budget, you can improve the mana base, get better disruption (e.g. Inquisition of Kozilek), or explore a full list of a discard archetype like 8-Rack.
3 months ago
Coiling Oracle - Not always ramp, but always replaces itself in terms of card advantage. Compare it to an Elvish Visionary or a Baleful Strix that are good in the first place and you'll notice that even if it isn't guaranteed ramp, it's still a gamble that's worth it.
Farseek - Great colorfixing when you have dual lands, and you want a couple of CMC2 ramp to get the ball rolling.
Nature's Lore - You need shocks for this to be worth it in a three-color deck, otherwise it's too inconsistent for colorfixing.
Deathrite Shaman - One of the best manadorks available if you have fetches and/or you run self-mill, since it ramps you in the early game and can grave hate in the late game.
Chromatic Lantern - You don't need a lot of mana rocks when you're in green, but this one's utility is good enough when you're 3+ colors. Can help with activating Tasigur, the Golden Fang more, especially when you have Training Grounds out and colored mana is the limiting factor.
Harrow - Instant speed ramp is good if you want to save mana for counterspells/removal, and land sacrifice is good for self-mill/recursion synergies.
Realms Uncharted - Technically not ramp but it's both card advantage and dumping stuff into the graveyard, while fetching your 4 strongest lands and forcing your opponent to choose between bad and worse.
Fork in the Road - Not land ramp, not very impactful, but dumping stuff into the graveyard while colorfixing ain't too bad. Maybe a bit sad to get this one back with Tasigur, the Golden Fang's ability, but that's what delve is for.
Exploration - It's ramp that requires you to have a lot of card draw or things like Crucible of Worlds and Oracle of Mul Daya, but can lead to stupidly fast starts of dumping your hand and recovering with Tasigur, the Golden Fang's ability. Definitely stronger than Burgeoning.
Animate Dead - One of the best reanimation spells in the game by far.
Victimize - Even if you're not focused on reanimation, getting back 2 creatures for only 3 mana and something to sacrifice is very often worth it. The more self-mill you have, the more targets you get.
Regrowth - The original Eternal Witness which is cheaper but less abusable. Very good in conjunction with Tasigur, the Golden Fang since you can force your opponent to choose between the things you want or Regrowth which lets you get what you want.
Seasons Past - Card advantage recursion, very good in general and even better when self-milling to give yourself lots of choices.
Grapple with the Past - Instant speed recursion for 2 that also dumps stuff into your graveyard.
Nyx Weaver - Not an amazing creature, but can be dropped early as a blocker and some slow value self-mill only to be used as recursion in the late game.
Fact or Fiction - Drawing the best 1-4 cards out of your top 5 at instant speed for 4 mana is makes this one of the best cards for one-off card draw, especially when the rest end up in your graveyard for delve/recursion.
Baleful Strix - Only replaces itself in terms of card draw, but a flying deathtouch blocker for 2 mana is a very annoying deterrent.
Windfall - Very good card advantage if your game plan is to dump your hand such as with Burgeoning and Exploration effects and fills up your graveyard with the things you discard, but risky since it can help opponents with draw/recursion/reanimation.
Whispering Madness - Extra copy of Windfall if you want one. Cipher can be good if you have stupid amounts of mana for dumping your hand, but not worth one more mana if you're deciding between this or Windfall.
Necropotence - Not great in 3+ colors where it gets hard to cast and not really necessary when you have blue, but still stupidly good with enough life and mana.
The Gitrog Monster - Very strong draw engine since he triggers off of sacrifice, discard and mill. Also a 6/6 deathtouch for 5.
Pull from Tomorrow/Stroke of Genius/Blue Sun's Zenith - Lots of card draw if you have lots of mana, great when you're ramping hard and dumping your hand. Pull from Tomorrow is the best one for card draw because it digs one deeper, but the other two can mill someone to death with enough mana.
Taigam, Sidisi's Hand - CMC5 and needs a turn to do anything is not great, but the filtering and creature removal is alright if he survives.
Lim-Dl's Vault - Incredibly good card selection. It's card disadvantage in itself but you can easily dig through your library until you get a pile that gives you card advantage plus playable cards.
Sensei's Divining Top - One of the best cards for card selection. Use its first ability before using Tasigur, the Golden Fang's ability to help force certain cards into your hand, then use the first ability again to dig even deeper into your library.
Sylvan Library - Very good card for card selection, becomes stupidly good with lifegain and/or fetches for shuffling.
Satyr Wayfinder - Cheap way to get stuff into your graveyard, sorcery speed but creatures are more abusable than instants/sorceries.
Compulsive Research - Great source of card selection since 1. you get to draw before discarding, 2. you can discard anything from your hand, not just from the three you drew, 3. it can be card advantage if you discard the right thing.
Thirst for Knowledge - Like Compulsive Research except a lot better because it's instant speed, and slightly worse because you'll have more opportunity to discard and recur lands compared to artifacts.
Beast Within - Can target anything, so one of the best pieces of spot removal in the format.
Sultai Charm - Very flexible removal or decent card filtering, one of the best charms available.
Reclamation Sage - Removal on legsthat can chump block, be cloned, reanimated etc.
Krosan Grip - Very strong removal, can't be countered and can stop problem cards like Oblivion Stone and Necropotence.
Murderous Cut - Creature removal for 1 is very good, as long as you have enough stuff to delve away.
Abrupt Decay - Slightly too restrictive in commander unless you play in a combo heavy meta, but still worth considering.
Nature's Claim - Removal for 1 is very very good. It's arguable whether this or Krosan Grip is better if you can only choose one.
Tetzimoc, Primal Death - Not very good, but pretty fun and good value if you have a lot of mana.
Vraska the Unseen - Unconditional removal: good. Sorcery speed for 5 mana: bad. Planeswalker with 2 loyalty left after you removed something: not great, but fun.
Scavenging Ooze - Targeted grave hate for cheap is great.
Toxic Deluge - The best creature board wipe in the format, bar none.
Pernicious Deed - One of the best board wipes in your colors. Can be asymmetrical if you have the most expensive stuff, can kill tokens for 0, can hold the table hostage by waiting with blowing it up.
Decree of Pain - CMC8 makes this not great, but the card draw makes it worth considering. Cycling is also good as an instant speed uncounterable board wipe against early aggro.
Torment of Hailfire - Generic big mana wincon, can still be pretty painful even if you don't cast it for X=lots.
Crop Rotation - Card disadvantage since you sacrifice a land, but being able to fetch any utility land at instant speed for 1 is crazy for potential. Bojuka Bog, Tectonic Edge, Alchemist's Refuge, Cabal Coffers/Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, Thespian's Stage etc. Can compensate for the card disadvantage while colorfixing with Myriad Landscape/Blighted Woodland.
As Foretold - Not a very good card, but it's pretty fun to use if you get the ball rolling, especially since you can spend any extra mana on your commander once you get to freecast spells. Even better with cheap instants.
Propaganda - Generic protection, both against token decks and to avoid becoming the path of least resistance in multiplayer.
Isochron Scepter - Absurd value with stuff like Brainstorm, absurdly annoying with counterspells. It runs a fairly high risk of being a dead card in your hand though, since you won't be running lots of CMC<=2 instants. Very sad to get from Tasigur, the Golden Fang's ability with an empty hand.
Faerie Artisans - Relatively underrated card. You get the ETBs of anything your opponents cast/flicker/reanimate/etc. plus a chump blocker/attacker of varying quality.
Mirage Mirror - Incredibly strong card, even though it may not look like it at first glance. Copy a Cabal Coffers/Zendikar Resurgent for lots of mana, copy creatures like Arcanis the Omnipotent/Etali, Primal Storm and you get to tap/attack immediately as long as the artifact has been in play for a turn, copy creatures like Oracle of Mul Daya/Kess, Dissident Mage and get cheap value, scare off attackers by saying "I can copy the biggest dude on the board and block you", dodge removal/board wipes by copying a land etc. Extra fun if you run Dark Depths.
Avenger of Zendikar - Generic wincon, but still a very good wincon.
Exsanguinate - Generic big mana wincon, can save you from an early aggro death even if you don't cast it for X=lots.
Telepathy - Not a good card, but it's pretty fun for politics and mind games.
Assault Suit - Kind of fun multiplayer card, but not very good since your opponents aren't forced to attack with the equipped creature. Can cause some funny commander damage blowouts if your politics game is strong.
Psychosis Crawler - Generic but slow wincon, decent creature to clone.
Dark Depths - If you're already running support cards for Cabal Coffers, you have most of the stuff for a decent Dark Depths package like land tutors and Thespian's Stage (plus Marit Lage is cool). Throw in a Vampire Hexmage for a potential turn 3 20/20 to really set the pace of the game.
Hinterland Harbor/Woodland Cemetery - Checklands are great and not that expensive, and stay great even as your manabase improves. These two will get reprints in Dominaria, might want to wait for them.
Temple of Malady - The last scryland, you have the other two.
Cephalid Coliseum - Good for card filtering late game, comes in untapped early.
Choked Estuary - Not the best cycle of lands, but at least it's better than lands that always come in tapped. Doesn't exist in your other colors yet.
Golgari Rot Farm/Simic Growth Chamber - These are not that bad budget lands since they give you virtual card advantage at the cost of speed, but having three of them in a three-color can sometimes be too slow and awkward. If you want to keep them, then buy Dimir Aqueduct.
Halimar Depths - I would not use this over a basic land in your deck because you don't have lots of lands to find with your ramp, and the upside is not big enough for a tapped land that only produces one color.
Evolving Wilds/Terramorphic Expanse - These are a bit slow but they're good for colorfixing and they're great for Ramunap Excavator and Splendid Reclamation, as long as you have enough basics in your library.
Lumbering Falls - Manlands are not really worth it in commander unless you're have a lot of equipment, combat damage triggers or creature sacrifice.
Reliquary Tower - This is not a definite cut, but you don't want too many colorless lands in a three-color deck. Reliquary Tower is only necessary if you have lots of card draw and very little graveyard interaction, but since you have plenty of graveyard recursion, you should be fine without it.
Tectonic Edge - It's a good card, but I prefer using Ghost Quarter because you don't need to have any mana ready to be able to use it. Wasteland and Strip Mine are both strictly better, but expensive.
Temple of the False God - Not that great in three-color decks.
Jace, Memory Adept - Milling opponents with this guy is stupid, milling yourself is kind of decent but at 5 mana it's bad.
Kiora, the Crashing Wave - If you want it for the -1 (which is pretty good), just run Explore instead. Using it for the ultimate is stupid since your opponents have 3 turns to handle it and you're not getting any value from the +1.
Tamiyo, the Moon Sage - The -2 is not the worst, but at 5 mana and when you're blue it's not really worth it. Same as with Kiora, the Crashing Wave, you will never reach the ultimate against competent players and the +1 doesn't really give you any value. This one's worth some money, so sell it and buy better cards.
Archfiend of Depravity - The effect is not terrible but in practice it's less impactful than it seems. You can usually play around the ability or remove the creature if it's a huge problem.
Beastcaller Savant/Deathcap Cultivator/Elves of Deep Shadow - This deck has no reason running mana dorks other than Birds of Paradise and Deathrite Shaman, at most. Elves of Deep Shadow is not awful since it's 1 mana and colorfixes, but still not worth it.
Dimir Doppelganger - The main advantage to clones is that you can abuse strong ETBs, which this clone can't. Decent if you're two colors, not really if you're three.
Edric, Spymaster of Trest - This guy will more often enable your opponents than it will help you. Terrible card unless you're spamming tokens.
Forgotten Creation - Dumping cards into the graveyard is not bad, but CMC4, only in upkeep and discarding before drawing is awful.
Kruphix, God of Horizons - You need a lot of big mana dumps or a draw/go playstyle to justify using Kruphix, God of Horizons. Your commander is a mana dump but your limiting factor is going to be colored mana.
Solemn Simulacrum - Not awful, but there are better alternatives for ramp when you're in green. Could be worth keeping if you run a lot of clones for slightly better value compared to something like Wood Elves or Cultivate.
Torrent Elemental - Can blow out an opponent when you have a big board, but is very telegraphed and isn't very impactful on its own. Use Pathbreaker Ibex if you want better blowouts. The exile ability isn't great even if you delve him away, since you're still casting a mediocre creature for 5 mana.
Yahenni, Undying Partisan - Good when your deck is based around sacrifice and reanimation, but very out of place here.
Bounty of the Luxa - Slow ramp or slow card draw, but you can't choose which one you need right now. Better to use proper ramp and proper draw spells instead.
Deadbridge Chant - You can keep this if you like it because it's pretty fun. However, the random aspect and lack of impact until your upkeep is a bit too unreliable for 6 mana.
Perplex - Cards that give the opponent the final choice are generally bad, and this one isn't even good for its mana cost.
Spell Pierce - Good in faster combo-heavy metas, but not quite reliable enough in slower metas.
Unravel the Aether - This card is actually very good since it ignore indestructible, but it's worth considering if you'd rather have Nature's Claim for the mana cost or Krosan Grip for the utility, since I don't think you have room for all three in the deck.
In Garruk's Wake - Good card when you have the mana to use it, but 9 mana is a lot.
Increasing Ambition - I generally recommend against using tutors since games become very samey with them, but even then there are a lot of better tutors out there than this one.
Praetor's Grasp - Not as fun as Gonti, Lord of Luxury since looking at top 4 is more exciting than picking the best card for the situation, not as flexible either since you need the correct colors to cast things.
Dimir Signet/Golgari Signet/Simic Signet - Signets are good since they're cheap, can be used immediately and colorfix you, but in a slower meta they're prone to get board wiped away compared to land ramp, so they're not that great when you're green.
Gilded Lotus - People generally don't use spot removal on mana rocks, but the big and efficent ones like Gilded Lotus and Thran Dynamo sometimes do. You can use the mana immediately, but otherwise it's not much better than an Explosive Vegetation.
4 months ago
I have an Inalla deck myself that exploits creatures that tap for effects. A very different build than yours, but strong and fun nonetheless. Take a look if you'd like an unconventional take on this commander.
With that said, I see a couple of issues with how your deck is built and what your overall gameplan is. I do not know your budget so some suggestions may not be things you'd buy, but they would certainly greatly improve the deck's functionality, and, I promise to keep these to a minimum as well as avoid any Black Lotus kind of stupidity.
First and foremost, although your land count is perfect your mana base is slow. And I mean SUPER slow! Almost 40% of your lands enter the battlefield tapped and this is the last thing a control deck wants. You aim to be reactive and keeping as many resources up at all times is very important. Try to replace most of those taplands with others that enter untapped. A relatively budget-friendly option is the pain lands (i.e. Underground River, Sulfurous Springs, and Shivan Reef). Add more basics to enable more of your check-lands to come untapped. Choked Estuary and Foreboding Ruins both are good, relatively cheap alternatives, so are Tainted Isle, Tainted Peak, Smoldering Marsh, and Sunken Hollow. Unclaimed Territory and Ancient Ziggurat are good considerations, while Riptide Laboratory can give a lot of extra utility. Focus on lands that produce blue mana, as that is the central color of your deck.
After lands, comes ramping into more resources. Again focusing on Blue the most can be important. You have some decent pieces here but I would consider a few more. Thaumatic Compass Flip and Journeyer's Kite are underplayed cards that can streamline a deck's mana by allowing consistent land drops. If you can, investing in a Chromatic Lantern will solve a lot of problems a lot of the time.
What a control deck wants to be is reactive. As such these suggestions are very strong for this kind of decks and if you can I would invest in getting them first: Vedalken Orrery and Leyline of Anticipation are some of the strongest cards in M:TG. These suggestions will help streamline the deck.
The last thing I've noticed is that your deck lacks focus and a clear path to victory. Look for more cheap wizards that have disruptive etb abilities like AEther Adept and Sedraxis Alchemist, or, card filtering ones like Omenspeaker and Augur of Bolas. Pit Keeper is another nice addition to any wizard deck.
As for cuts, I would go for Control Magic, Clone Legion, Magus of the Abyss, Vela the Night-Clad, and Yahenni, Undying Partisan as they don't particullarly advance the decks goal in any significant manner.
I hope you find this (incredibly long post) useful.
4 months ago
You should run some lands which produce blue mana. It's always best to have multiple ways to cast your finisher. If you are concerned about the budget, Choked Estuary, Drowned Catacomb, and Underground River are all fairly inexpensive.
Thrumming Stone is a powerful card to top off your curve. You are probably not running enough copies of Rat Colony to make it effective, but you could safely run fewer graveyard recursion spells, and more copies of Rat Colony.
4 months ago
Just saying this as well, you're probably not going to want just forty basic lands even (20 swamps 20 islands) because you probably won't end up with the mana fixing you want, also make it less than forty lands other than what you already have due to the fact that you're not going to need forty six lands you goof.
So anyways I've told you you should put better lands in... now I should probably give you the options
Just good lands in your colors
A BIT PRICIER: Minamo, School at Water's Edge
Don't make it all nonbasics so you can make sure you've got fetch targets and such.
More good mill for ya, doesn't seem like ye've got enuff on ya mate.
Cheapin' for ya wallet mate:
A bit more harsh on ya bank account:
Again, you'll want the cards to remove things from opponents graveyards because you'll be putting a ton of stuff in there
That's it for today's suggesting, sorry about the shoddy text formatting job, I'm a bit new to this.
4 months ago
The main strategy I'd go with is generating large amounts of artifact tokens/creatures to win with either riches or crazy recursion loops with giant beaters, sacking a few myr or thopters with something like Champion of Stray Souls to bring back all your giant beasties. This is just a bunch of possible options that would help with that strategy.
Suggested Lands, don't need that many basics since you won't be fetching that many in U/B
Jwar Isle Refuge
Geier Reach Sanitarium
Arch of Orazca
- Magnifying Glass
- Ruthless Knave
- Revel in Riches
- Deadeye Plunderers
- Sly Requisitioner
- Genesis Chamber
- Prototype Portal
- Golem Foundry
- Pitiless Plunderer
- Myr Sire
- Efficient Construction
- Prying Blade
- Tamiyo's Journal
I'm not dead yet!
- Soul of New Phyrexia
- Artisan of Kozilek
- Betrayal of Flesh
- Champion of Stray Souls
- Diabolic Servitude
- Dread Return
- Ever After
- Hell's Caretaker
- Infernal Offering
- Profane Command
- Stitch Together
- Tempt with Immortality
5 months ago
I'd really focus on lowering your mana curve and decreasing your 1-ofs. Mind Stone is leagues ahead of Izzet Cluestone, Etherium Sculptor is fantastic, Vedalken Engineer isn't half bad, etc. I'd also add in some card draw (Thoughtcast), some untapped lands (Sunken Hollow, Choked Estuary, Drowned Catacomb, etc). That should solve a lot of your consistency issues.
6 months ago
Not sure if you want the bigger body, but Lone Missionary does the same thing as Inspiring Cleric but for one less mana. It might be nice to have a better curve as to Lone Missionary, Vampire Nighthawk then to Herald of War.
Also, lands like Orzhov Basilica and Azorius Chancery are terrible lands in modern (with the exception of one deck that utilizes their bounce effect). If you're looking for other budget options (because this deck looks budgeted) you could look into Forsaken Sanctuary, Isolated Chapel, Choked Estuary, Drowned Catacomb, and Sunken Hollow. With all of the angels you play, you could also look into Seraph Sanctuary.