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Whenever a player casts a spell, you may put a +1/+1 counter on Forgotten Ancient.
At the beginning of your upkeep, you may move any number of +1/+1 counters from Forgotten Ancient onto other creatures.
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Forgotten Ancient Discussion
4 days ago
kingquark No problem!
Krosan Grip is great due to the split second clause as it's pretty relevant. Beast Within is generally an amazing card, but because you have access to other colors their are other cards that do it so much better such as Assassin's Trophy, Abrupt Decay, Maelstrom Pulse, and Vindicate.
Another card you can maybe run is Orim's Thunder.
Cards I would consider cutting would be: Shamanic Revelation (Too slow), Woolly Thoctar, Voltaic Brawler, Moltensteel Dragon, Herald of Torment, Bloodbraid Elf, and Accorder Paladin (All of them are a bit underwhleming in terms of value and a bit vanilla).
Some adjustment for budget I would consider are: Iroas, God of Victory, Gisela, Blade of Goldknight , Dauntless Escort, Forgotten Ancient, Shalai, Voice of Plenty, Mirror Entity, Taurean Mauler, Hydra Omnivore (Hidden tech, it also does additional damage to the player you chosen!), Tana, the Bloodsower (Also makes additional tokens due to hitting two players!), Urabrask the Hidden, Gahiji, The Honored One, Hero of Bladehold, and Hanweir Garrison.
Hope that gives an idea that could help!
5 days ago
TheErebos I still love the idea that your keeping the Praetors around and the sub-infect theme. I was actually going to say to re-add in Triumph of the Horde as I really do like that card.
For the +1/+1 theme here are some cards that I used to use:
Also I would add back in Reyhan, you can additionally add in the one drop mana dork since you are going for the more wide synergy. Cards like Elvish Mystic, Llanowar Elves, Avacyn's Pilgrim, Birds of Paradise, Noble Hierarch, Joraga Treespeaker, or Fyndhorn Elves.
Hopefully that helps!
1 month ago
Avacyn, Angel of Hope doesn't seem super on theme or really that useful. I mean, yeah, it's really good. But it's also 8 mana and for 8 mana I feel like you should be winning the game. Not just protecting your 1/1s or whatever you have out.
Pallid Mycoderm, Rot Shambler, Savage Thallid, Sporecrown Thallid, Sporemound, Sporesower Thallid, and Sporoloth Ancient. I think all of them are either overcosted for what they offer, or don't offer enough. I think the best out of these is Sporemound, but I'm not sure it's good enough. You don't really ramp all that hard, and you'll have so many 1/1s anyway that I don't think it'll matter if you get a couple extra. I think these could all be replaced by more 'value' oriented cards.
Verdant Force is simply overcosted. Remove.
Trostani, Selesnya's Voice is out of place. Populating a 1/1 for 3 mana and a tap is a bad feeling, and gaining 1 life from each is trivial and could be done with Suture Priest or any soul sister (and better too). Also Trostani's mana cost is steeper than it seems (from experience).
Fungal Plots is just kinda weak. I'm super against self-gy hate, and this is no exception. You're paying 4 mana and a card for a 1/1, and then you can maybe sac 2 more creatures for some life and a draw. There are much better options for card advantage AND tokens (I'll get into it later).
Intangible Virtue is out of place. An army of 2/2 vigilance's isn't amazing, especially because your saprolings WANT to die (to slimefoot and Blood Artist and others), so tapping to attack isn't an issue. You already have other, better, team buffs so I don't really think this fits.
Night Soil is just kinda meh. It's a tougher restriction than it seems (both from the same yard).
Along with this, I don't like Necrogenesis in general, but at least it gy-hates opponents and is something you can do if you have mana left up. An early cut if you still wanna cut some stuff, but fine to leave.
Primal Vigor can backfire hard. I don't think it's worth tbh. Also the mana cost is steep for something that doesn't do anything by itself.
True Conviction is just super out of place, and that mana cost is super rough. Absolutely cut. If you were gonna have a mana cost with WWW, it's gonna be Avacyn (but it's gonna be neither).
Verdant Embrace is just too costly for what it does and what you need. If it was like 3 mana and didn't give the +3/+3, that would work, but as is it's too costly and you'll almost certainly not get a lot of value from it because people will murder the creature it's on immediately.
Honestly, I've never liked Second Harvest. It's a terrible card if you're losing and if you cast it and win, you probably would've already won anyway. It seems like win-more to me. Most cards that do nothing on their own I think are kinda meh.
I have no idea how to feel about Vona's Hunger. I'd consider removing just because if you're using this to clear a board, they're gonna keep their best shit anyway, and this is pretty trash against other token decks. The mana cost and instant speed is a nice +, but I'm not sure it's enough here.
You have a lot of lands. I like running fewer lands (35) but having about ~10 sources of ramp. I'll try to figure some out as we progress.
Fungal Sprouting does nothing on it's own and I am having a tough time envisioning it being really useful. Getting 5 1/1s is great for Ghave, but for 4 mana and sorcery speed, I feel you could be doing more. It's fine for now, but consider it an early cut if needed.
Glare of Subdual. This is a tough one. On the one hand, tapping down the voltron player (Seth's cats or my dragons or Zac's Tuvasa) is super dope. On the other hand, tapping is not removal and it relies on you having a creature to spare to tap. It's also 4 mana. I'd probably remove. If it was 1WG, I'd think it was good.
I strongly recommend not having more than 8 enchantments. You have 16 right now and that's just too many without some heavy enchantment recursion.
Okay. We got through it boys. Let's go to our suggestions and recommendations. This next section will include cards in your maybe board that I think are good and should go to mainboard.
Anafenza, the Foremost, because who doesn't like incidental GY hate on an aggressively costed body. 3 mana for a 4/4 that GY hates is something that your opponents need to answer, and more often than not their removal will be worth more to them than Anafenza is worth to you.
Elenda, the Dusk Rose is a card I've always wanted to work and this might be it. Being able to sac a huge board and then herself seems like great value. The issue with Elenda is that she can be exiled, but your commander is a sac outlet which protects against that. I think she could be a powerhouse in this deck ESPECIALLY because her tokens have lifelink. Never underestimate lifelink on tokens.
Juniper Order Ranger is just gravy. 5 mana for a boi that gets progressively larger and boosts your board is something that needs to be answered to. This will either force a boardwipe or spot removal and honestly either a win for you.
Shalai, Voice of Plenty is good. Really good. I don't think it's bad to put it in this deck.
Retribution of the Ancients is super interesting and could be a powerhouse. I'm inclined to include it as instant speed removal that works on indestructible things at a minimum cost to yourself seems very good. Sure, you'll be using 3-5 counters each time, but ideally that won't be an issue since. Also it's at a mana cost price you just can't do better than.
Everything from maybeboard I didn't mention is a no.
End of Maybeboard Recommendations
Uhh, where's my babe Elspeth, Sun's Champion at?? 6 mana for either a conditional boardwipe that won't hit you that often, or for 3 token bois seems like a good deal. And if you manage to ult, you win. No one can stop a flying army of 3/3s.
Eldrazi Monument. We already talked about it but just wanna have it written down here.
Pir, Imaginative Rascal. Fucking gravy. Works with Ghave super well but also Elspeth and also your dudes who put spore counters on themselves. This is a must include. I'm kind of surprised he wasn't already in the list tbh.
Fecundity can be absolutely nutty. Sure, it helps your opponents, but it is very unlikely it'll help them more than it helps you. Also a may trigger so it won't hurt you if you don't want it to.
Dark Prophecy is also insane, tho the self damage could become hazardous. I'll recommend some things to combat this as the card is a powerhouse, even with the BBB mana cost. Remember, being at 5 life and winning is the same as being at 40 life and winning.
Loyal Guardian is a new card which could do work. Early cut, but I'll put it here if you need to fill out your creatures.
Heroic Intervention is the single best protection spell in green. It's basically a green Teferi's Protection for your turn and it cannot be overstated how good it is at the right time. It is the difference between "I win next turn" and "Man nice boardwipe, GG." And for 2 mana too. It's bonkers. Must include.
Cryptolith Rite is disgusting. You've played slivers so you know how good Gemhide is. This is too. I think this is a must.
Zulaport Cutthroat is nice redundancy for your combo win and also nice incidental lifegain (which helps counteract Dark Prophecy's life cost).
Forgotten Ancient is bonkers. Will always become a threat and require removal. It's just good.
Hangarback Walker is solid. Dump whatever mana you have into it, gives you something to do EoT, and you'll almost always get the death trigger since your commander is a sac outlet.
Scavenging Ooze. Graveyard hate is good, and incidental synergy with counter is even better. Just a super efficient card and usually comes something that needs to be removed sooner rather than later. Using the ability as an instant in response to a 'return from graveyard' spell is a joy.
Abzan Charm is good at any point of the game. Removal, counters, card advantage. Maybe the best charm out of all of them. Cannot be overstated. This is a must include.
You have no boardwipes. What the hell. You need at least 4 in almost every deck, but you will be fine with 3 here since you have Elspeth and Dictate of Erebos. I recommend Day of Judgment, Merciless Eviction (best boardwipe ever printed ever), Austere Command (wipe everything but your 0 CMC tokens and you'll usually open a board up for swings) and Living Death. More on Living Death below.
Living Death is a pet card of mine. Mostly because of how bonkers it is. 5 mana for a boardwipe that makes everyone sac their hexproof/indestructible creatures, and then get's you everything you need back. Ideally you'll have something like Aura Shards or Dictate out as you cast this to thin your opponents board afterwards. Also, with Anafenza, Necrogenesis, Scavenging Ooze and Bojuka Bog, you should be getting more value back than anyone else consistently.
Dread Return is good. 4 mana to bring something back is the going rate and saccing 3 creatures to bring something back is double upside since more often than not saccing creatures is good. With Blood Artist that gains you 3 life and someone loses 3, with Fecundity or Dark Prophecy, you just drew 3 cards for FREE. Stupid.
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite is always always always a powerhouse. Clears the board and puts you absurdly far ahead in terms of board presence. If you have the money, put it in.
I know you're not huge on tutors, but Razaketh, the Foulblooded and Sidisi, Undead Vizier are good. Can help find answers or just combo pieces to close out a long game. If you only want one, put Razaketh because at the end of the day, an 8/8 flample for 8 is good.
Carrion Feeder is good because instant speed sac outlets with incidental counter value is good. Sac a creature, get a counter, remove counter to get another creature is good. Essentially, with Fecundity/Dark Prophecy, Ghave, and Carrion Feeder out, they read "Pay 1 mana, draw a card" and that's good. Add in Blood Artist and it's even better, and add in Pir and Ashnod's and you win. 5/6 card combos are still combos. Also Carrion is a 1 mana sac outlet and that's really good.
Requiem Angel is a card I've always wanted to use but never found the place. This might be it, chief. Essentially doubling your token count for ability activations and sac triggers, plus turns your measly 1/1 saps into 1/1 fliers, which is a huge boost.
I'd remove Aura Mutation and replace it with both Putrefy and Mortify. The reason is that I often find myself holding onto Aura Mutation hoping to get good value from it, but oftentimes I should just use it on a 2 drop enchantment like Cryptolith Rite or something. Mortify and Putrify also double as modal cards, making them never a dead card if you draw them.
You need more ramp. There is no way around it. But you need more. Cultivate, Kodamas, Nature's Lore, Farseek, etc etc. No mana rocks besides Sol Ring. You're green, use it. You could also run things like Primal Druid that give value when they die, since this is a sacrifice deck. I'd scryfall "dies/enter search library land battlefield" and choose your favorite.
Mindless Automaton just seems fun. Depending on how easy it is to put counters on stuff, this may work. Early cut for sure.
Thats all I got for now. I'll comment again if I think of more.
1 month ago
Cards I want to take out:
Mosswort Bridge - I don't like Taplands, and I often had the problem not having the 10 power.
Terramorphic Expanse - I'm not sure, but why not Playing an Island/Forest instead
Evolving Wilds - Same here
Managorger Hydra - Really strong card on it's own, but..yeah that's it.
Master Biomancer - Can be absolutly broken in this Deck. But early he stops me from getting Experience counters
Forgotten Ancient - Same with the Hydra
I think I need more card Draw I really want to play:
Worldly Tutor (I don't have one)
Sylvan Library (As soon as I finished this Deck, I may buy one)
I also thought of going more with ETB and put in Panharmonicon but that's like building a new deck. :( And I'm missing removal I think. I'm still not sure to go the Flash Protean Hulk combo fully. Just to tutor wincons and kill everybody is something I don't want in many Decks. I have a Breya Combo deck, but Ezuri is my Favorite so that seems okay for me.
I really need suggestions what to cut. But I need an explanation WHY I should cut something. Just "cut this and this" doesn't help me.
1 month ago
To start off: Hardened Scales, Bear Umbra and Ordeal of Nylea. You do allot with just one counter, make use of it! And bear umbra or ordeal of nylea not only means counters but also a free extra Jenara abilities each turn.
Then we have allot of +1/+1 synergy in this deck, but allot of them are single use or difficult to get.
- Ninth Bridge Patrol is by no means terrible, but we don't have token generators let alone sacrifice outlets, so what about Cathars' Crusade? We want to grow, not compensate when we shrink!
- Hunt the Weak, forget the counter and go for Nature's Way. Same concept but cheaper and more diverse.
- Obsessive Skinner is decent, but you could also take Forgotten Ancient
- Ajani, Caller of the Pride would be a direct upgrade to Ajani, Valiant Protector in my opinion. And while you have some flavor for the valiant protector that we will now lose, that's ok;
Because what about Collective Effort for multiple purposes. Orzhov Advokist to play it politically. Hadana's Climb, Dragonscale General, Master Biomancer, Tuskguard CaptainVerdurous Gearhulk, Increasing Savagery and ow Kalonian Hydra!
2 months ago
Ok. You definitely need more lands. 35 at the minimum, but I recommend 38. So you need to take out a lot of cards. Think about what you're going for. A +1/+1 counter strategy? Synergy? Lots of little creatures? Then start taking out cards that don't fit the key themes you want in your deck. I know its hard, but it'll make the deck much better. For example, if you want +1/+1 counters and synergy with those, then Bident of Thassa and Bounty of the Luxa might not be that good. What i might do is just make a list of what IN MY OPINION is jank and should go. Take it with a grain of salt if you want, but its probably for the best (if you want the reasoning behind any of these please ask me, I can't write it down for every card). Animation Module, Bident of Thassa, Lifecrafter's Bestiary, Snakeform, Plasm Capture, Negate, Mirror Match, Cobra Trap, Bounty of the Luxa, From Beyond, Urban Evolution, Whirler Rogue, Viridian Corrupter, Thelonite Hermit, Patagia Viper, Altered Ego, Overrun. All those I would Definitely take out and replace with lands, then there are a bunch more which I could see the value, and they could be really cool, but I ultimately would have to cut. These are cards like Forgotten Ancient, Managorger Hydra and Kalonian Hydra. But I would test these cards before cutting them. You also have A LOT of ramp. Cultivate, Kodama's Reach, Elvish Mystic ect. Maybe a little less ramp? I dunno, but these are my thoughts.
2 months ago
Legit played it for the first time ever a few minutes ago and won out of completely nowhere with a large Forgotten Ancient that moved 9 counters on to Hallar. I then cast Soul's Might, and kicked 2 spells for the instawin. This deck is so rad, great
2 months ago
Arcanis the Omnipotent never sticks at our table. Love Arixmethes, Slumbering Isle, not sure if you noticed or not but the remove a counter ability is a MAY ability, you can leave it as a land if you want. Forgotten Ancient, Chasm Skulker, Hydra Omnivore, and Overbeing of Myth feel a little out of place to me but I'm not sure. This is a cool deck bud.
I will say that Arcanis the Omnipotent(or anything that can bounce itself) + Paradox Engine + Doubling Cube + a bunch of mana is infinite mana. Then you can also can hit up something like Helix Pinnacle if you want haha.