Forgotten Ancient


Format Legality
Pre-release Legal
Noble Legal
Leviathan Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Vanguard Legal
Legacy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Planechase Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Unformat Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Set Rarity
Commander 2016 (C16) Rare
Conspiracy: Take the Crown (CN2) Rare
Commander 2015 (C15) Rare
Archenemy (ARC) Rare
Planechase (HOP) Rare
Scourge (SCG) Rare

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Forgotten Ancient

Creature — Elemental

Whenever a player plays a spell, you may put a +1/+1 counter on Forgotten Ancient.

At the beginning of your upkeep, you may move any number of +1/+1 counters from Forgotten Ancient onto other creatures.

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Forgotten Ancient Discussion

davcot on Merfolk Counter Party (Suggestions welcome)

5 days ago

GullyFoyle57 I believe Metallic Mimic would be much better than Forgotten Ancient in this deck (mostly because it costs only 2 and adds counters instantly without waiting). The downside is that it costs 5$ each ... Maybe when kaladesh will be removed from standard the price will drop !

ThallionDarkshine on We're Gonna Need a LOT of Dice

1 week ago

So... It kind of doesn't really do anything without Ezuri on the table, though honestly I've never really tried. I just keep on casting it as its mana cost goes through the roof. I threw in Forgotten Ancient to serve as a backup Ezuri, but I'm not sure that's enough. The way I like to play, I generate a bunch of experience counters, and then spend my turns holding up mana to protect my board as it grows out of control. One of the cards I really like to help keep Ezuri's cost manageable and maintain a board state is Temur Sabertooth. It lets me stick a threat through many board wipes, and lets me return Ezuri to my hand to prevent his cost from snowballing out of control. Not to mention all the other powerful things it can do like bouncing Mystic Snake or Eternal Witness.

I'm trying to stick to cards $5 or less, so unfortunately Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx and Walking Ballista are a little out of range. I really want to get a Walking Ballista at some point for this deck though, since it lets me build an incredibly strong Trinket Mage package with Animation Module, Sol Ring, Walking Ballista, and maybe even a Hangarback Walker.

I really like Curse of the Swine, and had it in a previous form of the deck that was much more controlling. I think it definitely belongs in this iteration of the deck, but I'm very unsure of what cuts to make. I have so many pet cards in the deck that there's not all that much room for generally strong cards after I fill in all the necessities. River's Rebuke seems like an interesting card, but I kind of dislike the idea of tapping out to bounce only one player's stuff at sorcery speed. I suppose it is a pretty great way to push through damage, so I'll consider it in the future. Reins of Power is another card I really like the idea of, since it gives me a win condition that doesn't require me to ever generate a board state of my own. Not to mention all the ridiculous things that it can enable.

Thanks so much for the suggestions!

Trifas on In Accordance...

1 week ago

Great! If you intend to focus in the enchantment theme I'd suggest Sigil of the Empty Throne as a finisher. Few decks can deal with a swarm of Angel tokens.The key for this kind of deck is to look for enchantments with effects that can replace your other spells. Like Fertile Ground instead of Wild Growth or Cast Out instead of Path to Exile. Eidolon of Blossoms is enchantments' best friend, while Nyx-Fleece Ram can help you with both the enchantment and the life gain theme.

PS: I mistakenly stated that the Hardened Scales deck was modern legal, but it has Forgotten Ancient in it, which is not legal in the format.

PrehistoricMan on Vorel of the Simic

1 week ago

first of all i really like the deck and the monstrosities it produces. i personally play EDH casually with a group of friends and therefore is everything i know based on my experiences there. my very first deck i ever built was Varolz, the Scar-Striped and it did similar things with all sorts of hydra's and counter doublers. this deck never won. the reason was that i needed several turns to get out a big dude, only to have it struck by Anguished Unmaking. for these kinds of decks you need explosive turns where once you're set up, you can keep going each turn untill your opponents are trampled over. the first thing that came to my mind was Everflowing Chalice or Gyre Sage. combined with Sword of the Paruns a gyre sage that taps for 4 green mana becomes an infinite mana source. Mistcutter Hydra could now be a hasty 10000/10000 coming at your unsuspecting opponents. Gemstone Array is really usefull when you are producing immense amounts of mana, for you can use it as a converter to make UG for vorel.

untappers you can use multiple times in a turn if you have the mana: Filigree Sages, Thassa's Ire, Sword of the Paruns

counters that can be doubled and used as mana just so they can be doubled again: Gyre Sage, Everflowing Chalice, Crystalline Crawler, Astral Cornucopia

now we are creating big mana (remember, there are so many ways of doing this, i just happen to like these ones) its time to look at the creatures that benefit from this and the creatures that are too slow.

i'm just mentioning things that i think need to be replaced, if a card is not mentioned, it can stay imo.

Clever Impersonator and Progenitor Mimic. copy effects dont copy counters on a card (as written in rule 706.2) so they have no real value in the current deck and should be replaced.

Trinket Mage: are Sol Ring / Sensei's Divining Top important enough to have this card in your deck? i think not. (remember, opinions)

Master Biomancer: currently you have no effective ways of adding power to your creatures that do not generate +1/+1 counters by themself. therefore you should either remove Master Biomancer or add cards like Death's Presence.

Lorescale Coatl, since your carddraw is limited this card is too slow.

Oran-Rief Hydra i smell something of a mini landfall subtheme in the deck as it is, however this isnt what you currently are trying to do so that makes this card way too slow.

Sapphire Drake: an alternative would be the outlast creatures e.g. Tuskguard Captain its way cheaper and does the job. alternatively you could run them both.

Sphinx of the Final Word: are your instants and sorceries the things you win your games with? i think the answer would be: no, my creatures are going to win the game for me. therefore i would replace this card with Archetype of Endurance if protecting is what you want to do.

Young Wolf: loses its undying ability if a counter is placed upon it before it dies. replace with Servant of the Scale

Zameck Guildmage: probably too slow.

add-in replacements could be: Champion of Lambholt, Fertilid, Forgotten Ancient, Phantom Nantuko

lastly, 37 lands is fine, but the amount of ramp is not. Nature's Lore and Chromatic Lantern are the only cards that make sure you have your lands. you have green, so add cards like Cultivate, Kodama's Reach, Rampant Growth, Explosive Vegetation. also a Simic Signet is nice to have.

this deck can go anywhere and i had lots of fun trying to figure out a path to playing fun games, i realise that i have been rambling on and on so i would really appreciate your opinion on the matter.

kamelyan on Hugging to Death

2 weeks ago

I like the combo of Walking Archive and Forgotten Ancient, and Aurification says "I'm just helping, so don't attack me; but if you do, make it count."

KingofCorns on Ghave, seeds of Death

2 weeks ago

Forgotten Ancient (With Corpsejack Menace you technically get to double it AND moving them also lets you double it) Retribution of the Ancients

JuQ on Marath Commander of the Wild

3 weeks ago

Need more card draw, a lot more:
Wirewood Savage, Elemental Bond, Mouth / Feed, Shamanic Revelation, Inspiring Call, Garruk, Primal Hunter, Hunter's Prowess, Hunter's Insight, Rishkar's Expertise. There are many on the same theme you can chose among. I usually try to fit at least 8 card draw spells.

Sheltering Word over Predator's Rapport?

Illusionist's Bracers Perfect for Marath.

The other Omnath, Omnath, Locus of Rage comboes nicely with Marath as he can pop 1/1 elementals that will that will trigger 3 points of damage when they die.

Kindred Summons over Selvala's Stampede players will vote "free" anyway...

Forgotten Ancient to recharge Marath with counters, or anyone else.

Ordeal of Nylea enchant Marath and ramp two lands that very same turn.

JuQ on Rafiq of the No Interaction

3 weeks ago

Hi, I have My own Rafiq deck and it actually works quite consistently (at least in my meta of kitchen table magic) Rafiq of the mostly himself.. Rafiq is an amazing commander because he needs really little help to destroy your enemies wich leaves you a lot of slots open in the deck to oil the engine of the deck. On top of that he has a really nice color identity.

I Use 39 lands which may be a bit more than enough, but at least you don't get stuck.

To pump Rafiq I focus mainly on evasion so they dont just chump-block him, Cartouche of Knowledge, Rancor, Shield of the Oversoul, Steel of the Godhead, Unquestioned Authority, Whispersilk Cloak Shroud can be a hinder but this card is just bananas.
When I find an opening or I have a counter in hand I use Might of Oaks (if he hasn't been blocked) or Enlarge to one shot a player (7+3+1)x2= 22.
All those auras you use that give Rafiq just a super big body are a bit overkill in my opinion. If you just give him +2/+0 and some evasion he will only need two attacks to kill someone. Leave you mana open and brag about all the counterspells in your hand.
Forgotten Ancient: Almost forgot about this guy. Gives no evasion, but makes anyone super big.

It looks like you are lacking serously in card draw. Card draw is crucial in Commander because you won't be able to kill and fend from all other players just with your starting seven cards. If you are the player that's drawing one card each turn then you are most likely not going to win.
Hunter's Insight will draw you 8 cards for three mana just attacking with a butt naked Rafiq that happens to be unblocked.
Hunter's Prowess is a heavier version of the previous, with a sexy +3/+3 and trample. I hope you draw the Reliquary Tower.
Snake Umbra: Up to two cards per turn and protection from death.
Pull from Tomorrow: instant braingeiser, nuff said.
Fact or Fiction, Concentrate, Secrets of the Golden City: just flat card draw with a moderate cost, gotta keep the cards comming.
Rush of Knowledge an underated spell. will get you easily four or more cards.
And seven more cards that are cantrips.

Reactions abound:
Counters: Stubborn Denial, Swan Song, Arcane Denial, Disdainful Stroke as cheap counters. Faerie Trickery, Hinder because there are stuff that you just don't want to leave in a graveyard. This spells should be Dissipate and Void Shatter instead, It's in my "to do" list. Bant Charm one of the most versatile card in the game, the three options are good.
Blossoming Defense: protection/boost, Shelter: protection/evasion, Valorous Stance: Protection/removal.

Removals, if I'm not unblockable I will open a way myself!. My phylosophy with removals is "exiling matters" if I use a card slot in a deck in a removal, I want that thing gone for sure, gone forever and not triggering anything:
Bant Charm, Selesnya Charm, Crib Swap, Reality Shift, Curse of the Swine, Valorous Stance. Also Snakeform and Polymorphist's Jest get the job done against indestructible creatures. Provoke is a pet card of me, you gotta see their faces when you meddle in combat between opponents getting one or both of the creatures dead.With the naturalize effects I also want stuff exiled, too many gods and indestructible artifacts. Sylvan Reclamation, Return to Dust, Forsake the Worldly and then those that don't ecile but are too good not to use: Acidic Slime the ooze with deathtouch is quite unwelcomming for big attackers, Qasali Pridemage too on theme with the deck, Trygon Predator reusable naturalize and can destroy two each attack.

My decks are usually low on board wipes, they are boring because they set everyone back, you included. They are only a last resort for me, it works better for me removal of strategic targets but I still run three of them Cyclonic Rift as you, AEtherspouts set one player back to stone age and he'll become the punching bag of the table, Tragic Arrogance board wipe that you lets your main guy live and the worst creature of your opponents.
I have a card slot in the deck (I think I lost a card somewhere), one of the cards I may put is Cataclysmic Gearhulk

For big final play I don't need more than Finest Hour (same as you, no brainer for the deck), Medomai the Ageless to play three turns in a row every time until they kill it.

What I think you are doing wrong:
Yes, you land count is low, it is not 35 but even lower: Maze of Ith doesn't give you mana and Serra's Sanctum in your opening hand wont give you mana either. Then you have the three fetchlands that will take another land from the deck you may need to draw later. The moment you play first time Rafiq everybody will have have their hand overflowing with removals and there will be fewer targets more deserving of removal than him, it will take you forever to get back on your toes.

You lack awfully on card draw, you only have Rhystic Study, Betrayal, Enchantress's Presence, I you don't happen to draw one of them or they get detroyed, the deck will lag and you will lose. In a blue and green deck is a crime to be low on card draw, you need many cards to be sure you get to draw some of then and then they will call to each other, the more you draw the more draw cards you'll get to keep the drawing going. About ten to fifteen cards to draw is a nice number. If you put too many you will find yourself drawing only draw spells, not good either.Rhystic Study is a great card, works on its own and in the worst case slows your opponents, keep it.
Betrayal unless you find a card with a crazy ability that may get abused untapping several times, this card is a bit weak, It's better in a control deck that is already tapping the opponents' creatures.
Enchantress's Presence You have to make up your mind, is this an enchantress deck? because if it is you better be including all the enchantress (Argothian Enchantress, Femeref Enchantress,Mesa Enchantress and Verduran Enchantress) Eidolon of Blossoms, Kor Spiritdancer, Sram, Senior Edificer, and swap several of the cards for enchantments that do something similar (I.E. mana rocks for land auras like Wild Growth). Then you will have a decent card engine.

Eldrazi Conscription big flashy card that's more than Rafiq actually needs, it will be a dead card in your hand until you finally get some way to cheat it to the battlefield. You may at one point be able to cast it but you will run out of mana and expose yourself to removals. You could wait until you have 10 mana, but do you really want to? I would take it out of the deck unless I could consistently cheat it to the battlefield (like having Bruna as commander).

Flickerform Tried this card a lot of times, 90% of the times you won't have four mana available when you need it, that's a lot. also it gives nothing else to Rafiq.

Ghostly Prison and Propaganda: You said you want to kill your oponents as soon as posible, yet you keep building a pillow fort around you. Make up your mind!

Tooth and Nail: The same, you say you want to push voltron to the limits, but you can't help but including the nine mana cost spell that puts the combo in the battlefield.
The point of having a voltron commander is that he is the win condition.

Your deck want's to be too many things (a voltron deck, an enchantress deck, a control-combo deck), but at the end of the day is none. Try to focus on your game plan, you can't just fill a deck with good stuff and expect it to work consistently.

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