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Glimpse the Unthinkable
Target player puts the top ten cards of their library into their graveyard.
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Glimpse the Unthinkable Discussion
3 days ago
Counterspell isn't modern legal, sadly.
Anyway, this looks decently constructed for a "Cards I've got Lying Around" - deck, but I really don't see any point in having Glimpse the Unthinkable , Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker and Startled Awake Flip in here.
Mill cards in a non-mill deck usually won't end up doing much if anything at all, and since the only card in your deck that really benefits from mill, is Lazav, Dimir Mastermind I just don't think they accomplish enough.
6 days ago
3 weeks ago
I think it’s interesting that your deck’s name is “deck rape“, but it has no actual way of interacting with your opponents deck, simply their hand. The name in and of it’s self is misleading. If you want to have it make sense and succeed in making it somewhat similar and name and function, I would suggest creatures like Thief of Sanity or Nightveil Specter or Gonti, Lord of Luxury . Or switch to a straight mill strategy, with Archive Trap and Glimpse the Unthinkable .
3 weeks ago
Conspiracy / Arcane Adaptation / Xenograft with Oona's ability and a lot of mana some infinite combos with it, etc. actually seems pretty good. A big mana dump/Petitioners would be how I would make that deck. Almost no other mill cards, tutors for the type-changers seems efficient. Otherwise going for a lot of ramp in the form of mana rocks, card draw, and control effects and you will always have a mana dump if you hold up mana.
The High Alert Doran style list with beat down seems just bad, trying to go mill and aggro is a weak strategy, stretching yourself very thin. Grand Abolisher could still be a good commander for petitioners, however is just another mill/control strategy.
These lists can run many instant wins/free wins, like a rat colony deck, Coat of Arms , Door of Destinies , Thrumming Stone , Secret Salvage (you can Mill yourself to get one in the yard), etc. and with Oona some Isochron Scepter / Dramatic Reversal , which you work in GAAIV too by infinitely untapping the petitioners.
3 weeks ago
Not sure what colors to run here...
OR I could go Bant and incorporate my Azorius deck idea with some green ramp and Assault Formation ... maybe even slip in some defenders...
I dunno man there are so many good idea's and just don't know which one to go towards...
No matter what build I go with I don't think that this deck is going to be cEDH but it can be fully optimized so keep that in mind.
Also I'd like to form a group of active EDH users to help each other out on each others decks and follow each other, anyone interested?
1 month ago
The library has no intrinsic value on its own. It has the potential for value, but, until actualised, that is all cards in the linrary are. Barring certain situations, you do not know I’d that top card is your 10th land or a much-needed Path to Exile .
Compare to other resources. Life is a more commonly attacked resource, frequently used with shocks/fetches to improve one’s mana. Cards on the battlefield and cards on the stack are realised or soon-to-be-realised. Cards in-hand are known quantities, ready for immediate use. Cards in the graveyard are also known and there is (barring some really old cards) no limit on where you can take cards from.
The library sits there. It provides no relevant information on its own. Yes, it might have the card you want next, but only the Fates know. Until those cards are put into another zone, be it your hand, graveyard, battlefield, or stack, they are little more than statistical probabilities.
To attack the library is to attack these statistical probabilities, not a resources your opponent is using or can swiftly use.
You are not actually denying them either cards or mana - you are denying them an unknown. Yes, you might mill away the card they need; you might also mill away a bunch of useless cards, moving their bomb to the next draw.
To add another problem Petitioners face in Modern, that I previously failed to mention: Meddling Mage . Meddling Mage is commonly played in Humans, itself a common deck. This is not a card you can easily sideboard against, particularly since you have 25 potential dead cards in your proposed deck.
You say “Forget about Glimpse the Unthinkable ” and that mono-Blue will be “much faster”, but you have offered no evidence in support of said claim.
To the contrary, I have offered a deck with a potential turn 4 victory. I have presented, currently unanswered, difficulties with control-based mill.
By all means, I would be happy to be proven wrong. In case the long-winded analysis has not said it for me, I love mill, and would like to see it be viable. Fraying Sanity helped a lot, but it is still a bit too fragile.
Also, contrary to your statement:
I said Persistent Petitioners would make Mill "viable" not competitive - there is a big difference.
You actually said it would be viable in every format, “especially Modern”, evidencing a belief mill was more than simply viable. You went on to say mill would “shine” in a follow-up post. Without actual evidence, you claimed the new mill deck would be faster than the “lame” current one, which would put it a turn-three victory. That would be downright fantastic and possibly competitive for a Modern deck, if it worked.
So, pardon me if I think your backpeddling is a misrepresentation of your previous posts.
With regards to price, it is going up for the same reason Shadowborn Apostle is decently priced. Casual players love cards like this, but they need 20 to 40 copies (depending on format). As such, even if there is a small quantity of buyers, each is ordering 4 to 10, people’s worth of playsets. Supply is low, demand, in terms of quantity of cards, is high, and prices increase as a result.
1 month ago
I would not be surprised if they help Mill win a few Standard tournaments though!
cdkime Actually, the Library is the most valuable resource...through milling it away you are actively achieving card & resource (mana) denial and when your opponent runs out of cards you win when they can no longer draw cards!
Forget about Glimpse the Unthinkable etc...Modern Mono-Blue Mill is going to be where it's at - it will be so much faster than the lame current Modern build you refer to.
And oh yeah...their price has more than tripled in the last few hours ;) :D
Glimpse the Unthinkable occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.05%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.0%