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Spires of Orazca
(Transforms from Thaumatic Compass.)
: Add to your mana pool.
: Untap target attacking creature an opponent controls and remove it from combat.
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Spires of Orazca Discussion
3 months ago
I playtested this against my Dragons.
Eventually I got five Dragons on the field.
By that stage I had enough mana to pay for Lathliss Dragon Queen's ability to pump the Power of my 2/2 up by 9, making it do 11 damage.
I had gotten 4 damage in earlier in the game with Dismissive Pyromancer, leaving this deck on 5.
Jodah, Archmage Eternal really feels more like a Commander card than a Standard card.
He is cheap enough to make recasting no problem.
His ability would let you get away with playing HUGE spells for peanuts.
He's really not suited to Standard, in my opinion.
Working out your mana base a bit more MIGHT speed this deck up a little. I could probably do it, but I'm tired and don't really feel like it.
There are some problems with the plays you've set out.
This can't happen if the first land pays for the second land, and the second land comes in tapped, which is what happened on my test.
T3: Land, Root Snare on opponents turn.
With only three copies of Root Snare in the deck you are more likely to see it in the late game, rather than on Turn 3.
This play can't happen either. Thran Temporal Gateway costs to activate, and Jodah eternal coats to cast, which would require eight mana.
If you played Chromatic Lantern on Turn 4 you would have access to only six mana, but you couldn't also have played Thran Temporal Gateway that turn.
This deck sort of has too much going on.
I do like the Ramp into Zetalpa, Primal Dawn. I believe there is a place for that card in Standard, but it would probably be in a shell with early mana dorks.
The ratio of Creatures to Artifacts feels way off here.
23 cards in this deck are non-creature spells, but they are all concerned with fixing mana, or stopping damage. That is only going to delay the Opponent and help you Ramp so much.
You have no spot removal which meant that all I had to do to protect my main win con, Lathliss, Dragon Queen, was just not attack with her.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings.
I don't really think this deck is viable in Standard.
If you change it and want me to take another look, tag me in these comments.
I used to offer a lot of deck help, but I have really cut that back these days.
3 months ago
I like the new deck name!
I think you would be wise to chuck Risk Factor.
I've run lots of tests against it and most of the time your Opponent will just take the four damage.
There are potentially a lot of life gain decks in this Standard (we don't know the meta for sure, yet). Those decks won't think twice about losing some life.
I'd put another copy of Settle the Wreckage in your Sideboard. As with most Control decks, Creature-heavy decks are tricky for this one to deal with. Particularly if the Creatures aren't actually being cast.
I find that this build isn't as consistent as I'd like it to be, due to the fact that you have only 1 or 2 copies of a lot of your cards.
Spires of Orazca helps a little bit but again, against Creature-heavy decks, you're only removing one of them from combat.
Patient Rebuilding was the surprise card of the bunch, to me.
It very effectively Milled me. Then a second copy came out and my deck was toast.
I'm almost wondering if the build wouldn't be better with a stronger Mill focus and taking Niv-Mizzet, Parun out.
I know you're desperate to build with that Creature, and prove the Pros mistaken, but it's rare that they get things wrong.
They've been playing and brewing Magic with teams of professionals every day of their lives for years.
I tried to brew with Niv-Mizzet, Parun, realised it just wasn't working, and built a more effective deck instead.
I am happy to be proven wrong, but the card just doesn't feel competitive to me.
I hope my comments help. Let me know if you make any changes, and want me to take another look.
(Consider yourself fortunate, I rarely give deck advice any more.)
5 months ago
5 months ago
Hey! Thanks for the mention :)
Love the idea! In terms of pure win percentage, my deck definitely isn't the right way to go about things and I feel that a more defensive pillowfort strategy like you mentioned would net you much more wins.
While red/black aren't the best pillowfort colors in the traditional sense, they have a few cards that slow or disincentivize attackers; not to mention there are a few land and artifact cards that help too. No Mercy, Dread, Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs, Maze of Ith, Mystifying Maze, Spires of Orazca (flipped from Thaumatic Compass Flip), Uphill Battle, Glacial Crevasses, Vow of Malice, Vow of Lightning, and Crawlspace just to name a few. Since most of the pillowfort cards are in white, another route could be playing a card like Queen Marchesa and running Xantcha in the 99.
I think the 8x8 theory is solid for most of these categories! I feel that the player controlling Xantcha dying is a rare enough occurrence (she'll probably get destroyed or another player could get taken out before them) that you might not need a full 8 slots dedicated to sacrificing her. If this does happen, you could always use your single-target removal on her and run a bit more of it. It's not ideal, but might save you from situations where you have a Viscera Seer or Ashnod's Altar and nothing to sacrifice with it.
Same goes with the politics and memes. Depending on your definition of memes, they could have a lot of overlap there too so you might not need to dedicate 16 slots in your deck to both of those (like Curse of Opulence, Sower of Discord, or Disrupt Decorum).
Overall I think you're on the right track and I can't wait to see what you end up with!
7 months ago
You should add Deserted Temple. You can use it to untap Maze of Ith or Spires of Orazca. Thespian's Stage can also copy those lands as well since neither are legendary. If your deck would be interested in more land ramp you might want to also consider Kor Cartographer as a viable option. Nim Deathmantle also seems like a practical card to run especially after a board-wipe or to recur Kami of False Hope.
This looks like a fun deck. Hope my suggestions help out.
7 months ago
so don't know about the thing which cancels the usefulness of the lands other than tapping the lands for mana :/
10 months ago
The main strategy I'd go with is generating large amounts of artifact tokens/creatures to win with either riches or crazy recursion loops with giant beaters, sacking a few myr or thopters with something like Champion of Stray Souls to bring back all your giant beasties. This is just a bunch of possible options that would help with that strategy.
Suggested Lands, don't need that many basics since you won't be fetching that many in U/B
Jwar Isle Refuge
Geier Reach Sanitarium
Arch of Orazca
- Magnifying Glass
- Ruthless Knave
- Revel in Riches
- Deadeye Plunderers
- Sly Requisitioner
- Genesis Chamber
- Prototype Portal
- Golem Foundry
- Pitiless Plunderer
- Myr Sire
- Efficient Construction
- Prying Blade
- Tamiyo's Journal
I'm not dead yet!
- Soul of New Phyrexia
- Artisan of Kozilek
- Betrayal of Flesh
- Champion of Stray Souls
- Diabolic Servitude
- Dread Return
- Ever After
- Hell's Caretaker
- Infernal Offering
- Profane Command
- Stitch Together
- Tempt with Immortality
11 months ago
Awesome. Thanks for the amazing game reports. Opponnents getting salty is why I think that the deck belongs in a large and rotating meta. Familiarity breeds contempt. Getting beat this way sometimes is fun. Getting beat just about every game is not fun.
As for possible early commander aggression, I would suggest the Vow cycle. I prefer Vow of Malice, since giving them intimidate when they can't attack you is great, but giving them first strike with Vow of Lightning, or vigilance with Vow of Duty, since both can be used against you by enhancing their ability to block, is not as great. You could also consider Darksteel Mutation, even though it makes part of their offense ineffective for use against your opponents. Any of these are pretty good, and could replace or be added to Swords to Plowshares, Path to Exile, etc... as spot removal. I have tried all of these, but my meta did not have super fast voltron decks, and I wanted to have the versatility of the spot removal that I currently use for taking out strong utility creatures or commanders who have an effect on the game that is not related to combat. I will continue to think about the super fast voltron decks. Usually my Maze of Ith, Kor Haven, Spires of Orazca, Delaying Shield, Solitary Confinement, Forcefield, Delirium, Backlash, Fog suite, spot removal suite, Threaten effect suite, Rattlesnake suite, and suite of cards to encourage them to attack elsewhere all keep my losses to voltron under control. That being said, the only real contenders in that category in my meta have been Omnath, Locus of Mana and Gisela, Blade of Goldnight, and they are not super fast.
I personally love the interaction of Selfless Squire with another Fog. They feel safe after the Selfless Squire has already hit the board, and they swing at you with everything. Fog, they are tapped, and you can swing for more than they did. You can sometimes bait people into overcommitting by dropping Selfless Squire to prevent even a modest amount of damage when holding another Fog. The usual game plan for someone who you think holds a Fog but doesn't have much to retaliate with is to attack into them. They need to be forced to play it, then you alpha-strike. That is what most people do against this deck when they get to know it. They force the Fog, then alpha-strike. I can often bait them into overcommitting by dropping the Selfless Squire against a moderate attack. Usually this makes a 10/10 Squire or more. When they see that big beater and what they think was a wasted Fog, they decide to take me out before that Squire can get a chance to get bigger. They figure that they can withstand that 10+ damage, even if I survive, so they swing with everything trying to take me out. Then I drop a Batwing Brume or something, survive, and they are tapped out. I get to swing into them for sometimes more than 40. Crazy turnaround.