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Actually Gravepurge and Bone Harvest work nicely with Goblin Charbelcher which works nicely with Grenzo... I might do this after all.

TheNocholas well I haven't used either of them.

Gravepurge is neat, effectively a reprint of Bone Harvest. I've used Bone Harvest from time to time but I would just rather use something like Rise of the Dark Realms, Living End or Living Death. Bone Harvest did save me from a mill deck once and you could use either in response to Bojuka Bog or other grave hate. If I find myself really needing an answer to grave hate then these certainly become really strong possibilities.

Liliana's Contract should be an awesome addition to the deck I just need to pick one up... The card draw will always be useful. I think especially in an apostle deck where it can be easy to play your whole hand in a turn or two. Add to that the potential to win the game on your upkeep and now your opponents have to eliminate it, you, or a demon. Not usually a good idea to draw so much attention so it is a gamble but it is also necessary to have ways of winning that don't use combat.

Thanks for the ideas so far but spleen why bother with something like Goblin Sledder when you can just cast grenzo for 3 mana to get the exact same result?

I recently put together Dungeon Of The Occult led by Grenzo, Dungeon Warden and now that I've gotten to play it a few times I really want to add some infinite mana combo.

I know some of the more normal ones like Rings of Brighthearth + untappable mana source like Basalt Monolith.

I'm really hoping for something that interacts better with Grenzo. The absolute best would be a combo using only creatures with power 2 or less.

Thanks for your recommendations.

A friend of mine built a god deck and was having trouble with devotion so he included some of the following and they really helped.

Deity of Scars, Demigod of Revenge, Deus of Calamity, Divinity of Pride, Dominus of Fealty, Ghastlord of Fugue, Godhead of Awe, Nobilis of War, Overbeing of Myth, Oversoul of Dusk, Progenitus.

He only runs 3 or 4 of them but most of them are interesting options to run. Fist of Suns is also really nice in his deck.

Older20 most the people I play with like to play slow-ish decks and we don't really start playing much until turn 4 or so in many cases. By then it is pretty easy to have 1 or 2 pillows out. I also have some rather good accel out of some of the cards under the mana section. Sword of the Animist and Dowsing Dagger  ^Flip are great in the early game, no one blocks Marchesa unless they have to. That said I've been looking at reducing the average CMC with some of the things in the maybe list.

As long as you are using lands that sac themselves to get you ahead in some way it always has the potential to be worth a slot. It might be even better in Markov since you don't have green's ridiculous ramp. I know my Queen Marchesa deck can have difficulties making land drops sometimes.

If you go with Rashmi you should definitely take advantage of the effect being the first spell each turn. If you have Leyline of Anticipation and Vedalken Orrery I would use them if not there are some cheaper but not as effective options such as Yeva, Nature's Herald and Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir.

Since this is for a more tuned meta control should be the focus of the deck but you might consider running Oona's Grace. Instant speed retrace could be alright. Maybe?

I'm not sure about how to finish the game it seems like every blue control deck uses Laboratory Maniac... Perhaps Metallurgic Summonings could find a spot?

Grain of salt since I'm not a competitive player, just been playing a long time.

Rashmi will be more fun if you don't mind some randomness or if you are a bit masochistic like me and actually enjoy not always knowing what will happen. He can play the game a little differently and you have more choices in building the deck than Edric has.

Edric is more consistent and will likely win more games but I tend to think of him as a "solved" commander. When actually building his deck there are not a lot of options and the options get considerably lessened by the competitiveness of the table.

Nesmer2 I'm glad you found my list then, feel free to steal it or pieces of it :)

Solitary Confinement definitely needs to find a space in here. I'll be making some updates here after I build my C18 inspired lists.

I find that the difference between an island and Hallowed Fountain in dual-colors is really close to being a non issue. If you go to three colors playing lands that produce two or more of your colors becomes important but with two colors and a hand with three lands the difference is rather small. It is optimal if you get the shocks or whatever but most of the time in two colors basics will be enough.

With the right acceleration you can alleviate any color screw that might occur. You can also help yourself by running things that mostly only want a single color or want one of each color. Avoiding things that want 3 of one color unless it is really powerful for what you are doing.

And you can relax those restrictions when you can afford the optimal land base.

Nevermore, Lignify, and Song of the Dryads are great options for dealing with commanders.

Karador decks will always have issues with things like anafenza. That is kind of the point but you could focus more on being a reanimation build. Having a focus on bringing game ending cards back from the grave over and over will mean that even without being able to use the grave you still have big fatties that end games. Any eldrazi titan, Craterhoof Behemoth, Razaketh, the Foulblooded, Sun Titan, and Grave Titan are all good options for that strategy.

It does tend to be a slower strategy though so you might lose more often to fast decks... Always a trade off.

Blue Sun's Zenith and Braingeyser with infinite or a lot of mana will draw someone out of the game. Most group hug decks tend towards infinite combos to win.

Hmmm well it can be awkward to turn one deck into another deck... I think if you can afford it just build a totally new deck. If not then it might be helpful to decide on what the must includes from the old deck are and put those in a list. If you haven't already this site will show you all the esper commanders and the average cards people use with them:

https://edhrec.com/commanders/wub

scotchtapedsleeves well funny thing is that like a decade ago I was getting into an MMO and didn't stop to spellcheck my name... After that it just kinda stuck, so yeah its intentional :)

Merieke Ri Berit is a strong contender for your command zone. She is a rather powerful removal engine when paired with Pemmin's Aura or any number of other things. You can also just hold onto a creature or multiple creatures if you use Helm of the Host on her.

Kamigawa is from before they started making "official" tokens.

I don't know much about 8x8 so I'll take a look through that article but I did want to mention that I think Words of War and Words of Waste would be rather nice if you went infinite mana or just a lot of mana so you don't draw yourself out and you end up hurting your opponents even more when you activate her.

You could try out my favorite deck, Divine Decree. It pillows up and bleeds people out of the game with things like Painful Quandary. If that fails there are combos, of course if combo isn't your thing just take those out.

I won't be of much help since the only one you didn't mention that I can think of is Jalira, Master Polymorphist. Honestly though if this is the deck you want to build I would run Jalira, Master Polymorphist as the commander. It does limit you to mono-blue but there are a lot of giant sea creatures in blue so it should work rather well. You can use a combination of tokens you produce and theft effects to grab opponents stuff and turn it into your own things.

https://edhrec.com/commanders/jalira-master-polymorphist

Plenty of good ideas and links to decks on that page.