Compelling Argument

Compelling Argument

Sorcery

Target player puts the top five cards of his or her library into his or her graveyard.

Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)

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Mystery Booster (MYS1) Common
Amonkhet (AKH) Common

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Format Legality
Legacy Legal
Pauper Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Duel Commander Legal
2019-10-04 Legal
Highlander Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Penny Dreadful Legal
Frontier Legal
Leviathan Legal
Pauper EDH Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Pioneer Legal
Modern Legal
Unformat Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Casual Legal
Vintage Legal

Compelling Argument Discussion

Clashboy15 on Ub tutelage mill

2 months ago

Definitely Needed Cards:

Hedron Crab: because it can consistently mill and works well with fetches. 4x

Glimpse the Unthinkable: straight up best two mana mill card. 4x

Archive Trap: easy to play it as free in modern since it is an instant and everybody uses fetches. 4x

Mesmeric Orb: even though it mills you, its worth it since it can mill a crap ton of your opponents deck. 4x

Visions of Beyond: this will easily draw you thre cards for one mana because of how much milling you would be doing. 4x

Drown in the Loch: this card will counter almost any cards or just kill anything for 2 mana! 4x

Maybe Cards:

Breaking: just a little bit more mill.

Crypt Incursion: Some life gain for matchups against creature decks.

Surgical Extraction: It lets you take out all key cards or combo pieces from opponent's deck!

Scheming Symmetry: Cheap and tutors a card for you and your opponent. You can also activate archive trap for free after that and make sure the opponent doesn't get that card into his/her hand.

Cards to Cut: Compelling Argument: Milling five for two mana isn't really good and the cycling ability is just meh as well because card draw usually isn't a problem in mill decks. -4x

Jace's Archivist: It just cost too much mana and four mana for a wheel that can die easily is just too much. I know it works well with sphinx's tutelage, but it's a little slow. -4x

Jace's Phantasm: It can provide you with a good body, but a true mill deck wouldn't need it. -4x\

Serum Visions or Opt: You don't need that much card draw. -4x

Lands: 29 lands is wayyy too much. 22-24 should suffice. I would recommend 4x Watery Grave since you can fetch it with polluted delta. 4x Field of Ruin instead of dismal backwater. Tap lands are not very good and 1 life isn't really that important. Also field of ruin provides you utility against land based decks and will allow you to fix your mana and activates archive trap. Also, cut some baisic lands or scry lands for some Darkslick Shores, Prismatic Vista or Drowned Catacomb

Whirlwind_2100 on The Ur-Dragon

2 months ago

Uh... Im not sure you know what your commander does based on your creature pool. On a scale of 1-10, i would rate this a 1.5, but i'll help you with that. You might as well be running Golos, Tireless Pilgrim. You have a small number of Dragons in the deck, and I noticed a bunch of useless non-dragon creatures in the deck.

32 lands is wayyyy to few, and you have an awful mana base, even on a budget, having only 1 tri-land and a random af arrangement of shock and gain lands.

You have little ramp, if any, which will slow you down greatly in a format such as commander Another concern is your lack of mana rocks. Why only one signet?

Your removal is pathetic, to be honest, with only one murder. Removal is IMPORTANT in commander, being used at both utility and a rich bargaining tool in the political side of the format.

But enough with flaming the deck, here is what I would put it.

First off, let's talk about your commander. It supports a heavy dragon tribal theme, and you want nearly all of your creatures creatures that either add to this theme or ramp you to get him out earlier. If you are to be running a non dragon creature, make sure it is a utility creature such as Reclamation Sage that can either ramp you or get rid of problems on the board.

Here is what I would cut if i was building him:

Creatures:

Ajani's Pridemate - No lifegain synergy and bad creature in EDH

Brineborn Cutthroat - A 2/2 with flash wont cut it in Ur

Corpse Knight - No sacrifice theme

Dreadmalkin - cmon, really?

Empyrean Eagle - Other cards do this a lot more efficiently

Exava, Rakdos Blood Witch - No madness or counter theme

Faerie Vandal - just no

Garenbrig Carver - bad in general

Gravedigger - not a dragon

Grumgully, the Generous - not efficent

Hackrobat

Kronch Wrangler

Law-Rune Enforcer

Leafkin Druid

Lightning Stormkin

Loxodon Sergeant

Meddling Mage

Nimble Birdsticker

Nyxborn Marauder

Shepherd of the Flock

Spectral Sailor

Squee, Goblin Nabob

Wandermare

Venerable Knight - no synergy in deck

Instant:

Gift of Strength

Infuriate

Murder

Scorching Dragonfire

Soul Manipulation

Artifact:

Manalith - You can keep it in, but it isn't very good

Helm of Awakening

Crystal Shard

Sorcery:

Compelling Argument - 0 MILL THEME!!!

Enchantment:

Moldervine Reclamation

Here is what I would add:

Creature:

Dryad of the Ilysian Grove - Can ramp you AND fix your mana

Lathliss, Dragon Queen

Utvara Hellkite

Silumgar, the Drifting Death

Scalelord Reckoner

Scourge of Valkas

Dragonspeaker Shaman - cuts down mana cost drastically

Dragonlord Kolaghan - Haste enabler and good beater

Dragonlord Dromoka - game winning lockdown effect

Ramos, Dragon Engine

Drakuseth, Maw of Flames

Deathbringer Regent

Balefire Dragon

Nicol Bolas, the Ravager  Flip

Hellkite Tyrant

Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund - haste enabler

Kokusho, the Evening Star - good beater with amazing ability

Birds of Paradise - great mana dork

Scourge of the Throne

Dragon Broodmother

Dragonlord's Servant

Removal

Swords to Plowshares

Path to Exile

Assassin's Trophy

Anguished Unmaking

Utter End

Beast Within

Putrefy

Terminate

Krosan Grip

Decimate

Ramp:

Kodama's Reach

Farseek

Cultivate

Explosive Vegetation

Skyshroud Claim

Circuitous Route

Mana Rocks

Sol Ring

Mind Stone

Commander's Sphere

Arcane Signet

Darksteel Ingot

ALL the signets (Emphasis on ALL)

Lands:

All tri-lands from Tarkir and Alara

Haven of the Spirit Dragon

Exotic Orchard

Terramorphic Expanse

Try to get all 10 fetch and shock lands if at all possible

City of Brass

Reflecting Pool

Fabled Passage

Temple of the False God

Utility lands:

Bojuka Bog

Reliquary Tower

Maze of Ith

Rogue's Passage

Planeswalkers:

Sarkhan, Fireblood

Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner

Anthems:

Metallic Mimic

Icon of Ancestry

Urza's Incubator

Coat of Arms

Vanquisher's Banner

This is just a few thing I think the deck could need, obviously it needs ore board wipes and wincons, however this is a good place to start. I want to be clear, I dont hate the deck, but I Think it needs improvements to become and 8. For your first commander deck, it's just fine. Thanks for reading. Cheers

T_Dog345 on T_Dog345

3 months ago

Alright, let's see if maybe this will help. I'm really new to everything on here sorry. //Lands 2 Dismal Backwater 1 Dimir Guildgate 2 Submerged Boneyard 4 Evolving Wilds 2 Desert of the Mindful 1 Arcane Lighthouse 1 Reliquary Tower 1 Temple of the False God

//Spells 4 Duress 2 Ghoulcaller's Chant 3 Macabre Waltz 3 Sleep 4 Slip Through Space 2 Taigam's Scheming 4 Tome Scour 4 Lich's Caress 4 Sovereign's Bite 4 Resourceful Return 3 March of the Returned 1 In Garruk's Wake 1 Army of the Damned 1 Dutiful Return 1 Decompose 1 Worst Fears 1 Rise of the Dark Realms 4 Hubris 4 Countermand 1 Tezzeret's Touch 1 Paranoid Delusions 1 Coerced Confession 2 Mind Sculpt 1 Compelling Argument 1 Index 1 Redirect 1 Dream Twist 2 Gift of Tusks 2 Rewind 3 Thought Scour 2 Psychic Spiral 1 Gigadrowse 4 Negate 1 Overwhelming Denial 1 Dramatic Reversal 1 Impulse 2 Cremate 3 Crypt Incursion 2 Grim Harvest 1 Scarab Feast 1 Grim Return 1 Gravepurge 1 Dark Ritual 4 Font of Return 3 Death's Approach 2 Cast into Darkness 1 Triskaidekaphobia 1 Grave Betrayal 1 Endless Ranks of the Dead 3 Invisibility 2 Curiosity 4 Curse of the Bloody Tome 3 Illusory Wrappings 3 Ice Over 1 Chronic Flooding 1 Navigator's Ruin 1 Chant of the Skifsang 3 Bone Saw 3 Millstone 3 Tormod's Crypt 2 Trepanation Blade 1 Ghoulcaller's Bell 1 Masterwork of Ingenuity 1 Sol Ring 1 Nihil Spellbomb 1 Illusionist's Bracers 1 Codex Shredder 1 Profane Memento 1 Loxodon Warhammer 1 Bonehoard 1 Trusty Machete 1 Mirari 1 Argentum Armor

//Creatures 1 Archetype of Finality 1 Overeager Apprentice 1 Agent of Erebos 1 Butcher Ghoul 1 Risen Executioner 1 Dutiful Attendant 1 Sly Requisitioner 1 Sepulchral Primordial 2 Zombie Assassin 1 Nightmare 1 Marshmist Titan 3 Graven Abomination 4 Workshop Assistant 4 Guardians of Meletis 2 Phyrexian Revoker 2 Ornithopter 1 Juggernaut 2 Veilborn Ghoul 2 Minotaur Abomination 4 Undead Servant 3 Gravedigger 2 Mogis's Marauder 2 Bogstomper 4 Walking Corpse 3 Corpse Hauler 4 Gravewaker 2 Returned Phalanx 3 Faerie Miscreant 1 Master of Predicaments 2 Benthic Giant 1 Stormtide Leviathan 4 Screeching Skaab 2 Seer of the Last Tomorrow 1 Floating-Dream Zubera 3 Fog Bank 1 Possessed Skaab 3 Armored Skaab 2 Murmuring Phantasm 1 Wall of Frost 4 Doorkeeper 1 Clever Impersonator 1 Jace's Mindseeker 1 Oculus 1 Mindshrieker 1 Willbreaker 1 Spellweaver Eternal 1 Wall of Mist 1 Sultai Skullkeeper 1 Diregraf Captain

silentone2k on Drowned Sanity

3 months ago

I like Compelling Argument because I find the ability to dig for the key enchantments super useful. The deck has a huge a/b problem where the mill spells just can't get there fast enough alone and need the support. No problem about the black mana; I keep removing this from the dimir hub and getting re-added.

Ninjew42 on Drowned Sanity

4 months ago

Mind Sculpt or Breaking / Entering is better for mill with the same CMC as Compelling Argument unless you want the ability to Cycle.

Meachman on This deck takes brains

4 months ago

The cycling sub-theme seems like a lot more investments than payoffs.

Gempalm Polluter feels like a nice zombie-themed include. Same for Lurching Rotbeast and Moaning Wall. Undead Gladiator also synergizes with your Bone Miser.

Running removal options like Clear/Forsake the Worldly, Expunge,Cast Out and Akroma's Vengeance might be useful. Your deck looks defensive, so maybe Choking Tethers or Djeru's Renunciation?

To bolster your control, maybe Compelling Argument or Countervailing Winds?

Scarab Feast and Rapid Decay answer decks that want you to mill them or use their own graveyards. Unearth gets low-cost zombies or Phantasmal Image back.

Maybe Abandoned Sarcophagus, while you're at it? And if you're cycling so much, throw in Fluctuator.

the__odysseus on Dimir mill

8 months ago

Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker is Far too slow. I'd drop the Startled Awake  Flips, the Traumatize s are wayyy to slow. How about Compelling Argument and Tome Scour instead. A full four Into the Story is crucial to refill your hand, and maybe a single copy of Treasure Cruise or Dig Through Time is worth it here? Fatal Push is definitely worth it here. Mind Grind is kinda weird. It doesn't tend to work as well as you think it will. Consuming Aberration is not the card for this deck. I'd add in some sweepers, maybe 3 Languish ?

__theblackthorn on Milling in the Name of

10 months ago

You might look into Compelling Argument and Thought Collapse as well. I currently play a similar version and just started running Ghostly Flicker for extra Cancrix triggers. Definitely fun when you get multiples into play.

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