Target player puts the top five cards of his or her library into his or her graveyard.
Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
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Compelling Argument Discussion
2 months ago
Definitely Needed Cards:
Hedron Crab: because it can consistently mill and works well with fetches. 4x
Glimpse the Unthinkable: straight up best two mana mill card. 4x
Archive Trap: easy to play it as free in modern since it is an instant and everybody uses fetches. 4x
Mesmeric Orb: even though it mills you, its worth it since it can mill a crap ton of your opponents deck. 4x
Visions of Beyond: this will easily draw you thre cards for one mana because of how much milling you would be doing. 4x
Drown in the Loch: this card will counter almost any cards or just kill anything for 2 mana! 4x
Breaking: just a little bit more mill.
Crypt Incursion: Some life gain for matchups against creature decks.
Surgical Extraction: It lets you take out all key cards or combo pieces from opponent's deck!
Scheming Symmetry: Cheap and tutors a card for you and your opponent. You can also activate archive trap for free after that and make sure the opponent doesn't get that card into his/her hand.
Cards to Cut: Compelling Argument: Milling five for two mana isn't really good and the cycling ability is just meh as well because card draw usually isn't a problem in mill decks. -4x
Jace's Archivist: It just cost too much mana and four mana for a wheel that can die easily is just too much. I know it works well with sphinx's tutelage, but it's a little slow. -4x
Jace's Phantasm: It can provide you with a good body, but a true mill deck wouldn't need it. -4x\
Lands: 29 lands is wayyy too much. 22-24 should suffice. I would recommend 4x Watery Grave since you can fetch it with polluted delta. 4x Field of Ruin instead of dismal backwater. Tap lands are not very good and 1 life isn't really that important. Also field of ruin provides you utility against land based decks and will allow you to fix your mana and activates archive trap. Also, cut some baisic lands or scry lands for some Darkslick Shores, Prismatic Vista or Drowned Catacomb
2 months ago
Uh... Im not sure you know what your commander does based on your creature pool. On a scale of 1-10, i would rate this a 1.5, but i'll help you with that. You might as well be running Golos, Tireless Pilgrim. You have a small number of Dragons in the deck, and I noticed a bunch of useless non-dragon creatures in the deck.
32 lands is wayyyy to few, and you have an awful mana base, even on a budget, having only 1 tri-land and a random af arrangement of shock and gain lands.
You have little ramp, if any, which will slow you down greatly in a format such as commander Another concern is your lack of mana rocks. Why only one signet?
Your removal is pathetic, to be honest, with only one murder. Removal is IMPORTANT in commander, being used at both utility and a rich bargaining tool in the political side of the format.
But enough with flaming the deck, here is what I would put it.
First off, let's talk about your commander. It supports a heavy dragon tribal theme, and you want nearly all of your creatures creatures that either add to this theme or ramp you to get him out earlier. If you are to be running a non dragon creature, make sure it is a utility creature such as Reclamation Sage that can either ramp you or get rid of problems on the board.
Here is what I would cut if i was building him:
Ajani's Pridemate - No lifegain synergy and bad creature in EDH
Brineborn Cutthroat - A 2/2 with flash wont cut it in Ur
Corpse Knight - No sacrifice theme
Dreadmalkin - cmon, really?
Empyrean Eagle - Other cards do this a lot more efficiently
Exava, Rakdos Blood Witch - No madness or counter theme
Faerie Vandal - just no
Garenbrig Carver - bad in general
Gravedigger - not a dragon
Grumgully, the Generous - not efficent
Venerable Knight - no synergy in deck
Manalith - You can keep it in, but it isn't very good
Compelling Argument - 0 MILL THEME!!!
Here is what I would add:
Dryad of the Ilysian Grove - Can ramp you AND fix your mana
Dragonspeaker Shaman - cuts down mana cost drastically
Dragonlord Kolaghan - Haste enabler and good beater
Dragonlord Dromoka - game winning lockdown effect
Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund - haste enabler
Kokusho, the Evening Star - good beater with amazing ability
Birds of Paradise - great mana dork
ALL the signets (Emphasis on ALL)
All tri-lands from Tarkir and Alara
Try to get all 10 fetch and shock lands if at all possible
This is just a few thing I think the deck could need, obviously it needs ore board wipes and wincons, however this is a good place to start. I want to be clear, I dont hate the deck, but I Think it needs improvements to become and 8. For your first commander deck, it's just fine. Thanks for reading. Cheers
3 months ago
Alright, let's see if maybe this will help. I'm really new to everything on here sorry. //Lands 2 Dismal Backwater 1 Dimir Guildgate 2 Submerged Boneyard 4 Evolving Wilds 2 Desert of the Mindful 1 Arcane Lighthouse 1 Reliquary Tower 1 Temple of the False God
//Spells 4 Duress 2 Ghoulcaller's Chant 3 Macabre Waltz 3 Sleep 4 Slip Through Space 2 Taigam's Scheming 4 Tome Scour 4 Lich's Caress 4 Sovereign's Bite 4 Resourceful Return 3 March of the Returned 1 In Garruk's Wake 1 Army of the Damned 1 Dutiful Return 1 Decompose 1 Worst Fears 1 Rise of the Dark Realms 4 Hubris 4 Countermand 1 Tezzeret's Touch 1 Paranoid Delusions 1 Coerced Confession 2 Mind Sculpt 1 Compelling Argument 1 Index 1 Redirect 1 Dream Twist 2 Gift of Tusks 2 Rewind 3 Thought Scour 2 Psychic Spiral 1 Gigadrowse 4 Negate 1 Overwhelming Denial 1 Dramatic Reversal 1 Impulse 2 Cremate 3 Crypt Incursion 2 Grim Harvest 1 Scarab Feast 1 Grim Return 1 Gravepurge 1 Dark Ritual 4 Font of Return 3 Death's Approach 2 Cast into Darkness 1 Triskaidekaphobia 1 Grave Betrayal 1 Endless Ranks of the Dead 3 Invisibility 2 Curiosity 4 Curse of the Bloody Tome 3 Illusory Wrappings 3 Ice Over 1 Chronic Flooding 1 Navigator's Ruin 1 Chant of the Skifsang 3 Bone Saw 3 Millstone 3 Tormod's Crypt 2 Trepanation Blade 1 Ghoulcaller's Bell 1 Masterwork of Ingenuity 1 Sol Ring 1 Nihil Spellbomb 1 Illusionist's Bracers 1 Codex Shredder 1 Profane Memento 1 Loxodon Warhammer 1 Bonehoard 1 Trusty Machete 1 Mirari 1 Argentum Armor
//Creatures 1 Archetype of Finality 1 Overeager Apprentice 1 Agent of Erebos 1 Butcher Ghoul 1 Risen Executioner 1 Dutiful Attendant 1 Sly Requisitioner 1 Sepulchral Primordial 2 Zombie Assassin 1 Nightmare 1 Marshmist Titan 3 Graven Abomination 4 Workshop Assistant 4 Guardians of Meletis 2 Phyrexian Revoker 2 Ornithopter 1 Juggernaut 2 Veilborn Ghoul 2 Minotaur Abomination 4 Undead Servant 3 Gravedigger 2 Mogis's Marauder 2 Bogstomper 4 Walking Corpse 3 Corpse Hauler 4 Gravewaker 2 Returned Phalanx 3 Faerie Miscreant 1 Master of Predicaments 2 Benthic Giant 1 Stormtide Leviathan 4 Screeching Skaab 2 Seer of the Last Tomorrow 1 Floating-Dream Zubera 3 Fog Bank 1 Possessed Skaab 3 Armored Skaab 2 Murmuring Phantasm 1 Wall of Frost 4 Doorkeeper 1 Clever Impersonator 1 Jace's Mindseeker 1 Oculus 1 Mindshrieker 1 Willbreaker 1 Spellweaver Eternal 1 Wall of Mist 1 Sultai Skullkeeper 1 Diregraf Captain
3 months ago
I like Compelling Argument because I find the ability to dig for the key enchantments super useful. The deck has a huge a/b problem where the mill spells just can't get there fast enough alone and need the support. No problem about the black mana; I keep removing this from the dimir hub and getting re-added.
4 months ago
4 months ago
The cycling sub-theme seems like a lot more investments than payoffs.
8 months ago
Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker is Far too slow. I'd drop the Startled Awake Flips, the Traumatize s are wayyy to slow. How about Compelling Argument and Tome Scour instead. A full four Into the Story is crucial to refill your hand, and maybe a single copy of Treasure Cruise or Dig Through Time is worth it here? Fatal Push is definitely worth it here. Mind Grind is kinda weird. It doesn't tend to work as well as you think it will. Consuming Aberration is not the card for this deck. I'd add in some sweepers, maybe 3 Languish ?
10 months ago
You might look into Compelling Argument and Thought Collapse as well. I currently play a similar version and just started running Ghostly Flicker for extra Cancrix triggers. Definitely fun when you get multiples into play.