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When Seraph Sanctuary enters the battlefield, you gain 1 life.
Whenever an Angel enters the battlefield under your control, you gain 1 life.
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Seraph Sanctuary Discussion
Brylon on Shalai EDH
3 weeks ago
Making some updates to address some of the concerns I have with the early version of this deck:
(no need to have an extreme mana base with this early of a deck version. Expect mana base to continue to change)
(no ETB )
(no ETB, cost reduction on turn 5 not powerful enough)
(expensive value negated by real ramp)
(too expensive for a 2 color deck)
2 months ago
My first thought is that you're not taking nearly as much advantage of Licia's cost-reduction ability as you could be. Lands such as Wind-Scarred Crag and Bloodfell Caves fix your colors, and their enter-the-battlefield-tapped drawback is mitigated by the fact that the lifegain makes Licia cheaper the turn they enter play. Radiant Fountain is basically a Dark Ritual in this deck!
On a similar note, look for cards that give you an effect on top of gaining you life. Pristine Talisman effectively taps for two in this deck. Zuran Orb can give you a turn-3 Licia all by itself. Renewed Faith can either power out an early Licia or cycle in the late game for (essentially) zero mana. Vraska's Contempt essentially exiles any creature or planeswalker for the bargain price of BB. And so on.
2 months ago
Knight of the White Orchid is a bit tricky - it's an ok card, mostly, but not when you are on the play and hit your lands. But if you use Ghost Quarter it gets pretty good, since ghost quarter leaves you down a land, compared to your opponent. Also, 2/2 first strike can be randomly relevant. I've tried playing it turn 2 on the draw a few times, and that is pretty convincing against fair decks - suddenly you are ahead on mana, without having really spent a card on it. Also worth noting: Your land comes into play untapped. What is it you don't like about it being an ETB-effect?
Since you have Time of Need in your deck, more legendary angels instead of serra angel could be a way to go. Archangel Avacyn Flip, Avacyn, Angel of Hope, Bruna, the Fading Light + Gisela, the Broken Blade, Linvala, Keeper of Silence, and Sigarda, Host of Herons, are all decent legendary angels, and bringing them as one-offs is ok, as long as you have tutors for them.
I would exchange Prepare for Path to Exile. It's a bit of a dull card in comparison, since it's played by everyone and their mother, but that is because of efficiency. One mana to get rid of a creature is ridiculous, even if your opponent gets a basic land. Of course the land is relevant in the earliest turns of the game. But from turn 3 and on, I don't think anyone plays creatures they would like to exchange for basic lands. So... try with a 2/2 split.
Aerial Responder... hmmm... what is important? Lifegain? flying? that it's a creature? that it's a 3-drop? There are all kinds of good 3-drops in modern, depending on budget. Eternal Witness, Kitchen Finks, Renegade Rallier, Mirran Crusader, Blade Splicer... it really depends on what you want. Or you could go down a mana on ccm, for something like Scavenging Ooze or Qasali Pridemage. Or you could go a mana up, and add a couple of token-producing planeswalkers (since they do pretty much the same as Oketra's Monument they benefit from the same cards as the rest of the token-plan) - it could be Gideon, Ally of Zendikar or Elspeth, Knight-Errant.
I suggested Seraph Sanctuary because it's on-theme for your deck, not because it's particularly good in any way.
2 months ago
Thanks for your response. No offense taken.
On Prepare, how many do you think I should run? What should I put in for it?
What do you think I should replace Responder with?
I’ll try playing Seraph Sanctuary, but I’m not sure that Colourless mana will work. I’ll try it with the dual lands when I get them.
Thanks for your response,
2 months ago
Very casual. Much random one-off. Such underpowered. wow.
Sry. Seems sarcastic, but you have a pile of cards that could be, well... better. Probably even without having to participate in anything criminal in order to pay for their replacements.
Accorder Paladin and Glorious Anthem are both great for decks with a lot of low-powered attackers. I assume that they are supposed to go with the tokens from Oketra's Monument. Problem is that you have so few of them. And oketras monument... hmmm... wouldn't that be better in a deck with a lot of very cheap creatures? So instead of 4 Serra Angel, you'd have something a lot cheaper, and maybe with some built-in card draw (to make a bunch of tokens fast, by enabling you to keep casting creatures, and to dig for the monuments). Anyway, if you wanted to buff the whole team, Honor of the Pure is easier on your mana, and doesn't compete with oketra monument for the 3-cmc slot. Path of Bravery is supposed to go with this stategy too, I guess, but is a really bad card. It's expensive, and only helps you if you are already ahead. Drawing it after a burn deck has hit you for 8 or 10 life in turn 2, it does nothing for you.
Serra Angel... the most brutally efficient beatstick in magic in the summer of 1997, and winner of the Miss Angel 1994, 1995, 1996. Since then, younger models have surpassed her, and today 5-cmc creatures in modern has to be strong enough to more or less just win a game on their own. If you went with the Oketra's Monument-plan, a replacement angel could be Angel of Jubilation. She's pretty good with tokens, and randomly hates fetchlands, but is unfortunately only toughness 3, so Lightning Bolts are a problem. Not so much of a problem, if you played 4 anthem-like effects (more like 4 Honor of the Pure, but that's the same). Anyway, Archangel Avacyn Flip has the same ccm as Serra Angel, but you get a lot more angel for your mana. And a low-end table-sweeper on top of that. Or maybe Baneslayer Angel? Same cost, bigger body, nice abilities, although protection against demons and dragons are a bit random.
Why is there a single Citadel Castellan in this list? It doesn't really fit with anything else... Probably a decent creature in a GW Little Kid-type deck on a budget, but here it just takes up space.
Prepare is funny, and all that. Aftermath is an interesting mechanic, that doesn't look like flashback at all, no sir, not in any way. But 4 Prepare seems like overkill - it's not the kind of card you want to draw more than one of on your opening hand. And stuffing 4 Prepare in your deck before having added any Path to Exile is most likely a mistake - as removal, Fight costs 4 mana and relies on you having the biggest creature in play already, whereas path is path; 1 mana: "go away, troublesome critter, oh, and here's a basic land as compensation". Not really great on turns 1 and 2, but then, you can't even play Fight that early.
You have too little land. There should be at least 24 (even counting your mana dudes), since you try to curve directly to 5 or 6 mana. Since you have plenty of colored sources, you could add either Ghost Quarters or Field of Ruins until it fits. They're both useful for mana and to give you some game against tron (otherwise, tron will just run you over, even in its budget incarnations with cheap threats). Knight of the White Orchid is pretty funny with Ghost Quarter, or against ramp decks. You could also exchange some lands for GW-duals in some form or another - Canopy Vista, Sunpetal Grove, Fortified Village, Brushland... many options, for any budget. The important bit is that it should be possible to play them untapped, even if a bit conditional - except for Stirring Wildwood, since manlands are good anyway (even if it doesn't really hit the theme of this particular deck). Multicolored lands will smoothen your play a lot. You could also play Seraph Sanctuary, since lifegain and angels are pretty fitting for the concept.
Aerial Responder may be ok in a casual meta. Elsewhere (somewhere with a meta of what we could call "the more solid class of budget decks" or somewhere with tier-decks), it's a 3 mana creature with its @ss in Lightning Bolt-range... and that's not really good in any way. You tap out turn 3 to play it, and your opponent bolts it and plays a 2 mana creature on his turn. That's loss of initiative, right there.
Sideboard: If you know what you are playing against, bring something for that. If not, just go with the "usual suspects": Creeping Corrosion, Nature's Claim, Rest in Piece, Dryad Militant, Leyline of Sanctity, Aegis of the Gods, Ghostly Prison, Stony Silence, Day of Judgment, Blessed Alliance... it really depends on what you expect to meet and what your budget is.
Overall, I think you could go heavier into angels, or into oketras monument (and other tokens), but currently you have a mix of strategies that aren't particularly good.
3 months ago
3 months ago
Based on what I've seen, I'd recommend cutting:
Dusk : This kills 48% of the creatures in your own deck.
Battlegrace Angel : with all your tokens and other angels, you'll rarely have anyone attacking alone.
Confessor : in a lot of cases, this guy won't do much.
Graceblade Artisan : not enough auras to make this dude worth it
Herald of Dromoka : there's only two warriors in the deck, so he doesnt have much combo potential
Things I'd suggest adding:
If you want more suggestions, lemme know and I can provide them. IF you need to trim down more creatures, try looking for things that are outside the theme of your deck. For example, it seems your focus is many small white creatures, life gain, big flyers/angels, and +1/+1 counters, so it would make sense to start trimming down by removing things that don't fit with that theme.
Good luck and happy decking! -Toothy