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Rules Q&A
Shimmering Grotto
Land
{T}: Add to your mana pool.
{1}, {T}: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool.
TurkeyFarts on A Journey to Nowhere
1 year ago
Removed Disciple of the Sun, Evolving Wilds, Terramorphic Expanse
Added Eureka Moment, Quandrix Campus, Shimmering Grotto
9-lives on Urzatron and Filter lands vs …
1 year ago
I'm wondering if Lotus Field combo works better or worse than using Urzatron with filter lands? Here's my manabase with Urzatron:
- 2x Cascading Cataracts
- 2x Painted Bluffs
- 4x Shimmering Grotto
- 4x Unknown Shores
- 4x Urza's Mine
- 4x Urza's Power Plant
- 4x Urza's Tower
- 4x Expedition Map
28 cards total
Here's the minimum manabase and cards to make Lotus Fields work:
- 6x Forest
- 4x Island
- 4x Lotus Field
- 2x Temple of Mystery
- 4x Thespian's Stage
- 4x Yavimaya Coast
- 4x Hidden Strings
- 4x Sylvan Scrying
- 4x Vizier of Tumbling Sands
36 cards total
Also, I can use filter lands themselves to make more colored mana. Urzatron with filter is even better. Lotus Fields requires that they are untapped artificially, which seems to giv the urzatron an advantage.
NoopyNolife on Slivers
1 year ago
Surely Secluded Courtyard or Unclaimed Territory would be better than Shimmering Grotto?
legendofa on Urzatron with Filter and Pain …
1 year ago
City of Brass and Mana Confluence add mana, instead of just filtering like Shimmering Grotto and Painted Bluffs.
This also has a lot of building required. Without lots of land searching, it's going to be pretty colorless at first. So I'm not quite sure what this would go into, generating colorless mana until it starts generating all colors. Maybe if you want to get Chromanticore and Godhead of Awe in the same deck?
It's an interesting idea, I'm just not sure there's a problem that needs this solution.
9-lives on Urzatron with Filter and Pain …
1 year ago
Is this group of lands for a non-chromatic lantern 5c manabase useful or even viable for an 80 card deck? Here's the list:
- 3x Cascading Cataracts
- 4x Painted Bluffs
- 4x Shimmering Grotto
- 4x Urza's Mine
- 4x Urza's Power Plant
- 4x Urza's Tower
- 4x City of Brass
- 4x Mana Confluence
I imagine it would perform as good as using a manabase built on as many tri-lands and dual lands as possible.
Balaam__ on
2 years ago
No problem, lespaul977, happy to help. Shimmering Grotto isn’t too bad; the can be paid into any spell with generic mana requirements, of which you have quite a few. So that works. Ideally though you’ll want access to and without needing to pay —that’s the big downside to the Hefner land. Which is why the gold standard will always be OG Dual lands (Tundra), Fetchlands (Flooded Strand) and Shocklands (Hallowed Fountain). If you wish to keep both kidneys, that really limits one’s options. Basically everything else that can produce and either enters tapped or else has some other recurring drawback (think Forbidden Orchard).
Short answer: Shimmering Grotto is perfectly functional, but is too slow for any real competitive scenario.
lespaul977 on
2 years ago
Balaam__, thank you so much for your feedback! Those cards look great, and one small change I can make right away is to swap out Dissipate for Mana Leak since I have one of those in my collection already. I also have some other low mana cost counter cards in my collection that may be in the same vein as Counterspell.
You're right that those dual land cards are pretty expensive. I do happen to have 2 Shimmering Grotto cards in my collection that I could add to the deck. What are your thoughts on this card, and do you think it would be a good add?
I'll keep an eye out for some of the other cards you've suggested and see if I can get my hands on them. Thanks again for all your feedback!
HorrorLegend on Trans Rights (Alesha)
2 years ago
Awesome deck! Love the commander. Certainly one of those I love seeing at the table because I know there's going to be a lot of fun.
Some recommendations for cuts: Ancestral Blade seems kind of weak for the deck. Give you a token you cant recur with Alesha and only gives +1/+1. Boros Signet and Rakdos Signet , as I don't generally like the signet's, but I know a lot of people like them. Promise of Tomorrow seems like a good win con card, but it doesn't work with this deck since Alesha want's to bring creatures back from the graveyard. Inspiring Captain seems like a good card for the deck, but you cant bring it back with Alesha and really will only help once or twice at best. Archetype of Aggression , Rogue's Passage , Demystify , Return to Dust , Shimmering Grotto , and Take Vengeance , are other cut's ID make personally. They don't add enough or do enough and there better options available.
I would add Savai Triome , Path of Ancestry , Helm of the Host , and Sigiled Sword of Valeron . You could just swap a basic land for the Triome.
I would consider switching: Act of Treason for Act of Aggression , and Murder for Go for the Throat .
I could see Rise of the Dark Realms being an awesome card with this deck, but it fits in almost all deck hahah.
I hope these recommendations helped. Upvote from me.
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