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Secluded Steppe enters the battlefield tapped.
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Secluded Steppe Discussion
2 weeks ago
2 weeks ago
Ouch... evil commander deck... +1 love mono
You might like Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx and Mistveil Plains for more land diversity and utility. Also perhaps cycling lands for late game, when you find yourself with too many Plains ; Drifting Meadow, Desert of the True and Secluded Steppe
have a good day!
2 weeks ago
Taeguk, I've read your comments more closely. That Birthing Pod, Felidar Guardian combo does look insane. I feel like I really want a way to more consistently get Birthing Pod into play. Any thoughts on Fabricate or tutors in general? I've acquired a Wargate which could be good as well. Other than ramp and creatures you don't seem to run them in your deck. Could also be used to grab Panharmonicon.
Im used to mana rocks as ramp and colour fixing I need to adjust and trust the green ramp cards a bit more.
Mana Base. Partly for budget reasons, partly for pre-con laziness. Im not on the Wastes bandwagon yet, since I so far only have one card that needs colourless mana, and thats in an activated ability. I feel like I need to get a number of games under my belt before having a good opinion. As I said, the mana base is weak and I will upgrade it over time as I gain experience with the deck and become willing to pay for fetchlands, etc. I dont like lands that come into play tapped, there better be a big upside. Faerie Conclave , Rupture Spire, Secluded Steppe, Transguild Promenade are coming out. I dont really like the bounce lands very much, but they along with Seaside Citadel are staying in until I acquire better fixers. Opal Palace is staying in for now, it comes in untapped, gives me colourless mana and can fix in a pinch. Im eying the signets and the Caravan for the chopping block. Goldfishing the deck I think I may actually might have too many mana sources which is pretty strange. Ghost Quarter is going in (Strip Mine is better of course but I dont have one). Land destruction, Blood Moon and the like are not big concerns in my meta so Im not too worried about non-basic lands. Temple of the False God Im on the fence about. It feels great to play on turn 4 or 5, awful before that, meh turn 6 and beyond.
Youre probably right about Rite of Replication, but dammit I dont care what you say, Im not taking out until I cast it at least once before I take it out!
Day of Judgment is possibly on its way out? Its probably not great in this deck but feels odd not to have a board wipe. Something else maybe?
Win Conditions. Yeah I need one. The deck looks super fun to durdle around but I probably need more than Armada Wurm.
3 weeks ago
Picked up some new cards at PAX weekend.
- Pilgrim's Eye
- Llanowar Elves
- Secluded Steppe
- Borrowing 100,000 Arrows
- Soltari Champion
- Blue Sun's Zenith
- Skyward Eye Prophets
- Beacon Hawk
- Thran Dynamo
- Birds of Paradise
- Concordant Crossroads
- Beastmaster Ascension
- Yosei, the Morning Star
- Sphinx's Revelation
- Keiga, the Tide Star
Also noting some other changes from earlier:Out:
- AEthermage's Touch
- Another card I have forgotten
3 weeks ago
Utility lands are a great substitute like Reliquary Tower or a pain lands like Yavimaya Coast, however they aren't basics which is the important part and the only reason I recommend them. Unless you had a creature like Ulvenwald Hydra (even though he is a good finisher I would recommend) that you can get out early and often to get any land, it would be hard to tutor for them otherwise (aka get them often enough), that and Blood Moon/Magus of the Moon turn them into mountains, rendering them useless. If you also had enough card draw it would get some of those cards, but its not as reliable as having a bunch of ramp spells like Rampant Growth, Kodama's Reach, Explosive Vegetation, and even a land that can even sit there and produce colorless; Blighted Woodland that for very cheap, can get the basic lands that you need and put them directly into play. However in one very specific case (albeit a more rare case than blood moon by a HUGE margin) Sundering Titan, the controller has to name every basic on the board and they are gone, which is another reason why I run fetches and dual lands that can be fetched, other than their enormous help with fixing when I need them. The only decks that will ever feasibly play this is either a Daretti, Scrap Savant deck or a prison style deck, which you should be trying to kill first anyway. I recommend more basics because they are easier to get out of your deck, nothing feels worse than to top deck a land when you really needed a removal spell, or to have a counterspell up for defense, but that's my take anyway, and it works out great for me since I happen to thin out my deck each time I play my Roon deck.
KEEP IN MIND Adding those wastes will basically turn your 3 color Roon deck into a 4 color deck. You will need to get at least one waste per game in order for you to get some form of value when you do play your displacer. The other upside to adding Wastes include: not being a good target for land destruction like Strip Mine, they are basics, and are under a dollar on sites like amazon. Downsides include: Adding another color to your deck, and lowering the amount of actual fixing for fetching a wastes. I feel the downsides are rather negligible since they should be the last land type you should fetch for after getting your colors. Except when it comes to opening hands, but that's highly dependent on other factors as well since they are still lands that actually do something when they come into play. If you aren't running Thought-Knot Seer then I would recommend 3-4 wastes if you do consider getting them (and 4-6 if you do get the seer). I would trade them with the ravnica bounce lands: Azorius Chancery and Selesnya Sanctuary along with Temple of the False God (since its never good in your opening hand nor when you can actually use it) and Secluded Steppe because its bad, especially for a 3 color deck.
Also, Opal Palace isn't that good here. Its more for voltron style decks, or decks that have a commander that gets removed a lot like Scion of the Ur-Dragon, Mana is pretty precious. Washing some colors can be cool, but that's like adding an extra (1) to every spell you play because you need to tap an extra land. I have also gotten the prebuilt Derevi commander deck, its what I used to build my Roon deck. I used to run Rupture Spire and Transguild Promenade as well, but I find that they slow me down WAY to much for what they offer in return, they are even worse when I have both of them in my opening hand. For all 3 of these I would just put in a regular forest, plains, and an island in their place. That's how bad I believe they are, if you want to add other utility lands in there or more wastes, be my guest, but I would strongly urge against these 3 unless you absolutely NEED that kind of fixing.
Also, no problem! I love deck doctoring, especially when it helps another Roon player :D
Just ask and I can answer other questions or provide more advice. I have this very terrible habit to mid-max my decks...
1 month ago
What a neat concept. I love deckbuilding challenges like this. Just watch out for Void!
I'd strongly recommend you spring for Student of Warfare. Having a one-drop with the potential to be a 4/4 double striker would outshine any of the creatures in the deck currently for sheer size. Caravan Escort isn't nearly as good, but the potential for a 5/5 first striker could still be worth it. You might also like the touch of removal Icatian Javelineers can bring to the table.
I'd also definitely try and grab a copy of Tithe! Nothing quite like getting two lands for one mana. On that topic, though... are you sure you don't have too many lands? When everything is one mana, you're probably running at full capacity once you have, say, two mana. For that reason, I'd at least try and get Secluded Steppe and maybe Drifting Meadow.
1 month ago
So, let's work on making this deck a bit better. Don't get me wrong, this deck is good, but there are a couple of things that we can swap to make it better. Some of these you may not agree with. But consider the ideas behind the recommendations.
For the mana base, look at Temple of Triumph, Battlefield Forge, Ancient Amphitheater, Needle Spires, Wind-Scarred Crag, Vivid Meadow, Vivid Crag, Boros Guildgate, Opal Palace and Command Tower. I think you should get a many lands that tap for both colors into the deck as you can afford. Secluded Steppe and Reliquary Tower should probably come out to make room for better lands. Plateau and Rugged Prairie are just too expensive to really recommend.
Replace Armillary Sphere with a Burnished Hart which has a better synergy in the deck. A 2/2 attacker or blocker that can be equipped and can be recurrred with Sun Titan seems really good.
Ride Down just seems like a crappy spot removal card. If you need more removal, consider a good old Wrath of God, Blasphemous Act, the new Star of Extinction as a board wipes.
Vessel of Endless Rest should be swapped with a Boros Signet. The Boros Signet hits a turn earlier, allows you to convert colorless mana from the Ghost Quarter, Reliquary Tower, Rogue's Passage, Seraph Sanctuary, Slayers' Stronghold, and the Sunhome, Fortress of the Legion. If you want to keep the Vessel of Endless Rest, then I would still recommend adding the Boros Signet anyway.
Akroma, Angel of Fury has always been a weak version of Akroma, Angel of Wrath and I've never really felt that it was that good a card. Her 'can't be countered' is nice but the morph ability seems tacked on just to fit the Time Spiral block's mechanic themes and not to make the card better.
Mikaeus, the Lunarch is ok, but you really aren't utilizing a +1/+1 counter theme in this deck and he feels a little slow. The X casting cost makes him more situational.
Tajic, Blade of the Legion is an underwhelming 2/2 for 4 mana. Yes, the indestructible is nice, but I've never really been in a situation where I was happy to draw that card. I just feel that there are better creatures.
Combat Celebrant is stuck with the horrible Exert mechanic. Why would I ever swing out and leave myself stuck not being able to untap my lands the next turn? Too risky. Especially in a multi-player environment. Just bad, cut it. World at War, Waves of Aggression, Scourge of the Throne, and Aggravated Assault would be much better options for multiple combat phases.
I know I previously recommended the Ranger of Eos but I don't think this deck is going for quick creatures. This deck is more about dropping bombs and making people deal with your threats. So the Ranger of Eos, Mikaeus, the Lunarch may not really fit this theme as well as other cards. After looking over the deck some more and looking at some of the options below, we may have to cut the Whitemane Lion and the Flametongue Kavu to make some room.
True Conviction, is a 'wins more' card. The card is strong, but only helps in a few situations. Let look at three different situations to see how interacts with the board state.
1: You have 4 or 5 creatures in play and you are attacking each turn. You are applying a significant ammount of combat damage to your opponents. You have a good chance of winning the game in the next couple of turns, depending on blockers. Does a True Conviction help in this situation? Not really. Can you win without it? Why cast it?
2: You have 4 or 5 creatures on the field, and a True Conviction. Someone board wipes with a Final Judgement. The next turn you get a creature on the field. The True Conviction gives your dude life link and double strike. This time it will help you stay in the game a bit longer and rebuild faster.
3: You have 4 or 5 creatures on the field. Someone board wipes with a Final Judgement. This time, instead of drawing a blocker, you top deck the True Conviction. Is this what you need now? No. You need boots on the ground, a blocker.
What do you think? And, before you ask, yes, I'll be reconsidering this card in my Brion Stoutarm deck.
Alright. Now that we've looked at things to cut, lets look at some options.
Angrath's Marauders would act as an additional Gisela, Blade of Goldnight. Firebrand Archer and Harsh Mentor are good ways to ping each opponent. Archetype of Aggression, Archetype of Courage, Odric, Lunarch Marshal could be really broken and dramtically alter combat. Homura, Human Ascendant works well with Brion Stoutarm and Gideon's Avenger could be outrageous. Kumano, Master Yamabushi has never let me down. Aegis of the Gods and Magus of the Moat provide some defensive options. The Defy Death and Herald of War you already have to provide you with a lot of resiliency and flexibilty with the addition of a Angel of Glory's Rise. Vanquisher's Banner would be really go in this deck naming either 'Human' or 'Angel'.
And thanks to all of the work I've put in on making suggestions to your deck, I've got to go back and update my Brion Stoutarm deck. So check back on that deck in a week or so. As always, temper these suggestions with your budget, collection, and play style. Feel free to let me know what you think of these recommendations.