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|Commander 2015 (C15)||Common|
|Duel Decks: Elspeth vs. Kiora (DDO)||Common|
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|MTG: Commander (CMD)||Common|
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Secluded Steppe enters the battlefield tapped.
: Gain .
Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
Secluded Steppe Discussion
1 day ago
Yeah, Shalai is illegal in mono white. Commander uses something called color identity when determining a card's legality, which includes any colored symbol showing up on the card in addition to the card's color. For example, Alesha Who Smiles At Death is a 3 color commander, not 1.
Considering how high your curve is, I'd say you need a lot more lands and ramp spells, probably like another 5 lands and another 8-10 ramp spells. I just tried the Playtest button with the deck as is, and I hit an angel on curve only once out of five times. I'd highly recommend starting your cuts at the top of the curve - kill two birds with one stone. Other cards to consider cutting are ones that don't totally synergize with your game plan. Additionally, you may want to consider changing up your removal to cheaper and more universal effects. Specifically, here's what I would change:
Ramp I'd recommend: Sol Ring , Smothering Tithe , Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx which is also a land, Caged Sun , Sword of the Animist , Oketra's Monument , Burnished Hart , Solemn Simulacrum , Mind Stone , Thought Vessel , Fellwar Stone , Thran Dynamo , Worn Powerstone , Mana Vault / Mana Crypt if you're made of money, Hedron Archive , Everflowing Chalice , Prismatic Lens , Boreas Charger
Removal I'd recommend: Swords to Plowshares , Path to Exile , Return to Dust , Crush Contraband , Disenchant , Darksteel Mutation (excellent for commanders!), Abolish and although not technically removal you should definitely run Mana Tithe .
Cards I'd recommend removing from your deck: Danitha Capshen, Baird, Angelic Chorus, Oketra's Last Mercy, Immolating Glare, Reprisal, Invoke the Divine, Helm of the Host, Angelheart Vial. These ones don't do enough for their mana, are worse versions of other cards, or don't match your game plan. After that start cutting from the top of your angel curve.
I didn't see a budget posted so some of these cards can be pricey, but hopefully that helps!
1 week ago
For card draw in white you can use generic deck thinners to instead improve the quality of draws. Secluded Steppe , Drifting Meadow for example. Gift of Estates or Land Tax , Strata Scythe , Sword of the Animist options. Seer's Sundial , Mentor of the Meek , Tamiyo's Journal , Sea Gate Wreckage , Loreseeker's Stone actually draw stuff.
2 weeks ago
Both this and the upgraded list are so cool! I was actually just thinking last night that it would be fun to build a 100% reactive deck — everything at instant speed. No kidding, exact thought. And then I just happened to see your decks in the "Top" tab on the T/O homepage. :D
Some other budget lands that might be useful:
- Lonely Sandbar / Secluded Steppe — It's another land when you need it, but card draw when you need that more
- Halimar Depths — This deck runs a lot of card draw, so this effect might be unnecessary, but maybe worth considering for setting up your draws
- Skyline Cascade — Just a utility land to slow down a more worrisome opponent when you don't have any bounce available to you
- Ash Barrens — I actually like this card better than Evolving / Terramorphic , because when you use it's Cycling ability, the net result is the same as the fetches, but you also have the option of playing it as an untapped colorless source if you really just need that one extra mana
2 weeks ago
Tweaks to Lands
The most important thing to change first is the mana base. You might be able to get away with less than 24 lands ultimately, maybe 23 or even 22 if you lower your mana curve, but I'd start with the default of 24 and tweak from there.
You might also consider more mana fixing than a single dual playset, such as fetchlands ( Evolving Wilds ) or Ash Barrens . There's also Azorius Chancery . Since you run so many creatures, you might also be able to benefit from Holdout Settlement .
Other than mana-fixing, some people also like cycling lands, as they can help you draw more useful cards when you get mana-flooded (like Lonely Sandbar and Secluded Steppe ). For control decks, Halimar Depths is a useful way to set up your draws. You can opt for incidental lifegain on lands like Kabira Crossroads , but I'd honestly stick with basic Plains, because you don't want too many lands that enter tapped.
I noticed that more than one of your cards had an effect like "target creature an opponent controls doesn’t untap during its controller’s next untap step". If you wanted to focus you deck on that type of strategy, you could consider Skyline Cascade .
So what to cut to make room for 8 more lands?
I'd cut most of the creatures that are considered "vanilla" or "French vanilla", i.e. have no abilities or only basic keyword abilities like Flying or Lifelink. You want as many of your creatures as possible to DO something other than just being a warm body. So:
-1 Coral Commando
-1 Daybreak Chaplain
-1 Humongulus (also, you want 5+ mana spells to have more of an impact than this)
-1 Knight of the Tusk (same deal as with Humongulus)
-1 Mesa Unicorn
-1 Sky Ruin Drake (same deal as with Humongulus)
-1 Talon Trooper
You could also considering cutting Sunspring Expedition , since effects that solely grant lifegain are generally considered not worth running (incidental lifegain, on the other hand, can be great).
I'd also consider cutting Nimbus Wings , since most of your creatures already have flying.
After making some of the above cuts and additions, really what you want to think about is what is your deck trying to DO. You want to have a unified strategy.
For instance, right now you have creatures like Civic Stalwart , Haazda Officer , Pegasus Courser , and Vedalken Mesmerist that want you to be on the offensive. But you also have creatures with low power / high toughness (several of the ones I suggested you cut, actually), Syndicate Messenger (which makes for a great blocker), and Wall of Mist that want your deck to be defensive.
I think before we can make further suggestions, you'll need to better nail down the direction you want to take the deck — offensive flyers? high-toughness blockers and other stalling techniques to get to your win-con?
2 weeks ago
3 weeks ago
Hello I certainly don't mind giving some suggestions, I do see that you have received some excellent feedback already, but I will try to add what I can to this.
I figure this deck you're wanting to keep on the budget side am I correct in assuming? Regardless, I can see some areas where you can make significant improvement without spending too much $. The mana base is what i'm talking about here, I think you have a fine land count but what you can do is include some non-basics. Here are some to consider: Command Tower , Secluded Steppe , Orzhov Basilica , Temple of the False God , Myriad Landscape , Vault of the Archangel , Isolated Chapel , Temple of Silence , High Market , and Bojuka Bog . Of course there's others beyond this if you want to spend more like Cabal Coffers , Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth , Godless Shrine , Marsh Flats , etc but these are obviously more expensive.
But yeah, your commander is a bit on the costly side, and you could do with some more ramp here. For one thing, with so many basic lands here I think you should consider adding Land Tax .
Then, some other individual cards that I think would help here would be the following: Athreos, God of Passage (Was my first deck originally and is such a useful card here especially when paired with Teysa Karlov ), Emeria Shepherd , Bitterblossom , and Priest of Forgotten Gods .
I wish I could offer more but I must get back to studying. Whenever I can, I will try to suggest some cuts that you can make possibly for some of these suggestions. The lands should be an easy part however to decide. Well I hope that some of this is of use to you for now.
1 month ago
Removed: Cartel Aristocrat Debt to the Deathless Maw of the Obzedat Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts Tithe Drinker Wayfarer's Bauble Weathered Wayfarer Orzhov Basilica Thespian's Stage Vault of the Archangel Temple of the False God
1 month ago
In terms of lands, Kabira Crossroads, Radiant Fountain, Secluded Steppe, Myriad Landscape, Terrain Generator, Arch of Orazca and Emeria, The Sky Ruin might be good inclusions. Worn Powerstone sets up a turn 4 Evra, Halcyon Witness.
Secluded Steppe occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.05%
W/B (Orzhov): 0.17%
W/U (Azorius): 0.11%
RW (Boros): 0.24%
GW (Selesnya): 0.14%
W/U/B (Esper): 0.08%
RBW (Mardu): 0.05%