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Lazav, the Multifarious
Legendary Creature — Shapeshifter
When Lazav, the Multifarious enters the battlefield, surveil 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put it into your graveyard.)
: Lazav, the Multifarious becomes a copy of target creature card in your graveyard with converted mana cost X, except its name is Lazav, the Multifarious, it's legendary in addition to its other types, and it has this ability.
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Lazav, the Multifarious Discussion
1 month ago
First of all thanks for your comment and ill gladly asnwer your questions. I have to say that I haven't done much testing with this list, but played a lot (more or less) with a different tech which wasn't complete even. But it did rather good, I do have to admit that I had some consistency issues with the other list but reason for that was I had to play worse alternatives for some cards. Concerning the matches I noticed it faired pretty good against most decks except aggro. The faster a deck is, the harder it is for this deck to go off. Another problem I had was with W/R Feather decks (but as I said all of this was with the old list) but the inclusion of Stonecoil Serpent helps against basically any multicolored decks or flyers. But nonetheless fast decks are still a problem but not unbeatable. Okay to answer your questions:
I chose Eye Collector because he mills both the opponent and us. He's not a great card, but helps to enable Vantress Gargoyle and The Cauldron of Eternity . Especially Vantress Gargoyle is great if you can enable him early, as it puts the opponent on a clock. And until now I never came close to decking myself, I usually do get about 30 cards into the grave, but end the game too not much later.
The reason I didn't include Ashiok, Dream Render was, because he's not a creature and can't be returned from the grave with our reanimator spells. And as you said he stops Vantress Gargoyle completely. But if you want to play a Planeswalker and if you have the budget, you can consider Karn, the Great Creator . I didn't include him because of my budget, but he can turn the cauldron into a 12/12 beater.
And concerning Lochmere Serpent and Villis, Broker of Blood they simply are too slow as they have not immediate value when they ETB. Lochmere Serpent is still great and works with the theme of the deck and if you want to play him, just go for it.
Yarok, the Desecrated has not enough pay off in my opinion, or is too inconsistent to be more precise.
Lazav, the Multifarious I did consider him, but you have to pay the cost of the creature you want to copy every time, which is too slow for our big threats but otherwise can be great.
I will definitely consider the cards you mentioned, atleast in the side board. Especially Ritual of Soot and Noxious Grasp are great but I don't know what to cut for them. Although I have Cry of the Carnarium in the side board which is similar to Ritual of Soot . And I really want to play Murderous Rider even at 4, as he is removal and a creature. But she is expensive, but if i get some I'll definitely include them. Maybe with an additional Blood for Bones to get him back if we happen to mill him. Enter the God-Eternals is good but has a high cmc and is not a creature. Into the Story has great synergy with the deck, but I chose Radical Idea because we can cast it from the grave and get our reanimation targets into the grave from our hand too.
I hope I could give you some insight on my card choices, but if you have any other questions feel free to ask them :)
1 month ago
really liking your list. I was previously considering a Grixis reanimator list for fun but decided to go with Lochmere Serpent. However, your list does spark my hope to make the best of both.
How did you fare with your list? Strong/weak matchups? How reliably do you get the engine going? Especially running the risk of getting your Cauldron Elkyfied by Oko does look dangerous. Is there a reason to run Eye Collector instead of Overwhelmed Apprentice ? Or simply cut it in favor of some spells, even if this cuts into the cauldron body-count? I could see this list milling itself rather quickly, maybe include a one off Jace, Wielder of Mysteries as a backup plan.
Some alternative card choices I'd like to hear your opionion on:
Have you considered Ashiok, Dream Render ? Given it does conflict with Gargoyle but does speed up the main game plan. Might be worth it, depending on the game state, therefor maybe a 2-of.
Lochmere Serpent does also strike me as a strong reanimation target. Beeing unblockable can close out the game, can be recurred from the graveyard even without cauldron (albeit conflicting with Ashiok). It does draw cards and replenish life if needed too and has some pseudo haste with flash.
Vilis, Broker of Blood as a 1-of would also make sense to me, further enhancing the cauldron by card draw and hits hard if it survives a turn, but could be a win-more card.
Seeing all that powerful etb effects I could imagine a copy of Yarok, the Desecrated . Although I am unsure if this would work at all, might be win-more and cute, but simply tickles my inner Johnny.
In a same vein, I could see some funny interactions with Lazav, the Multifarious . His ability does not copy ETB effects, so its the opposit of Yarok, but still I could image some intresting opportunities, f.e. closing out a game by copying an Lochmere Serpent or Rankle, or copy a Emry to regain an artifact. Even copying the Lich or Embodyment just to have a surprise deathtouch blocker.
As a personal preference, I will try to adjust this list and go a more controlling route with Enter the God-Eternals , Murderous Rider , Ritual of Soot (Nissa lands and adventures, while potentially filling our cauldron) and maybe Noxious Grasp especially to prevent Oko from ruining everything. Also Into the Story looks simply strong. The question is how far I could go until I compromise the main gameplan of having many creatures in the graveyard.
Even if this does never make it to T1, this list sure does compensate it with a lot of fun and interesting interactions. I'd like to hear your opinion and will test some things myself and maybe come up with my own list if I find the courage to pull the wildcard-trigger. Thanks.
2 months ago
Only a double-faced card can actually transform. For your example with Elusive Tormentor Flip, this just means nothing happens and Lazav, the Multifarious is still a copy of the Tormentor. However, for your example with Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip or Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip there's a special rule that says Lazav will go to exile and stay there.
711.8a If a player is instructed to put a card that isn’t a double-faced card onto the battlefield transformed, that card stays in its current zone.
2 months ago
2 months ago
With Oko, you will copy the text, but the Enter the Battlefield (ETB) trigger will not occur as Oko is already on the battlefield when Tishana is copied.
Compare to Clone , which ETBs as a copy of a creature, or Cackling Counterpart which creates a token (a newly-created token ETBs). Those copies will have the ETB ability as they enter, and thus will trigger the ETB ability.
Also, as a note, Tishana is legendary. If you control two legendary permanents named Tishana, Voice of Thunder , one will be sent to the graveyard as a state-based action. Both Oko and the above-mentioned cards will copy her name as well, so one of the copies will go to the graveyard as a SBA (if you got the ETB trigger, that will still resolve and still draw cards--triggers exist independently of the permanents that caused the trigger).
Compare to cards like Lazav, the Multifarious , which specifically states it retains its own name when it copies the object; or Helm of the Host , which specifically states that the legendary aspect is not copied.
2 months ago
LVL_666, there is no such thing as an "alternate Commander", there is however an idea of something called a "secret Commander". Players who use this tend to want someone, such as perhaps Lazav, the Multifarious but they want access to . So, they run Tasigur, the Golden Fang to get access to that color. Tasigur feeds into Lazav's need to have creatures in your graveyard, and once you get Lazav out, you begin a horrific synergy-cycle of dumping creatures into your graveyard and then exploiting them through Lazav. By having access to , it allows you to ramp and excessively abuse both triggered abilities. It also gives you access to creatures otherwise out of Lazav's reach.
Most players who do this make it explicitly clear that Lazav is the real OG of the deck but that he is tucked away in the 99. Thus, he is a "secret Commander".
What you are saying is you want your 99 + 1 + n. In this regards, you want a Commander deck of perhaps 102 cards, giving you access to the original Commander +2 additional Commanders you can slip in between plays.
That is not how the game works, and thus it is not how the site allows decks to be built.
What you are describing is actually a Sideboard - You want cards to sit on the sidelines while it waits its turn to be played. Specifically speaking, Commander does not allow for Sideboards. However, I've heard time and time again that a 10 card limit is generally the accepted norm.
So it seems to me you have two options;
Run a 100 card deck with a main Commander and several "Secret Commanders" tucked away in it that you can possibly swap out between games.
Run a 100 card deck with a Sideboard and swap out the Commander between games.
2 months ago
Please remember to link your cards using double brackets:
So, for each option:
Lazav turns into Palladium for , and taps for . You are up . Turn it into Pili-Pala, untap, you are up and a colored mana. Spend the to turn back into Lazav, you still have one extra colored mana left over. Repeat forever - each time you will net infinite colored mana.
Same for Metalworker , though you need at least one artifact in your hand to get this to work.
Apprentice Wizard does not work quite as well - you have to spend the colored mana to activate its tap ability, but you'll still net infinite .
3 months ago
Agree with pyroblast thing
Whip of erebos seems bad. If we play from citadel, we have to attack with something to balance the life loss from it (4cmc) bcos if not, its just lose 4 life do nothing. And the reanimate effect is bad i think. I’d rather pay 5 (WUBRG) and find something via sisay. I suggest Lazav, the Multifarious for that ‘reanimate’ effect, he can become any dead legends from our grave. He is a legend too which pump sisay as well.
Marelen seems the worse card for the citadel combo. We always prefer not to lose life in every possible way, Keeping our life high is paramount. She lock ourself drawing from sensei top. She is a dead draw early turn. Losing life, helps other plyer find something too, maybe a card that can destroy us.
Lazav, the Multifarious occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.01%
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