Elspeth, Sun's Nemesis
Legendary Planeswalker — Elspeth
-1: Up to two target creatures you control each get +2/+1 until end of turn.
-2: Create two 1/1 white Human Soldier creature tokens.
-3: You gain 5 life.
Escape — , Exile four other cards from your graveyard. (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its escape cost.)
|Have (2)||gildan_bladeborn , FSims81|
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|Theros Beyond Death (THB)||Mythic Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Elspeth, Sun's Nemesis Discussion
1 month ago
Legendary Planeswalker - Anax
+1 Put a +1/+1 counter on up to one target creature token. If it's red, it gains haste until end of turn. If it's white, you gain 1 life.
-1 Create a 1/1 white Human Soldier creature token and a 1/1 red Satyr creature token with "This creature can't block."
-6 You get an emblem with, "Creature tokens you control have +1/+1, haste, double strike, and trample."
Drawback: It's a token-centric planeswalker. You can only put the +1/+1 counter on a token. But it does allow you to spew out a few tokens, in case you're not making them otherwise. Synergize it with things like Elspeth, Sun's Nemesis, Hero of the Nyxborn, Omen of the Sun, and Satyr's Cunning. And of course, the new Anax uncommon legend. Plus, the fact that it costs 2 is clutch for the hasty kill this kind of deck is wanting to go for.
Make a card, like I did, that makes a standard deck that wasn't previously viable suddenly come into existence. All the other peices are there--but it's your card that either brings it up to the speed at which it needs to operate, or gives it the punch it needs to close the game.
1 month ago
Hey man! Good first draft! I like some of the ideas in here. I have some constructive criticism for you, so, as brutally honest as I will be with my suggestions, keep in mind I’m just offering my best advice on how to improve this list. I tested this deck a bit and here’s some thoughts I have:
More Tutor / Draw: You’re running very little card advantage, which I noticed when I was testing this deck. There isn’t enough dig or deck manipulation going on here. Basically every time I found myself durdling. Here are some suggestions:
- Sensei's Divining Top
- Scroll Rack
- Crystal Ball
- Courier's Capsule
- Wheel of Fortune
- Stroke of Genius
- Mystic Remora
- Jace Beleren
- Long-Term Plans
- Land Tax
- Academy Rector
- Idyllic Tutor
- Madblind Mountain
- Fetch Lands. Literally any fetches.
More spot removal: Your deck doesn’t have a lot of ways of dealing out targeted removal. Mass Land D and other sweeper spells are great and all, but you also need ways of handling individual problems as they arrive. Here are some suggestions I have:
- Path to Exile / Swords to Plowshares
- Seal of Cleansing / Dispeller's Capsule
- Return to Dust
- Crush Contraband
- Shattering Pulse
- Shattering Spree
- Chaos Warp
- Lightning Bolt
More Persistent harassment: You’re running MLD, Tax, but you aren’t running a whole lot of effects to consistently torment the opponent. Smokestack, Pendrell Mists, Kataki, War's Wage, Manabarbs keep pressure on your opponents. Even just running more stuff to slow things down (Winter Orb, Tangle Wire, Kismet, Rule of Law, Stranglehold etc.) would be useful here.
Consider less creatures, more enchantments: Hatebears are cool, but consider the fact that they are easier to kill than their enchantment counterparts. Magus of the Moon dies much easier than Blood Moon and you want these effects to have a good return on investment. This one is more food for thought than actual criticism.
Suggestions for cuts: Hall of Heliod's Generosity (?): It’s a great card, but right now you aren’t running enough Enchantments to justify it. Most of the time it’s going to just tap for colorless. If you run more Enchantments, it’s a keeper! (I think I’m going to try and find a slot for my own deck)
Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain: This is pretty vestigial. It’s not really pulling much weight. Cut it.
Karn, Silver Golem: See above.
Tomik, Distinguished Advokist: I get what you’re going with here, but you’re blowing up your lands anyway, making them untargetable is kind of moot. There’s a bunch of hatebears I’d rather run in this slot.
Saltblast: This card is kind of bad. Costs waaay too much for targeted removal. Also, is completely dead against decks that run white. I’d honestly remove this and replace it with Wrath of God instead.
Karn, the Great Creator: Not doing enough. I see the combo with Mycosynth Lattice, but Hellkite Tyrant is a much better combo.
Empowered Autogenerator: Too slow, too expensive. It’s not as good as it looks. Ideally, rocks should slot into the 0-3 CC range. If you desperately wanted something in the 4 slot, why not just run Thran Dynamo instead? It’s more consistent.
Firemind Vessel – See above.
1 month ago
Now, if we went for the white weenie route, Conclave Tribunal is a must. There is another route we could go, which involves dropping blue and going full-on white weenie. Reverent Hoplite would be more effective there, but isn't horrible here. Elspeth, Sun's Nemesis gets you a ton of tokens repeatedly.
1 month ago
Can you pay the mana portion of the escape cost with Fires?
2 months ago
Titus7007 , first off thanks for the feedback homie!
As for aggro, I want to run a few scenarios by you so that you can better get an idea of what it is I am trying to do here.
Let's say everything goes perfect, and wether I am on play or draw, I turn two Callous Dismissal to bounce and make a token, turn three Teferi, Time Raveler bounce and draw a card, then turn four Fires of Invention into Role Reversal to swap the 1/1 for whatever 3-4 drop they play. Any aggro deck in the meta is gonna have a tough time playing against that. If they are low to the ground, I dont bother swapping I just drop a second walker - preferably Elspeth, Sun's Nemesis to gain life if necessary or to make two more blockers until I drop sarkhan or visitation.
Ok so everything isn't perfect, I can still turn two dismissal to slow the opponent and slam down Saheeli, Sublime Artificer and if they don't focus her down, the 1/1's she makes can help me stabilize quickly, especially if I am casting two non-creatures a turn with Fires of Invention next turn.
Let's say things are worse than even that against aggro. I play Omen of the Sea turn two, and Narset, Parter of Veils turn three. I am in a very rough spot. If the incremental life gain from Interplanar Beacon can't help me get a leg up i am prob dead in the water. Assuming I cant get to sarkahn, make a dragon, and lean on his passive, I say gg and swap out role reversal for Deafening Clarion and swap visitation for Time Wipe and hopefully games 2 and 3 go my way. Can't win em all kind of thing.
Keep in mind a majority of the cards I play create tokens so blockers are less of an issue than you think. -- a reason why I feel callous dismal should stay.
Not only that, but dismissal sets up role reversal turn three if I am on the draw, and makes a 4/4 with visitation out.(popular targets are nightmare shepherd, torbran, questing beast, ect..)
Fae of Wishes is one of the first cards I looked at when making the list and the reason I settled on a one of Karn, the Great Creator in the deck. The problem with fae is exactly what you said, it works against Narset... I feel like making the deck creatureless creates more advantages than the small amount of utility fae brings to the table.
Narset is the only real card advantage I have in the list if you don't count Omen, which I don't. She lets me more often than not get something extra I can play or get thru the deck to fires if I am missing it. Not only that but the passive is valuable and she works perfectly with both fires (making sure I dont have to get into top deck mode) and sarkahn. Being able to grab non creature spell from the board is sweet, and might warrant a second look, but not at the cost of whiffing with narset and having a little less synergy among the deck. If I do decide on fae, I will have to rebuild the deck and might consider running The Royal Scions in narsets place, but end of day that looks weaker than what I have listed currently.
Do you have your grixis friends list on tapped out? I haven't seen it (would love to tho) but I can only assume your list makes less tokens then this one does, which is why you need every removal spell you can get. Remember, more often than not I can get creatures on the board even in a list with no creatures! My 1/1's chump and get me to the late game where I can make them 4/4's from there or go over the top for tons of damage out of nowhere with sarkhan.
Divine visitation kind of needs to be in the list(however if you can think of more synergistic 5 drops let me know). Originally I ran Nicol Bolas, Dragon-God in it's place, but ran into tons of mana issues (go figure) and it didn't really perform how I wanted it to. Visitation is super synergistic. With Visitation, dismissal becomes OP, saheeli makes a 4/4 a turn(or 2 with fires out), Elspeth makes 2 4/4's twice. Plus if I draw karn and pull The Circle of Loyalty from the board things get bonkers. I like having more than just 4x sarkahn as a wincon in the list.
I don't feel running board wipes main deck makes much sense if playing b03, simply because role reversal is good against most decks. There are also things that role reversal does that most don't see coming, it says permanent, so If i give an interplanar beacon to a mono colored player, especially if I am on the play, I can throw a wrench in their plans. If I trade a used up saheeli or narset for a Nissa, Who Shakes the World that's usually GG. Swapping an Omen for an enchantment god dashes hopes and kills morale. Or my favorite, swapping a 1/1 for a creature equipped with embercleave!
As for Ashiok's Erasure I can't really get the most out of it because I run fires. It would be dead in my hand more often than not. I have considered Banishing Light but end of the day opted to jam as many walkers as I could. That and the 3 drop slot is pretty clogged up anyhow.
I have put about 4 hours on the ladder with the list on arena. I started gold 5 ( I really don't play much ranked usually draft) and after the session got to mid Gold 2. I won about 22 games and lost 5.I lost once to mono green aggro who perfect curved from pelt collector all the way into questing beast(the hardest card for my deck to recover from given all my blockers are 1/1's). I lost twice to mono black devotion ( damn cat oven, making role reversal useless with his sac outlets) once to a simic ramp list that cast nyxborn turn 4-5(I couldnt find my role reversal that game >.<), and once against mono red aggro (crazy turn three kill with run away steam kin and embercleave). I also beat each of those deck types a few times each as well!
It could be just cuz it's gold, but most everyone tried taking out the value generating walkers, allowing me to quickly stabilize, and eventually outvalue them. A quarter of the people I played against scooped when I took their best thing with role reversal. (a couple highlights are swapping a used up narset for an ashiok, the mill one, against a self mill player. stealing a simic ramp players krasis he just tapped out for, Giving a mono white life gain player an omen in exchange for heliod, and stealing a robber the rich against mono red he just equipped with embercleave at instant speed using teferi.)
So far I am having a blast with the list. I recommend you build it out on arena and give it a shot. If not that, message me your arena tag and we can play some games so you can see the list in action!!
again, thank you so much for helping and checking the list out! I look forward to playing you if you are in fact on arena!
2 months ago
you have a lot of pay offs but not many cards that make creatures. from the way your decks built i feel like it what at 4 Lingering Souls and maybe 2-3 in any combination of any of these Elspeth, Sun's Champion, Elspeth, Sun's Nemesis, Elspeth Tirel as these can all spit out a lot of token quickly, without to much hassle and have abilities that care about having lots of creatures, (the also work with Enduring Renewal quite nicely)
i would also be tempted to run a snow basic land base and then add 3-4 of each Dead of Winter and On Thin Ice as a strictly better budget removal suite(also sublime exhilaration isn't modern legal). going snow also means you can run Arcum's Astrolabe as you don't have many 1 drops and they would help fix your mana.
lastly, unfortunately Blood Pet isn't modern legal which kind of kills the combo.
but Hope of Ghirapur would work ok in the slot, especially as it provides some consistent hate for control decks and a sackable 1 drop from the combo (even if it isn't infinite anymore)
if you were determined to keep the combo as is you could splash red for Wild Cantor which is legal, (if you wanted to splash red on a budget then i would definitely run the show packages as it would again increase your mana consistency for fairly little.
2 months ago
What do you think about Elspeth, Sun's Champion since later game if it doesn't go your way you get to make more 1/1's and board wipe for big boys while leaving yours to keep swinging. Either that or Elspeth, Sun's Nemesis that can also make weenies but is a little cheaper (Don't forget you can just keep recasting her if you have to go late game). Btw even sideboarding them wouldn't be a bad idea mainly because you only have 4 cards in there at the moment lol.