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Pay No Heed
Prevent all damage a source of your choice would deal this turn.
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Pay No Heed Discussion
4 weeks ago
7 months ago
This is where I really don't know what's best. I suggest experimenting for yourself / references other lists, but I can at least offer what I think would be best.
One option is to play some instant speed interaction, be it Vines of Vastwood or Mutagenic Growth. I've seen some people do it. Obviously you want to keep creature count as high as possible for Lead the Stampede, so numbers here are questionable.
If you want to move spinnerets in and simply need more sideboard slots, there are a TON of good options. Like seriously, there are a million good choices in your colors, just depends on which matchups you want to prepare most for. Standard Bearer is among the best sideboard cards in the format, because it forces your opponent to interact with it before they interact with your important creatures. Think of it as pauper Spellskite. It also steals auras from the Bogles deck, and that deck literally doesn't play removal for standard bearer, so if you get it in it's gg. They are kind of expensive online, but for good reason. If you don't want to play them starting out, that's understandable.
Sunlance is great as another removal spell outside of Journey to Nowhere. I've seen some people jam 4 of these in the board to fight against mono green stompy.
The instant speed interaction I mentioned earlier could also go in these slots. You have vines in there now, but mutagenic growth is a decent consideration in some of those slots as well, especially since Firebolt is a pretty common removal spell.
Life Goes On and Armadillo Cloak are the best ways to gain life against hyper aggressive decks / burn. Not really sure which one is better to run. Life goes on has less strings attached, but armadillo cloak helps you end the game.
Scattershot Archer is the bane of delver / faerie decks. Again, I've seen people jam 4, but who knows if that's best.
Holy Light destroys token decks or decks that play a ton of 1 toughness guys, like elves or something.
Relic of Progenitus is the best thing for removing graveyards, but there are noooot a lot of graveyard decks, honestly. The premier graveyard deck revolves around Tortured Existence, meaning that you would probably be fine just bringing in gleeful sabotage. Theres also decks that revolve heabily around returning spells with Mnemonic Wall, but I think you're better off trying to race those.
I... think that's most of the super good ones? There's always the circle cycle too, such as Circle of Protection: Red, but leaving mana open on your opponent's turn is generally not how you want to be playing the game. But yeah, maybe try putting the spinnerets in and tweaking your sideboard using some of these. Again, I would say it entirely depends on the kind of matchups you're expecting.
If you're not sure what to expect, I might start somewhere like this:
3-4 Gleeful Sabotage
3-4 Standard Bearer (they're just so versatile, they're good in a lot of matchups)
2-3 Sunlance / Journey to Nowhere (if you decide to leave them in the side)
1-2 Armadillo Cloak
1-2 Pay no Heed
3-4 Vines of Vastwood / Mutagenic Growth
That should give you good coverage of a lot of different archetypes. It'll just take some experimenting to find what you like best.
8 months ago
Some very outdated replies below. Thanks for your input everyone!
gabrielguieiro, I had a go with Gift of Orzhova but I found it to be a little slow. All my other enchantments cost 1 and I prefer the speed. However it is excellent later in the game to make more flyers when I need them. The evasion sometimes makes all the difference.
Hey festerfizzle. I'd prefer to have Tithe Drinker over Putrid Warrior because the extort often gets used multiple times per turn, and where the opponent loses the life, I gain it. It also has lifelink too. If you're making a similar deck, one playset of creatures is probably enough as creatures can be cast more reliably.
eyessky, my deck also fares poorly against burn. If they're tapped out early and I can cast a lifelinker and enchant it enough in one turn so it's too big to kill with a few burn spells, I might stand a chance. But by game 2 they'll catch on and leave some lands untapped and I'll have trouble retaining my creatures. I side in Pay No Heed and Castigate against burn players, but that's all I've got. It helps a little. Ideally, you should use some Circle of Protection: Red. That's your best bet. I rarely encounter pauper burn though, so my sideboard doesn't have it.
1 year ago
malakirofgoodness, thanks for the +1 Vote! I'm happy to hear you like the deck. It's is a ton of fun to play. My favorite moments are always when I resolve an Abzan Falconer and then attack all-in for the win. No one ever expects that a 10 Uncommon will be their downfall.
Feel free to make alterations to the Sideboard to best fit your local meta, however, I HIGHLY keeping Eerie Interlude (for Control match-ups) and Pay No Heed (for Infect, Scapeshift, Burn, and Bogles match-ups). Pay No Heed does prevent multiple triggers of damage from the same source in a single turn.
If you're interested in saving some money, I also have a more budget-friendly version of this deck here, Flying Nuns -- Budget Version.
1 year ago
I'm tickled to death with your thoughtfully snide reply. I'm hard-headed, snotty, snide, and argumentative to a fault, so you can only imagine the supreme joy I feel as I write this ridiculous, lengthy response. And I mean that - I'm not being sarcastic.
Manabarbs and Stuffy Doll both have a high CMC, and, in a boros deck, there's not really space for any mana ramp. Which means the curve is going to be bad. Along with Pariah, the absolute soonest the entire combo could hit would be T6, and that wouldn't be an instant win at all. Which means, no matter how many sub 3CMC spells are in the deck, it's not going to get to a win any faster. If I throw in enough tutors to get the Doll and the 'barbs, then it's going to take up so much space, the deck will be much less "protected" early game - it would mean I'd be less likely to draw disruption and without the disruption slots, it would be even more vital to get the combo out, meaning casting tutors with nothing but land out. These are the reasons, while seeming good, both Stuffy Doll and Manabarbs aren't remotely competitive - they're too slow to cast and too slow to win. Building a deck with both is laughable. If it isn't clear, I don't take this deck seriously at all.
Pay No Heed is here because 1) it stops many infinite damage combos, and 2) it stops Manabarbs for a turn, which can be really useful when I can't draw a Stuffy Doll and a Pariah. Because it says "damage" and not "combat damage", it is very useful, much more so than angel song which has a higher CMC and does nothing against the 'barbs or burn, etc.
Phyrexian Unlife is very useful without Solemnity. Solemnity is the half that isn't particularly useful - sure it's good against Predator Ooze and the like, but otherwise, without Unlife, it does less than Pariah - essentially a dead card. Unlife, on the other hand, is basically a risky +10 life, which is really useful in a slow, grindy deck.
Curse of Exhaustion is bad, but manly because of it's high CMC. I've played it a few times in casual matches and my opponents hate it. It's very powerful. Also, it's a distraction for opponents to waste removal spells on. That said, it's surely the worst card here; I included it more as a joke than anything.
While 3CMC is far from ideal, Oblivion Ring is just so bloody useful. It works on pretty much everything. Like Liliana for example. And last time I checked, there was no enchantment removal in black. So yea. O-Ring is really good here, at least, it is on a budget and in a joke deck at that. Since I'm already including a full set of Oppressive Rays, Journey to Nowhere seems to fall in between - being both narrower than the Ring and costlier than the Ray.
Heliod's Pilgrim is decent. I'll consider it. Too bad it won't help get Manabarbs. Also, it's 3CMC, which is exactly the CMC you criticized in your first comment. I'm amused. And while it is decent, even facing removal, Mesa Enchantress at least has the chance of drawing me many, many cards, verses 1 aura. In playtesting, I actually got 2 Enchantress down with a surprising regularity. And they drew me so many cards, Reliquary Tower is actually really useful. In my other, slightly more serious (while still very casual/multiplayer) build Bed of Coals, I've ran the Enchantress as well, and so far my playgroup [shockingly] ignore it. In that same vein, my playgroup was terrified of Authority of the Consuls. Go figure. I chalk it up the meta.
Faith's Shield is really useful here because it works on everything and with Unlife, the Fateful Hour effect is much more likely to be useful, granting me hexproof, too, which really grinds opponents running burn, mill, etc. Stuffy Doll's indestructible does a decent job of giving it staying power. The Shield is more about protecting Pariah and Manabarbs, but it could be used on the Doll against exile, or, on the off chance I get a Ethereal Armor on a Doll, it can be used for a very funny swing. All that said, Pentarch Ward is strictly less useful. And, it comes at that crappy 3CMC you [again] previously said was so "horrid."
Bojuka Bog is here strictly for graveyard hate. I considered other spells like Tormod's Crypt, but those would all take up extra slots while the Bog can just fill in a land slot. Given all the spells but the 'barbs are white, there's little need for mana-fixing. While there are enchantments that would do the job, they would take up space in the sideboard that could be filled with considerably more useful spells. I am aware there are better spells than the Bog, but not spells that would take up less space. I considered Battlefield Forge - it's in my other deck I mentioned before. I'd say the main reason it's not here is because I don't take this deck seriously at all.
Boros Charm seems pretty good to me, especially against Back to Nature. Also potentially giving a Doll with Ethereal Armor on it double strike seems good, albeit extremely unlikely. at 2CMC, I'd hardly consider it "mana intensive", though I happily admit I prefer the shield (thus, the shield is mainboarded the charm is sideboarded. I swap one for the other based on what opponents are running. Karma is very narrow. Basically, it's a joke deck meant for unlikely fun and Karma fits that bill. I wouldn't mind cutting it back to 1x. It's clearly not important. I'd swap a 'barbs for it in matchups against mono-black decks.
Revoke Existence is here because someone in my playgroup runs Myr Battlesphere in a tron deck with lots of graveyard return. It's a tough deck to beat, so being able to exile an artifact is really useful. Personally, if I run any artifacts of importance, I always include at least 1x Buried Ruin, so again, something that exiles artifacts strikes me terrifically useful.
While the curve is bad, I feel like I would be remiss if I failed to point out that this is a slow, grindy deck. With spells like Ghostly Prison, Oppressive Rays, and Phyrexian Unlife, there's likely more time to build up a mana-base capable of hard-casting the spells at the top of the curve. This deck is clearly not intended on getting a win T3, or even T5 for that matter. It's meant as a joke only to be played for laughs in a casual multiplayer context.
I like to build decks here by adding just 1x of any relevant cards, checking "Prototype," saving, and then using the +1/-1 click option. It allows to me to fill the deck out in a more visual way and to consider how many of each card I want. As I continue to make changes and updates, sometimes my decks will drop below 60. But thank you for pointing out I have 1x slot to fill. I'm sure I'll
I did very much hope you'd have some 1-2 CMC budget enchantment suggestions that would thwart opponents developments like Ghostly Prison. I occurs to me that many pillow-fort/prison decks tend to focus on creatures, and are weak against decks with non-creature based wincons. After having researched the archetype of pillow-fort and also searching through every white and red enchantment under 3CMC, I failed to find anything that was broad and relevant beyond what I've already included.
Thank you again, from the bottom of my heart, for your response. The time, thought, and energy you've put in are appreciated.
1 year ago
Yes, I get that it is a budget deck - I'm not sure why you say that playing Manabarbs and Stuffy Doll means you can't have a good curve. It doesn't. If you understand the concept of mana curve but still ignored it, then that says a lot, I guess.
Ok, as for specific suggestions, here they are:Moving 2 Pay No Heed to sideboard. It can come in against combo decks like Scapeshift.Moving 2 Phyrexian Unlife to sideboard. Should play it with Solemnity or not at all.Cut 1 Curse of Exhaustion and frankly, might move the other 1 to sideboard, because I'm not sure who you are trying to get with this. It's too slow for Storm, maybe it stops Snapcaster Mage tricks, but it's only an annoyance more than anything.Moved 1 Oblivion Ring to the sideboard.Cut 1 Pariah. This card doesn't really do anything without a Stuffy Doll out, plus more reasons later.Cut 4 Mesa Enchantress. You already play very few creatures. I suspect most opponents will have multiple removals in hand to deal with this before you can extract any card advantage from it. Now, the replacements.Adding 4 Heliod's Pilgrim. Guaranteed at least 1 card when you cast this creature. Is a legitimate tutor but restricted to Auras. Still, it makes your 1-ofs better and it enables us to go down 1 Curse and 1 Pariah too, since they are now searchable.Adding 1 Pentarch Ward. To support your Faith's Shields. But really, this is really for exile effects like Path to Exile on your Stuffy Doll.Added 2 Journey to Nowhere. RemovalAdded 4 Angelsong. Stalls the game, or if not, cycles.Added 1 Scrabbling Claws. Budget graveyard hate, also cycles.
Lands:Added 4 Battlefield Forge. Removed 1 Bojuka Bog - if you are playing this just for graveyard hate, I've replaced it with Claws, if you have Relic of Progenitus that's fine too.Removed 1 Reliquary Tower - I doubt that you will need its ability often.Kept the rest, but cut 1 Plains and 1 Mountain to make space.
Sideboard:Cut Boros Charm. I suspect you need this card mainly for the indestructible mode, and this saves only your enchantment pieces, since Doll is already indestructible. If that is the case, I suggest more Faith's Shield, or something not so mana intensive.Cut Karma - much too narrow. I have literally not seen this being played before. If you are afraid of black, play some Celestial Purge instead. Liliana of the Veil is one of the worst cards you can face.I would cut 2 Revoke Existence, if you want you can play more Disenchants. I'm not sure what indestructible artifact/enchantment (or anything that comes back from the graveyard?) you are worried about.
That brings your deck to 60 cards (did you realise you were originally playing with only 59 cards?) and a nicer curve and a lower budget.
1 year ago
Go down to one temple garden and add more fetches probs Windswept Heath, cut a plain for a forest. Replace the lead the stampede and one creature for 4 Chord of Callings. Cut Pay No Heed and cut the Stony Silence you don't need that much artifact hate. I'll talk to you about next time I see you