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Pay No Heed
Prevent all damage a source of your choice would deal this turn.
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Pay No Heed Discussion
21 hours ago
Some very outdated replies below. Thanks for your input everyone!
gabrielguieiro, I had a go with Gift of Orzhova but I found it to be a little slow. All my other enchantments cost 1 and I prefer the speed. However it is excellent later in the game to make more flyers when I need them. The evasion sometimes makes all the difference.
Hey festerfizzle. I'd prefer to have Tithe Drinker over Putrid Warrior because the extort often gets used multiple times per turn, and where the opponent loses the life, I gain it. It also has lifelink too. If you're making a similar deck, one playset of creatures is probably enough as creatures can be cast more reliably.
eyessky, my deck also fares poorly against burn. If they're tapped out early and I can cast a lifelinker and enchant it enough in one turn so it's too big to kill with a few burn spells, I might stand a chance. But by game 2 they'll catch on and leave some lands untapped and I'll have trouble retaining my creatures. I side in Pay No Heed and Castigate against burn players, but that's all I've got. It helps a little. Ideally, you should use some Circle of Protection: Red. That's your best bet. I rarely encounter pauper burn though, so my sideboard doesn't have it.
4 months ago
malakirofgoodness, thanks for the +1 Vote! I'm happy to hear you like the deck. It's is a ton of fun to play. My favorite moments are always when I resolve an Abzan Falconer and then attack all-in for the win. No one ever expects that a 10 Uncommon will be their downfall.
Feel free to make alterations to the Sideboard to best fit your local meta, however, I HIGHLY keeping Eerie Interlude (for Control match-ups) and Pay No Heed (for Infect, Scapeshift, Burn, and Bogles match-ups). Pay No Heed does prevent multiple triggers of damage from the same source in a single turn.
If you're interested in saving some money, I also have a more budget-friendly version of this deck here, Flying Nuns -- Budget Version.
7 months ago
I'm tickled to death with your thoughtfully snide reply. I'm hard-headed, snotty, snide, and argumentative to a fault, so you can only imagine the supreme joy I feel as I write this ridiculous, lengthy response. And I mean that - I'm not being sarcastic.
Manabarbs and Stuffy Doll both have a high CMC, and, in a boros deck, there's not really space for any mana ramp. Which means the curve is going to be bad. Along with Pariah, the absolute soonest the entire combo could hit would be T6, and that wouldn't be an instant win at all. Which means, no matter how many sub 3CMC spells are in the deck, it's not going to get to a win any faster. If I throw in enough tutors to get the Doll and the 'barbs, then it's going to take up so much space, the deck will be much less "protected" early game - it would mean I'd be less likely to draw disruption and without the disruption slots, it would be even more vital to get the combo out, meaning casting tutors with nothing but land out. These are the reasons, while seeming good, both Stuffy Doll and Manabarbs aren't remotely competitive - they're too slow to cast and too slow to win. Building a deck with both is laughable. If it isn't clear, I don't take this deck seriously at all.
Pay No Heed is here because 1) it stops many infinite damage combos, and 2) it stops Manabarbs for a turn, which can be really useful when I can't draw a Stuffy Doll and a Pariah. Because it says "damage" and not "combat damage", it is very useful, much more so than angel song which has a higher CMC and does nothing against the 'barbs or burn, etc.
Phyrexian Unlife is very useful without Solemnity. Solemnity is the half that isn't particularly useful - sure it's good against Predator Ooze and the like, but otherwise, without Unlife, it does less than Pariah - essentially a dead card. Unlife, on the other hand, is basically a risky +10 life, which is really useful in a slow, grindy deck.
Curse of Exhaustion is bad, but manly because of it's high CMC. I've played it a few times in casual matches and my opponents hate it. It's very powerful. Also, it's a distraction for opponents to waste removal spells on. That said, it's surely the worst card here; I included it more as a joke than anything.
While 3CMC is far from ideal, Oblivion Ring is just so bloody useful. It works on pretty much everything. Like Liliana for example. And last time I checked, there was no enchantment removal in black. So yea. O-Ring is really good here, at least, it is on a budget and in a joke deck at that. Since I'm already including a full set of Oppressive Rays, Journey to Nowhere seems to fall in between - being both narrower than the Ring and costlier than the Ray.
Heliod's Pilgrim is decent. I'll consider it. Too bad it won't help get Manabarbs. Also, it's 3CMC, which is exactly the CMC you criticized in your first comment. I'm amused. And while it is decent, even facing removal, Mesa Enchantress at least has the chance of drawing me many, many cards, verses 1 aura. In playtesting, I actually got 2 Enchantress down with a surprising regularity. And they drew me so many cards, Reliquary Tower is actually really useful. In my other, slightly more serious (while still very casual/multiplayer) build Bed of Coals, I've ran the Enchantress as well, and so far my playgroup [shockingly] ignore it. In that same vein, my playgroup was terrified of Authority of the Consuls. Go figure. I chalk it up the meta.
Faith's Shield is really useful here because it works on everything and with Unlife, the Fateful Hour effect is much more likely to be useful, granting me hexproof, too, which really grinds opponents running burn, mill, etc. Stuffy Doll's indestructible does a decent job of giving it staying power. The Shield is more about protecting Pariah and Manabarbs, but it could be used on the Doll against exile, or, on the off chance I get a Ethereal Armor on a Doll, it can be used for a very funny swing. All that said, Pentarch Ward is strictly less useful. And, it comes at that crappy 3CMC you [again] previously said was so "horrid."
Bojuka Bog is here strictly for graveyard hate. I considered other spells like Tormod's Crypt, but those would all take up extra slots while the Bog can just fill in a land slot. Given all the spells but the 'barbs are white, there's little need for mana-fixing. While there are enchantments that would do the job, they would take up space in the sideboard that could be filled with considerably more useful spells. I am aware there are better spells than the Bog, but not spells that would take up less space. I considered Battlefield Forge - it's in my other deck I mentioned before. I'd say the main reason it's not here is because I don't take this deck seriously at all.
Boros Charm seems pretty good to me, especially against Back to Nature. Also potentially giving a Doll with Ethereal Armor on it double strike seems good, albeit extremely unlikely. at 2CMC, I'd hardly consider it "mana intensive", though I happily admit I prefer the shield (thus, the shield is mainboarded the charm is sideboarded. I swap one for the other based on what opponents are running. Karma is very narrow. Basically, it's a joke deck meant for unlikely fun and Karma fits that bill. I wouldn't mind cutting it back to 1x. It's clearly not important. I'd swap a 'barbs for it in matchups against mono-black decks.
Revoke Existence is here because someone in my playgroup runs Myr Battlesphere in a tron deck with lots of graveyard return. It's a tough deck to beat, so being able to exile an artifact is really useful. Personally, if I run any artifacts of importance, I always include at least 1x Buried Ruin, so again, something that exiles artifacts strikes me terrifically useful.
While the curve is bad, I feel like I would be remiss if I failed to point out that this is a slow, grindy deck. With spells like Ghostly Prison, Oppressive Rays, and Phyrexian Unlife, there's likely more time to build up a mana-base capable of hard-casting the spells at the top of the curve. This deck is clearly not intended on getting a win T3, or even T5 for that matter. It's meant as a joke only to be played for laughs in a casual multiplayer context.
I like to build decks here by adding just 1x of any relevant cards, checking "Prototype," saving, and then using the +1/-1 click option. It allows to me to fill the deck out in a more visual way and to consider how many of each card I want. As I continue to make changes and updates, sometimes my decks will drop below 60. But thank you for pointing out I have 1x slot to fill. I'm sure I'll
I did very much hope you'd have some 1-2 CMC budget enchantment suggestions that would thwart opponents developments like Ghostly Prison. I occurs to me that many pillow-fort/prison decks tend to focus on creatures, and are weak against decks with non-creature based wincons. After having researched the archetype of pillow-fort and also searching through every white and red enchantment under 3CMC, I failed to find anything that was broad and relevant beyond what I've already included.
Thank you again, from the bottom of my heart, for your response. The time, thought, and energy you've put in are appreciated.
7 months ago
Yes, I get that it is a budget deck - I'm not sure why you say that playing Manabarbs and Stuffy Doll means you can't have a good curve. It doesn't. If you understand the concept of mana curve but still ignored it, then that says a lot, I guess.
Ok, as for specific suggestions, here they are:Moving 2 Pay No Heed to sideboard. It can come in against combo decks like Scapeshift.Moving 2 Phyrexian Unlife to sideboard. Should play it with Solemnity or not at all.Cut 1 Curse of Exhaustion and frankly, might move the other 1 to sideboard, because I'm not sure who you are trying to get with this. It's too slow for Storm, maybe it stops Snapcaster Mage tricks, but it's only an annoyance more than anything.Moved 1 Oblivion Ring to the sideboard.Cut 1 Pariah. This card doesn't really do anything without a Stuffy Doll out, plus more reasons later.Cut 4 Mesa Enchantress. You already play very few creatures. I suspect most opponents will have multiple removals in hand to deal with this before you can extract any card advantage from it. Now, the replacements.Adding 4 Heliod's Pilgrim. Guaranteed at least 1 card when you cast this creature. Is a legitimate tutor but restricted to Auras. Still, it makes your 1-ofs better and it enables us to go down 1 Curse and 1 Pariah too, since they are now searchable.Adding 1 Pentarch Ward. To support your Faith's Shields. But really, this is really for exile effects like Path to Exile on your Stuffy Doll.Added 2 Journey to Nowhere. RemovalAdded 4 Angelsong. Stalls the game, or if not, cycles.Added 1 Scrabbling Claws. Budget graveyard hate, also cycles.
Lands:Added 4 Battlefield Forge. Removed 1 Bojuka Bog - if you are playing this just for graveyard hate, I've replaced it with Claws, if you have Relic of Progenitus that's fine too.Removed 1 Reliquary Tower - I doubt that you will need its ability often.Kept the rest, but cut 1 Plains and 1 Mountain to make space.
Sideboard:Cut Boros Charm. I suspect you need this card mainly for the indestructible mode, and this saves only your enchantment pieces, since Doll is already indestructible. If that is the case, I suggest more Faith's Shield, or something not so mana intensive.Cut Karma - much too narrow. I have literally not seen this being played before. If you are afraid of black, play some Celestial Purge instead. Liliana of the Veil is one of the worst cards you can face.I would cut 2 Revoke Existence, if you want you can play more Disenchants. I'm not sure what indestructible artifact/enchantment (or anything that comes back from the graveyard?) you are worried about.
That brings your deck to 60 cards (did you realise you were originally playing with only 59 cards?) and a nicer curve and a lower budget.
7 months ago
Go down to one temple garden and add more fetches probs Windswept Heath, cut a plain for a forest. Replace the lead the stampede and one creature for 4 Chord of Callings. Cut Pay No Heed and cut the Stony Silence you don't need that much artifact hate. I'll talk to you about next time I see you
1 year ago
1 year ago
Pay No Heed for the side board is great against Burn, Scapeshift or Infect.
1 year ago
First of all I want to say that I read your description, so I know you are not trying to make a killer deck out of the bat. I'm going to give you some suggestions, I understand some might be a bit over your budget (even though I'll try and keep the more expensive cards only around a couple bucks) and some might not be as interesting for you considering your specific playgroup and your goal with the deck, but since EDH is the perfect format to develop a deck during longer periods of time, and I strongly encourage everyone who plays to do so in order to create an healthy and dynamic playgroup, I'm going to suggest some changes that will improve both on the power level and consistency of your deck.
My deck is more expensive (but still pretty reasonable considering 100 cards) but it performs really well in competitive environments without overpowering the board in more fun oriented playgroups. You can check it out and maybe you'll find some other cards you don't know about that might be good for you:
Commander / EDH*
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About your deck now, I'll list the changes I'd make and try to explain why so you can pick and choose when you start making replacements.
You want your plays and reanimations to be more than vannilla creatures, doesn't matter if they make themselves larger if they are easilly blocked and killed, and definitely, if you are running cards over 2 power which are not targets for Alesha, they must enable something game ending, otherwise you are taking consistency out from your deck and not gaining anything in return.
As for noncreature spells I'd take out: Asha's Favor, Berserkers' Onslaught, Blue Ward, Fear, Messenger's Speed, Protective Sphere, Skeletal Grimace, Demystify, Dragonrage (this is kinda okay with double strike, but still, much better options), Harsh Sustenance, Pay No Heed, Profit / Loss, Showstopper, Tenacity, Uncaged Fury, Uncanny Speed, War Flare, Wing Shards (You have no reasonable way to enable storm, so for 3 mana there are numerous better removal options), Coercion (it's one use only. In a multiplayer game you can't possibly gain advantage from picking one card from one opponent in 99% of situations), Kytheon's Tactics, Spectral Reserves and Terashi's Grasp.
I'd take almost all of those auras and instants/sorceries because in my experience Alesha isn't suited for that. She is perfect for a toolbox commander, so you should enforce that and play effects like destroying enchantments, on creatures that you can recurr as you need them instead of on one spell that can be used once. Again, this is relevant because Alesha can use creatures over and over, but not noncreature spells. In decks like Dralnu and such, it would be the other way around. As for ways to pump your creatures, again, it's a one trick pony and then your opponents will be able to block or remove your threat's easilly. Double strike definitely is not the best option, since Alesha likes small creatures, and double strike on small creatures is underwhelming. The trick is to manage a way to keep the board under control, and win little by little or comboing off with something.
I won't change the land base because that's where most money is usually spent and I avoid that as well. Command Tower, Vivid Marsh and Vivid Crag are solid and not very expensive, but again, I don't usually feel the need to improve that much on mana base. But if you feel you are playing this deck for a long time, I'd recommend you pick up a Chromatic Lantern soon. It's insanely important, since Alesha is , and her ability costs so sometimes getting the colours you need for both soon in the game might be harsh. The lantern just saw a reprint so it's lower on price now than it's ever gonna be for a long time after.
What to include then? I'd change a lot, but since you are playing a deck made of what you had laying around, I understand if you don't. I'll go over a few that you should include if you want to improve on the list and you can pick and adjust as you feel it's right. Also, probably all of these will be in my deck, so you can check it and see if there are other options there that you'd want to play instead of those I suggested you'd switch out:
Let's take the more expensive ones out of the way: Reconnaissance (is key to keep attacking with Alesha for her ability even when your opponents have shields up), Cathars' Crusade (this is the way I usually win) and Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit (in a smaller scale, but also good to make creatures bigger and enables one of the easiest combos available too). I believe these are slightly over your budget, but they definitely pull more than their weight. I'd run these no matter what, but Cathars' Crusade is the one that I can't stress enough for you to try out.
Nekrataal, War Priest of Thune, Ingot Chewer (and slightly more expensive Big Game Hunter) are those creatures I recommended for you to run and recurr with Alesha for the effects you had on noncreature spells.
Zulaport Cutthroat and Falkenrath Noble will give you value when your small creatures die. Brutal Hordechief gains you life as well, and lets you choose blockers as you please, most times it's relevant to push through lethal damage and people don't notice that until it's too late.
Goblin Bombardment will let you shoot something in response to your creatures getting killed.
Sol Ring is a must include in every EDH deck and is cheap as it has ever been right now, Rakdos Signet, Boros Signet and Orzhov Signet are very relevant ways to ramp and fix your mana a bit, while Burnished Hart gets lands of your deck at an impressive rate.
And finally these aren't in my deck, but I believe should be in yours: Ichorclaw Myr, Core Prowler, Septic Rats, Ichor Rats and Whispering Specter. You should have more than a couple infect creatures to ensure you can finish someone once you start hitting with infect damage.
I hope this was of help, it's really cool you are making a deck out of scraps, per say, so you can easilly bring new players in, that's something admirable, since most times the biggest barrier to new players is the intricate play levels of their potential playgroups. I usually lend my decks to new players until they feel comfortable enough with the format to build their own, but that kind of approach making almost a "limited" EDH deck is pretty cool and perfect to help new players improve. As I said, EDH is perfect to improve deckbuilding in time, so that's an awesome way to kick it off!