Thalia, Heretic Cathar
Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
Creatures and nonbasic lands your opponents control enter the battlefield tapped.
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Thalia, Heretic Cathar Discussion
4 weeks ago
Thank you for entrusting me to look over your deck. So i'll start by saying we have reached a point where there are more powerful options than there are available deck slots. Therefore, many times choices come down to prioritizing a specific strategy like voltorn vs go wide, how cards interact with other cards in your deck, or if you want to better your chances against a particular opponent. So the most important information I can give you is the cards that I think will underperform. From there that allows you the freedom to try out some of the things I suggest or test out some of your own choices.
You can find the card by card choices here. I just find it easier to work on a spreadsheet to see what I am changing. Helps me keep track of changes to CMC/mana curve, number of removal spells etc.
Ill use this to talk about general philosophy and other optional choices that I didnt include above.
First things first, many people have mentioned some issues with the mana base. So yes we'll want to get you up around 37 lands. I got you to 36 with 2 cards that find lands. So just be dilligent about your mulligans since were still slightly greedy. Mana production is super important with this deck because all you really need to win after a board wipe is enough mana to recast aurelia and put some swords on her. Because of this early game i tutor for sword of the animist about 70% of the time. I also made some changes to your utility lands so you can get some added benefits there. Becareful with colorless lands, aurelias colors are pretty strict so manage colorless lands closely, if you start having issues either cut colorless lands or add a chromatic lantern. Fetches and Dual lands do make life easier but thats a high cost low impact change. Its nice but not necessary.
As I talk about in the document, Sword of Feast and Famine is the single most impactful change you can make. It sucks because they are super expensive, but it allows you to do ridiculous things and get way ahead of your opponents. It makes the rest of your swords look like rusty forks by comparison. Mid game I am probably tutoring for feast and famine, the only equipment that really comes close is a Sunforger with a full sunforger package though it is slower.
The second most impactful change you can make is adding teferi's protection. Its useful in 100% of games, but it too commends a super high price tag. Fortunately you can substitute this one with a combination of Boros Charm / Comeuppance / Eerie Interlude or other protection effects.
Mana ramp wise, i made a few changes. Nothing crazy, but in a slower setting I do prefer multi ramp as opposed to mind stone type cards. You want a little of both. The options i added are all colorless. If you find that colors are a problem you can look at gilded lotus or kor cartographer. Another thing to mention is that because of the increased mana production, you may find a need to add 1 or 2 cards at 6 or 7CMC. Just pay attention to how it performs. If you have a lot of mana late with nothing to do having something big to go to is nice.
Removal wise I really like my removal to hit everything possible. So thats where I really like Austere Command and things that blow up multiple permanents types. I didnt mention them in the doucment partly due to cost, partly due to CMC, but they are both incredibly effective and thats Ugin, the Spirit Dragon and All Is Dust. Again all you needs is swords and mana to finish a game. Magmaquake is also a nice option since it doesnt kill aurelia and hits planeswalkers. I really like Hour of Revelation but its pretty dangerous for your equipments.... I would want more protection and recursion effects if I were going that Hour of Rev direction, but its great in decks that are slightly less artifact heavy. Cleansing Nova is also pretty real. Deck slots get really tight and it usually means cutting creatures but I also like having both generous gift and chaos warp, you've only got 1 for now and thats ok. Just pay attention to see if you are really needing that second all target piece of removal...they are useful for people that hide behind sporefrog and glacial chasm. Another card I forgot to mention is Volcanic Offering It never hits your stuff, blows up problematic lands without sacrificing your own lands, and is just fun cause everyone gets to be involved. Many options for removal, will depend on what your meta calls for.
Card draw there are a few additional options for things. Wheel of Fortune and Reforge the Soul will both be the best, and combo with smothering tithe. Plus they are pretty disruptive too opponents especially around turn 4 or 5. Aside from those, Tome of Legends and Rogue's Gloves are both reasonable. I like that tome doesnt require successful hits, but overall draws less cards. Manifold Key looks a little better if you decide to go with Tome because aurelia puts more counters on it than you can untap, plus unblockable is needed sometimes. Prophetic Flamespeaker and Tectonic Giant are also ways that you can look at additional cards. They arent as good as just drawing cards, but if your goal is just to look at more cards they will fill the role, plus Prophetic wears equipments very well, but they do sometimes exile cards you wanted.
Another thing that I ran out of room for is more double strike. I usually run 3-4 sources when possible. Duelist's Heritage is my favorite but Silverblade Paladin and True Conviction are also great. Embercleave will also be possible, but I would wait for the price to come down a little.
Other fun cards that warrant some amount of consideration but are not must includes: Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion, Citadel Siege, Hate Mirage Argentum Armor its fun but it gets stuck in hand a lot. If you attack with it you probably just won the game.
Powering Up the deck. If you find yourself in more high power metas facing down stronger and faster opponents, you'll want to embrace the philosophy of more interaction and dropping the curve back down a bit. A few key hatebears can really slow things down like Thalia, Heretic Cathar Hushbringer and Remorseful Cleric. The big thing I use to shutdown combo decks is to get a decent board position, usually a flying creature with a relevant sword (feast and famine if possible) and then use Goblin Engineer to slam Winter Orb and you can watch the combo decks cry salty salty tears. God-Pharaoh's Statue is also an option that isnt winter orb levels of salt inducing but keeps opponents off of big turns.
You can check out my list right here. Aurelia Weapons of War Currently ive got it setup to go very fast to compete in a more combo centric turn 6 turn 7 style meta. My build is going to be a little soft to someone just having a lot of creatures on board. Anyway I hope all this helps :)
1 month ago
1 month ago
Thalia, Heretic Cathar, Kataki, War's Wage, Spirit of the Labyrinth, Eidolon of Rhetoric, Rule of Law, Hokori, Dust Drinker, Painful Quandary, Oppression, Leonin Arbiter - and life effects - can really help you with D&T. Having played an Alesha version of hatebears. Its sort of stax like, mostly running a low powered creature count to keep the effects nice and stacked.
Luminarch Ascension can be a decent "win con", as if you opponents are unable to oppose you, you can just bash the girls in non-stop!
1 month ago
Lots of subthemes you got there, that's some interesting challenge. All in all, you're running way too many high-costed cards for a Commander that generally revolves around more of an aggressive strategy. I'll further provide you a personalized list of adjustments, trying my best to keep it at the lowest budget as possible.
Very first thing, 37 lands is too much for an Anafenza deck imo. You can easily go down to 35/34 in order to feel more proactive. That being said, the mana base of your decklist is pretty unstable, and you'll need better mana rocks, around 5/6 good rocks should do it helping you stabilizing.
The second thing to bring up is that you play loads and loads of creatures with actually specific abilities that don't always combine altogether well. Like, for example, in which way would Slimefoot, the Stowaway help Anafenza, the Foremost being consistent? My answer, without another kind of appreciation than logic: not any single one. If you need cheap legendary to keep it up with your theme, there are better options, but remind that this was only a little example.
Finally, you lack reactivity because of very few instant/flash spells. It's not as necessary as some think, but still have a way to protect dutifully your creatures is a key for aggro/midrange decks in EDH. Being able to answer what your opponents bring up to the tape is moreover essential, and I don't see enough removals/tricks in there.
So, let's take a closer look from now on. I'll make some different categories starting with the cuts to make it easier to read.
1.) Back to 100 cards:
Abzan Battle Priest > not bad on its own, fits decently in some casual decks with +1/+1 as their central archetype. It's not a good card to include since you aren't only focusing on this aspect. It's too slow, unreliable.
Abzan Falconer > same comment
Mer-Ek Nightblade > still the same / it's even the worst one
Tuskguard Captain > still and still water
Spirit of the Hearth > overcosted, overrated, no particular reason to include this card there even if a Cat Spirit feels pretty cool
Wingmate Roc > not bad but too slow, doesn't synergize well with your themes, in concurrence with just better cards on the spot
Soul of the Harvest > overcosted card draw outlet, I'll procure you some better option for a cheap price
Slimefoot, the Stowaway > despite being legendary, doesn't do much
Reya Dawnbringer > recursion is like... really good, but damn this card is slow and bad. You have to wait one whole turn for it to trigger, with only cards like Shalai, Voice of Plenty in your list to protect it. Yeah, I don't think it'll happen often. Definitively cut.
Noosegraf Mob > +1/+1 card but without any real synergies. You have better options.
Lena, Selfless Champion > too slow
Hornet Queen > good card but doesn't fit in there, seems like a weird choice of token generator
Parhelion II > cool card, poor consistency there
Quietus Spike > same: cool card, poor consistency
Kaya, Bane of the Dead > slow removal, pretty bad imo
Brave the Sands > non-mbo with Anafenza, overrated card
Abundance > good card, not needed there
Kin-Tree Invocation > not bad not good, lacks interactions
Mirari's Wake > same comment as for Abundance
Leyline of Abundance > not enough interactions
Panharmonicon > not enough interactions
Trostani, Selesnya's Voice > not enough interactions
Sorin, Vengeful Bloodlord > not enough interactions
3 basic lands
2.) Cheap Improvements:
2.1.) Mana Rocks:
Sol Ring > yeh it's boring to see this card everywhere I know
Fellwar Stone > excellent mana rock, tapping for every color most of the time
2.2.) More removals:
Those are the classical ones you surely know. They are easily affordable and would give your deck a small lift at controlling the board state.
2.3.) Better Legendaries:
Mikaeus, the Lunarch > not the cheapest already, but really effective, almost a staple for your deck style
Hope of Ghirapur > underrated card, does a lot, insane with recursion to lock down a combo player at low cost
Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit > certainly a staple / and somewhat a reason to get rid of the token subtheme which is maybe a bit too much
Syr Faren, the Hengehammer > also certainly a staple / aggressive, good interactions with Anafenza, better than lords already in your deck
Kethis, the Hidden Hand > Yawgmoth's Will for legendaries? I'll take that. It could also be a nice alternative commander when you face more control-ish decks you're stuck against, enabling you to have an efficient late game on its own once made your commander.
Mangara of Corondor > Legendary creature which works as a nonsituational removal. Really good. Even if you can't always activate it when it hits the table, your opponents have to get rid of it using their hand resources and you make 1 for 1.
Masako the Humorless > Underplayed card / can be a game-changer / and it's a legendary creature.
2.4.) Voltron Outlet:
Sword of the Animist > ramp while keeping the pressure on your opponents
Hero's Blade > certainly a staple there with your legendary subtheme
Blackblade Reforged > same comment as for Hero's Blade
2.5.) Other cool cards to look at:
Throne of the God-Pharaoh > feels like a staple / Legendary
Vivien's Arkbow > cheap tutor / overall excellent
Vivien, Champion of the Wilds > flash out your creatures for more survivability and tricks
Primevals' Glorious Rebirth > excellent win condition / recursion
Kamahl's Druidic Vow > excellent win condition / Genesis wave for legendaries' madmen
Eladamri's Call > staple / it's cheap now that it's been re-edited in Modern Horizons, I'll try to get a copy of it by trading/buying it if I were you
3.) Medium Budget Improvements:
3.1.) Mana Rocks:
3.2.) Even more removals:
3.3.) Legendaries' Staples:
Rishkar, Peema Renegade > nice ramp, +1/+1 counters, overall really strong
3.4.) Neverending Voltron Outlet:
Konda's Banner > Yeh, it's a little bit expensive money speaking, but it does everything you're searching for, like a bridge between your Cats, your legends and your Voltron strategy.
Skullclamp > staple
3.5.) Cool cards:
Eternal Witness > best green recursion card
Green Sun's Zenith > one of the best green tutors
Scout's Warning > good card overall, cycles when you don't need it
4.) Expensive Improvements:
Finale of Devastation > tutor, win condition, not a necessity though
Blade of Selves > good equipment, not a necessity
Umezawa's Jitte > Core tool of lots of Voltron decks, would be necessary if you want to confront this deck to more competitive ones.
Swords' package > same comment as for the Jitte
Thalia, Guardian of Thraben > meta-depending staple
Gaddock Teeg > meta-depending staple
Liliana, the Last Hope > card-draw/legendary
Loyal Retainers > staple if you're going more in the legendary archetype
Selvala, Heart of the Wilds > card-draw/legendary/ramp
Reki, the History of Kamigawa > card-draw/legendary
Captain Sisay > staple / tutor / legendary
5.) Some other cards you could try (which I mostly haven't, or for which I have a doubt about their efficiency):
Sigil of Distinction > feels Voltron-ish
Sigiled Sword of Valeron > interacts with Anafenza, creates tokens, Voltron equipment
Masterwork of Ingenuity > I used it long ago in my Tajic's deck, which was globally a Voltron deck running between 15/20 pieces of equipment. Dunno if it could be of use there but it's a good card for sure.
Heart of Kiran > good card overall, you can Crew it and buff the creature you used to do so with Anafenza. That being said, I think it may reveal too inconsistent.
Sensei Golden-Tail > seems funny
Kunoros, Hound of Athreos > powerful hate-bear with good stats and abilities, certainly really good in a more good-stuff oriented iteration.
Isamaru, Hound of Konda > Lil' bro' of Kunoros doubtlessly, made for aggressive purposes. Good overall.
Thalia, Heretic Cathar > also more of a good-stuff card.
Taranika, Akroan Veteran > I never played her but damn she seems strong af.
Hua Tuo, Honored Physician > repeatable recursion.
Pir, Imaginative Rascal > not that I dislike it, however Hardened Scales already was a bad card if I'm honest. Pir is a tad bit better. Certainly better than Corpsejack Menace you're running, and carries more interactions.
1 month ago
Hey hey dawg!
There are just so many ways you could go about this! I have no idea if I'm doing the right thing here but here are a few ideas
Return of the Wildspeaker --> out -- I just dont think this card is very good in general. You dont have a ton of big creatures and +3/+3 isn't that exciting. Would rather play Harmonize which is unconditional.
Austere Command --> maybeboard -- This could be wrong, but I was looking for cards to cut and felt like an expensive wrath wasn't exactly where your deck wanted to be.
Keeper of Fables --> maybeboard -- I mean I get it that you can potentially draw up to 3 cards a turn, but its just so meh.
Greater Auramancy --> Maybeboard -- I was considering this cuz I think there's potential for a strong enchantments theme. Opted for Sterling Grove instead because it also tutors but this is here just as a consideration.
Archon of Absolution --> maybeboard -- Its on theme but I don't think its taxing enough right? maybe I'm crazy and this is exactly what you want cuz you can trigger goad with your commander?? but its 4 mana as well idk I just took it out cuz its floor is very low.
Kinjalli's Sunwing --> out -- Not sure why this card was in here to begin with, I mean you aren't granting mass haste or anything and the whole idea is you're goading people so few people are gonna have blockers, plus plenty of your is evasive. I think Thalia, Heretic Cathar feels this role very well already.
Urabrask the Hidden --> maybeboard -- This card is sweet but its 5 mana.
Elspeth, Sun's Champion --> maybeboard -- Elspeth feels a little out of place.
Beast Whisperer --> maybeboard -- Not into this as a reliable form of card draw.
Soltari Champion --> out -- I get the idea, you're trying to trigger goad, but isn't this card just bad? a 3 mana unblockable with battlecry doesn't seem particularly playable.
Gruul War Chant --> out -- This card is just way too low impact for 4 mana.
Sunblast Angel --> Maybeboard -- I get the idea cuz everyone is attacking and tapped but meh.
Dryad Sophisticate --> out -- I don't think unblockable 2/1 are good enough even if they do trigger marisi. I like the idea of playing evasive hatebears or something. Maybe I'm just way off base with this deck haha
The Great Henge --> maybeboard -- this card is sweet and super pwoerful but you got a bunch of dorky 2/2s and stuff this thing is gonna routinely cost you like 7 mana and at that point wouldn't you just play Zendikar Resurgent? (I didn't put zendikar resurgent in though but if you want an effect like henge, I think I'd go with resurgent)
Druids' Repository --> main -- Idk! this seems cool and fun!! All your creatures become mana dorks cuz they'll be attacking anyway! Seems p good! Also if you make a bunch of 1/1 tokens with Tempt with Vengeance and Sylvan Offering you make a bunch of mana when they attack!
Skullclamp --> main -- I think because stuff like Varchild, Betrayer of Kjeldor plus having a bunch of stuff that might end up dying this'll draw you a lot of cards. Plus if you play Tempt with Vengeance and Sylvan Offering its bonkers!!
Insurrection --> main -- Its a sweet win condition!!
Varchild, Betrayer of Kjeldor --> main -- in my view this exactly what you want to be doing!
ok wow this comment is getting long so I'm just gonna list the rest of the cards that I think should go in/out:
War's Toll -- in
Sterling Grove -- in
Sphere of Safety - in
Sylvan Offering - in
Enlightened Tutor - in
Harmonize - in
Goblin Spymaster - in
Tahngarth, First Mate - in (this one just seems fun :D totally get it if you decide not to)
Tempt with Vengeance - in
Teferi's Protection - in
Rishkar's Expertise - out
Grand Melee - maybe, for now I decided to just play war's toll but maybe neither are good enough
Whew!! Can't wait to play against this in any shape or form! Hope at least some of these suggestions help!
1 month ago
Hey thanks for sharing the list! I have been starting to think about doing my own version of a hatebear deck and even tested with Aurelia once, but I am still kind of caught between Gerrard, Aurelia, and Akiri Bruse for the really high powered deck that I want to build. Anyway, I have so many questions about which cards are performing and which ones aren't.
So the general question on all of these is how have they been performing? The first 2 I am very excited about and started testing just a few days ago Thalia, Heretic Cathar and Hushbringer. Thalia seems like it should put opponents in slow motion, and I am pretty sure hush bringer is the answer to just about every deck that I lose to.
Next up: How have Aven Mindcensor, Wayfarers bauble, captain lannery storm, combat celebrant, and swift blade vindicator performed? Mind censor always feels like its a turn too slow for me but is reasonable. Lanery storm was underwhelming when I tried it, but that was a few years ago and probably needs a revisit. Combat celebrant has generally had survival problems for me because of the 1 toughness. How is wayfarers been on turn 1 vs on turn 7?
So yeah overall id like to get your thoughts on the deck. Like I said I think Thalia and Hushbringer are going to do some real work as I adopt them more.
1 month ago
Gonna test out a 2x of Aven Mindcensor in the MB to see how that goes. Now that I have recurring Ghost Quarter back in it seems like a really solid choice, and an easy card to SB out which is great for me since I often feel sideboard decision paralysis Game 2.
2 months ago
Thanks for another comment on this deck. I will try and remember to post on your Pioneer Angels deck, just as a token of my appreciation for how much you've helped me with this deck. I also see that you have a Rienne deck (although mine has more multicoloured synergies), great minds think alike ;).
For your card draw suggestions, I think that Keeper of Fables or Colossal Majesty are my best options because Keeper of Fables can draw me lots of cards when I'm in a good situation, and Colossal Majesty can help me when I'm in a worse position, perhaps leaving my guys back to block.
I didn't like Bishop of Wings in my old deck because I felt that he was either a win-more card or did nothing. I am going to try out Gisela, the Broken Blade, but my only concern is Wizard's Lightning, as most of the aggro decks at my LGS have a lot of Wizards, so I'll have to try and figure out how to deal with that. Bruna is definitely in the conversation, but my curve is probably a little bit too high already, so I'll have to figure that out.
I really like Heroic Intervention and Unbreakable Formation, so I'll have to test both. I'm not a big fan of Selfless Spirit because people can just kill it and I'd rather be playing big Angels anyway.
I like Shalai, Voice of Plenty due to her hexproof giving ability (as it stops burn spells and kills spells) and mana sink ability (in case I have nothing to do). You're probably right about Thalia, Heretic Cathar, so I'll take out a Thalia and some other things for some Gisela.
I think that the Heliod, Sun-Crowned investment is worth it, he'll probably add so much to the deck, so I'll cut Nylea for him.
Also, now that I think about it, what are your thoughts on Stasis Snare versus Banishing Light? I think I agree with you now about taking out Cast Out I've rarely flashed it in and only cycled it a few times.
Finally, what are your thoughts on the changes that I've listed below?
Thanks again, your suggestions have really helped both of my Pioneer decks,