Oath of Lieges
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, if that player controls fewer lands than any of his or her opponents, the player may search his or her library for a basic land card and put that card into play. The player then shuffles his or her library.
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Oath of Lieges occurrence in decks from the last year
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All decks: 0.0%
Oath of Lieges Discussion
1 month ago
The most effective card draw pieces happen with a trigger. You see this with cards like Runic Armasaur , Sylvan Library Rhystic Study and Dark Confidant , all powerful cards that see competitive play. We can divide most triggers into periodically (every upkeep/draw step/whatever) or upon event (When you play a type of spell, etc.).
Should you have to invest mana past the initial to draw cards? Any extra mana investment beyond the initial for the permanent significantly lowers the power level. Consider a card like Dawn of Hope . I was excited to brew when I initially saw, but paying for a draw eats up one resource to replenish another (in this case, mana for cards). White isn't particularly known for having explosive mana available, or ramping mana either. I think this option is definitely the weakest route, and the most likely to see printed.
Compare to competitive EDH powerhouse and annoying trigger generator Rhystic Study or Mystic Remora . Instead of costing you, it generates advantage by forcing opponents to spend resources or fall behind in a different type of resource.
If mono white does ever receive a face lift treatment for card draw, I see it being a non-periodical trigger that serves to equalize advantage or negate advantage. What do I mean? Imagine Rhystic Study except it fires off an opponent drawing a card. The opponent either gives you resource parity (they draw a card, you draw a card) or must spend resources ( mana to stop you from drawing a card) to negate the parity. It is also easy for me to imagine an offshoot creature of Runic Armasaur for white that fires off of different triggers. Opponent casts an artifact or enchantment? Draw a card. You have elements similar to a card like Balance without giving white a spell they can recur continuously to blast past their opponent.
Imagine Sandstone Oracle effect as a mono white sorcery. It would function similar to how people have abused the card Windfall throughout MTG history, with the exception that only the mono white player is doing the drawing. Any kind of recursion, fast mana, 0 cost permanents, and cheap utility permanents are going to make the card a headache. Consider its application outside of the mono white context. A Red White storm deck could use it with cards like Fork to draw far more cards than intended if you have mana available to dump instant speed cards between the two refill your hand spells. I think this effect printed at a playable cost (anything around ) would cause more problems than it solves.
How about gaining effective card advantage, say a card like Stitcher's Supplier ? I also imagine this to be a future out for white draw, especially when combined with anything that brings multiple permanents back from the GY. I consider the highly underrated Return to the Ranks to be an example of this. The problem is, flavoring cards going to the GY to suit the white color pie. I'm imagining a card similar to Oath of Lieges but counting cards in GY before milling yourself. Another route would be a permanent that triggers self mill upon life gain, a wholly white effect (and possibly holy too).
2 months ago
there is other ramp in White that does work well outside of Mana Rocks.
Tithe and Oath of Lieges (errata changes Target opponent to any opponent) are two less known White ramp cards giving White 5 Ramp cards outside of artifacts. It's still not enough ramp but it is all good ramp and Oath and Land Tax should play into what your doing more as a mono colored deck. -Yes I know Tithe and Land Tax aren't actually Ramp but they do insure you don't miss land drops and do dip into card draw as more a hybrid of the two.
As to Win Conditions, Storm Herd though high on CMC could be one.
4 months ago
I feel Sigil of the Empty Throne could be pretty decent in this deck. Oath of Lieges may also be a fun addition, if you ever wish to put a group hug element into this deck. I feel that more hoofed creatures should be added, so maybe consider Loyal Unicorn . Ethereal Armor could be of use to you. Hyena Umbra , Eland Umbra and Umbra Mystic are fun additions if you ever decide to go towards a Voltron strategy.
I hope these have helped!
8 months ago
Increasing Devotion is really fun in this deck. Liliana, Dreadhorde General gives me Krav fodder. Living Death is good recursion. Another fun card would be Oath of Lieges . If you want fast tokens and some fun stuff - Parhelion II . I think Reya Dawnbringer could be good in this deck. I do like this a lot - it is not my style but this is clearly well thought out.
If you want to see how I built them, check out my Forbidden Love deck.
8 months ago
Thanks! I was not aware that deathtouch interactions work like that. That definitely adds some interesting removal options. I'm a big fan of Lightning Volley , that sounds awesome.
And more political cards are always welcome. If I understand correctly, you could even deny others the effect of Oath of Lieges by targetting the players themselves, right? That's even better.
Thanks for the suggestions!
8 months ago
fun deck! A couple things come to mind.
I like that humble defector is in here Soldevi Sentry and Wall of Shards are other great political pieces (although wall of shards has shot up in the past couple weeks with all the new snow decks going around, might want to wait to get one) Oath of Lieges is probably my favorite political card. Nobody wants to kill you.
8 months ago
Tunnel Ignus makes effects like Collective Voyage , Ghost Quarter , Field of Ruin , Oath of Lieges , Fall of the Thran , From the Ashes , Settle the Wreckage , Planar Birth , Winds of Abandon symmetrical. Makes your group hug more thug!
9 months ago
Thanks for your comment and upvote. I'll try out Mistveil Plains , but I think that it won't really do anything for me as I want my lands to ETB untapped, as I want to use the most of my mana to cast creatures. I really like Knight of the White Orchid , so that will be going in. I think I already have enough removal, so I don't think that Crib Swap will be going in. I like Tithe , but I'm not going to spend $20 on a card like that, so if I can find one in my dad's old collection, then I'll try to fit it in. I'm not a big fan of giving my opponent lands, as they'll just get even more ahead of me, which is why I won't put in Oath of Lieges . I'll try to find room for Wrath of God .
Thanks for your comment, upvote, and your opinion on which direction I should take this deck. Do you think Helm of the Host is good for this deck, even though it doesn't trigger Oketra with the copy tokens? I can create multiple Oketras, and me casting creatures will get more value. But on the other hand, it requires 2-3 turns for it to work, and the Helm is prone to removal. Also, what do you think about cutting Luminarch Ascension and Coat of Arms for more Anthem effects that are more consistent in giving pumps and Dreamstone Hedron ? What else do you think I should cut?