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Exile target instant or sorcery card from your graveyard and target instant or sorcery from your opponent's graveyard. Copy those cards. Cast the copies if able without paying their mana cost. Exile Spelltwine.
2 months ago
I think Spelltwine doesn't work with your commander, because you are copying the cards and casting them instead of copying the spell. If that's right than Mizzix's Mastery and Arcane Bombardment also wouldn't work, sadly. Maybe they are good enough to keep anyway? Not sure. Cards with the Cipher mechanic are also so close to working but I don't think they do. This is actually kind of hard to brew around! Ugh, God-Eternal Kefnet wouldn't work either, ew.
Immolating Gyre and Volcanic Vision are really good boardwipes in a spells-y deck... as is Cyclonic Rift, which you definitely should still run. In fact, all the overload spells are pretty sweet here, since they only target things you don't control, so if you copy them opponent's can't even pay the 4 life to hit one of your things. Makes Vandalblast and friends possibly worth it.
It will be interesting to see if Lithoform Engine or Pyromancer's Goggles will be good enough here (I like Primal Amulet Flip). Maybe more spells that copy spells are better than these chunkier repeatable ones? Things like Galvanic Iteration or Reiterate if you like the buyback better. Or Increasing Vengeance for the beefier flashback. Hell, if its politics Bonus Round could be really fun. Chef's Kiss is a newer one that I forgot about
Maybe this is the kind of deck where Thrilling Encore shines?
Is Stunning Reversal here to try and copy and save other people with?? Seems like it may not be good enough when you have access to blue for card draw/protection anyway.
I wish, as I always do, that Cloven Casting wasn't soooo bad. Or like, any of the cards with Replicate. Those would be so perfect. Maybe Shattering Spree is good enough but I think it isn't. Ugh, that makes me think about how you're definitely supposed to play storm cards in this deck. Are there any storm cards that aren't miserable? Mind's Desire maybe...
Is Charmbreaker Devils good enough?
Wild Ricochet is an oldie but maybe enough of a goodie here with the copying theme?
Harmonic Prodigy since your commander is a wizard isn't a terrible idea...
Humble Defector might be too cute.
Cruel Ultimatum is the ultimate chunky spell and you're even in the right colors for it!
Also Chaos Warp is still good enough as universal instant speed removal and kind of fun/politics-y as well
2 months ago
Few things to look at:
-Thermo-Alchemist is worth dropping, doesn't actually benefit from Veyran. Consider adding Kessig Flamebreather in its place.
-You have a lot of effects that double spells (Dualcaster Mage, Naru Meha, Master Wizard, Rootha, Mercurial Artist). It is worth considering that copying a spell is not technically casting it so you don't benefit from effects like Guttersnipe off a copied spell.
-Archmage Emeritus. Enough said.
-Lier, Disciple of the Drowned is pretty solid
-You have a lot of expensive/delve spells that might end up being slower or more damaging than expected. Exiling your spells from the yard invalidates cards like Past in Flames and Crackling Drake, which is counterintuitive. Cards like Apex of Power, Clone Legion, and Spelltwine are fun, but better served in a Mizzix of the Izmagnus deck (another card worth considering!)
-Theres a lot of solid enchantments/artifacts that benefit from Veyran. Metallurgic Summonings, Aetherflux Reservoir, Aria of Flame, Sorcerer Class, etc.
5 months ago
I think you should cut: Brutalizer Exarch, Conduit of Ruin, Frost Titan, Giant Adephage, Myr Battlesphere, Oblivion Sower, Pelakka Wurm, Phyrexian Ingester, Rashmi, Eternities Crafter, Rattleclaw Mystic, Sagu Mauler, Simic Sky Swallower, Sphinx Ambassador, Stalking Vengeance, Tornado Elemental, Plasm Capture, Pandemonium, Sunken Hope, Tezzeret the Seeker, Chromatic Lantern, Darksteel Ingot, Disaster Radius, Explosive Vegetation, Heat Shimmer, Rude Awakening, and Spelltwine. As for lands, I do think you should replace: Izzet Boilerworks, Spawning Bed, and Temple of the False God.
I think you should add: Temur Sabertooth, Genesis Ultimatum, Etali, Primal Storm, Skyshroud Claim, Goreclaw, Terror of Qal Sisma, Sakura-Tribe Elder, Chaos Warp, Klauth, Unrivaled Ancient, Terror of the Peaks, Kodama of the East Tree, Reclamation Sage, Kogla, the Titan Ape, Consecrated Sphinx, Selvala, Heart of the Wilds, Wood Elves, Ilharg, the Raze-Boar, Diluvian Primordial, Prime Speaker Zegana, Release to the Wind, Return of the Wildspeaker, Nature's Lore, Three Visits, Garruk's Uprising, Guardian Project, Unnatural Growth, and Arcane Signet.
If you are able to find more slots, I think you should consider: Hullbreaker Horror, Thryx, the Sudden Storm (dependent on count of spells with 5 cmc or more), Soothsaying, Mulldrifter, Beast Whisperer (dependent on final count of creatures), Rishkar's Expertise, Turntimber Symbiosis Flip, See the Unwritten, Balefire Dragon, Scourge of the Throne, Bane of Progress (I feel like you do not have a ton of high value artifacts or enchantments that would cause this to cripple you), Momir Vig, Simic Visionary, and Genesis Storm.
5 months ago
I'd cut: Chancellor of the Spires for Diluvian Primordial. - Diluvian is slightly worse in 1v1 since you can't combo with an opponent's rite of replication, but I've been seeing that less anyway. Acidic Slime Conquering Manticore Mindclaw Shaman - This is really bad in 1v1 imo. Rattleclaw Mystic - I just don't think this is very good. Heat Shimmer just isn't very good imo. Spelltwine - you don't have enough good targets in you deck.
Lord_Grimm on Mizzix
7 months ago
That was fast! Now that we are on v2, I can get a little more detailed.
Cards to cut: Fire Servant - Only works with like 4-5 cards in the deck Desert of the Mindful - It is double the cost of the other 2 cycling lands in the deck Spirebluff Canal - Literally a tap land outside turns 1-3... Jaya's Immolating Inferno - Can only be cast if you have a legendary creature... you have 6 in total Expropriate - This card alone will give this whole build a bad reputation Spelltwine - It is so slow, and weak if there are no good choices in opponents graves Tidings - Honestly, Overflowing Insight would be better, if that is the type of effect you want in this slot Fiery Emancipation - May be good, or 'win more' Sensei's Divining Top - Feels like this is solely to help smooth out your draws
Knowing this deck's success depends on quickly accessing resources, still feels like it may be too slow. If possible adding a few more rocks, and access to proliferate cards like Tezzeret's Gambit to help tick up your counters even if Mizzix is off the board could be subtle steps toward victory. Lastly, 40 lands seems high, and 18 of them are basics. Look over my last comment and try to see if you can slot in some of the other lands I listed. Karn's Bastion seems like an auto-include on this build.
Lord_Grimm on Mizzix
7 months ago
Def feel the vibe of this deck. It did feel as though it needed to be consistently faster though.
Possible cuts:Arch of Orazca, Frostboil Snarl, Desert of the Mindful, Path of Ancestry, Spirebluff Canal, Sensei's Divining Top, Smashing Success, Fire Servant, Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind, Experimental Overload, Spelltwine, Tidings, Ral, Storm Conduit
Possible adds: Fellwar Stone, Fire Diamond, Lotus Petal, Coldsteel Heart, Talisman of Creativity, Jeska's Will, Mana Geyser, Stormcarved Coast, AEtherize, Mizzix's Mastery, Tezzeret's Gambit, Cyclonic Rift, Archmage Emeritus, Electrostatic Field, Zaffai, Thunder Conductor, Snapcaster Mage, Archeomancer, Wandering Archaic Flip, Electrodominance, Narset's Reversal, Chaos Warp, High Tide, Fuel for the Cause, Mindswipe, Steady Progress, Repeated Reverberation, Crackle with Power, Contentious Plan, Banefire, Chain Reaction, Echo of Eons, Primal Amulet Flip, Aetherflux Reservoir, Wayfarer's Bauble, Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, Riptide Laboratory, Karn's Bastion, Castle Vantress, Mystic Sanctuary, Riverglide Pathway Flip
8 months ago
Awesome deck! I really like spellslinger decks, and playing this seems really fun.
However, considering how many instants and sorceries you have and the wheel theme, i'm surprised you don't have any graveyard recursion or synergy.
some cards that you could consider are: Bond of Insight, Call to Mind, Flood of Recollection, Mystic Retrieval, Pull from the Deep, Relearn, Shreds of Sanity, Backdraft Hellkite, Past in Flames, Volcanic Vision and The Mirari Conjecture
some of those exile themselves and since you have so much draw power that might actually be a downside. If i were to cut something for those I would maybe one of those shuffle effects.
mnemonic deluge and diluvian primordial are pretty funny, though kinda expensive. Imagine casting a wheel and then "going shopping" for spells, i highly recommend it. though these exile, so if you loop your deck you can't cast the spell you coped again.
i don't know how often you would be able to kill or do something significant with Spiraling Embers, but i thought it would be a fun inclusion.
here's a few cards for copying instants and sorceries:
Bonus Round, Insidious Will, Reverberate, Thousand-Year Storm, Swarm Intelligence and Twincast. twincast, reverberate and insidious will double as interaction, and you could also consider Narset's Reversal
sorry for the wall of text, just got excited about brewing so i wanted to suggest a bunch of cards. I hope that this at least gave you some ideas.
10 months ago
Jank reasons really are the best reasons! I'm sure it feels really good when it works. :D
Those same two cards wouldn't work with Spelltwine either - again you're casting them both as part of the resolution so they both go on the stack before either resolves. This is in contrast to say Golos' ability which lets you play the cards he exiled at any point later in the turn, so you would cast one and then the other after the first one resolves. The key difference is the flat instruction to "cast the copies" versus "you may cast the copies this turn".
I'm sorry to have taken up your time without contributing literally anything you could use. ^^;
I hope you have fun with the deck, though!