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, : Target legendary creature becomes a God in addition to its other types. Put a +1/+1 counter on it.
, , Sacrifice Tyrite Sanctum: Put an indestructible counter on target God.
2 weeks ago
Karn's Sylex is a good card in general.
3 weeks ago
Hey, for being new to Magic well done upgrading the precon on a budget having a good amount of cards in each area of deck building (lands, ramp, draw, removal).
What makes Vrondiss, Rage of Ancients a scary Commander is when he has indestructible. Then he can take an infinite amount of damage and each instance of damage he takes creates a Dragon.
- Anara, Wolvid Familiar
- Roar of Challenge
- Tamiyo's Safekeeping
- Withstand Death
- You Look Upon the Tarrasque
- Tyrite Sanctum
Anara, Wolvid Familiar is a budget repeatable source of indestructible for Vronn as long as it's your turn. Roar of Challenge and You Look Upon the Tarrasque forces all defending player's creatures to block Vronn who's indestructible. Each creature who blocks does damage to Vronn which is one instance of damage to create a Dragon. This effect creates Dragons equal to the number of creatures who an opponent controls who blocked. Tamiyo's Safekeeping can also protect Vronn from targeted opponent's removal with hexproof.
If Vronn is indestructible then there's a wincon combo here to create infinite Dragons which is infinite damage to each opponent.
When Vronn creates a Dragon then Scourge does damage to an opponent, then Tempest/Outpost/Surge/Ancients does damage to Vronn or vice versa and repeat.
Some budget lands to consider replacing some basic lands:
Good luck with your deck.
1 month ago
Hey, well done so far upgrading the precon on a budget.
Some cards from the precon to consider adding.
Windfall is a powerful draw spell in multiplayer Commander where opponents can have huge hands of cards. Empty your hand of spells quick then Windfall to draw a whole new hand. Ghostly Flicker is one of the better instant blink spells since it can target two permanents not just a creature. Ghostly Prison can be a helpful effect to have in multiplayer Commander.
I don't think many of the Spirit anthem effects are needed. Some anthems are helpful, since Ranar is a Spirit cards that give him other abilities such as hexproof or flash, but cards that only increase power/toughness are subpar. Coat of Arms is the exception, no other little anthem effect can compare to it.
You're best game plan is to create infinite Spirits on an opponent's turn and then attack with them on your next turn. Infinite Spirits don't need an anthem to be a wincon. Infinite attacking Spirits are however shut down by opponent's Ghostly Prison, Propaganda, Windborn Muse, etc. thus it's important to have consistent removal for these cards. Cutting most of the anthems for more repeatable draw could help gameplay. Consider more repeatable draw options when you create a 1/1 Spirit?
Palace Jailer is powerful with blink, it's a unique card that makes you the monarch when it ETB, you draw a card at your end step and it's repeatable as long as you are the monarch. Only one player in the game can be the monarch at one time and it can change players.
If an opponent does combat damage to you or plays a card that makes them the monarch then that opponent becomes the monarch and you lose the monarch. You can get the monarch back by doing combat damage to the opponent who's the monarch. Flying Spirit tokens are fine fodder for blocking and flying makes them good attackers. Use Spirits as defense to keep the monarch for repeatable draw?
Jailer also does something else when it ETB, exiles an opponent's creature and the only way for opponents to get back their exiled creatures is if you lose the monarch. Each time Jailer is blinked you get to exile an opponent creature.
Skyclave Apparition is a Spirit and is another powerful blink target since it exiles any opponent nonland permanent 4 CMC or less which covers a huge amount of targets in multiplayer Commander. It's a good way with the strategy of blink to get rid of Ghostly Prison, Propaganda, Windborn Muse, etc.
Like with all precons the manabase is subpar and it's going to be difficult on a low budget to make many land upgrades, but here's some lands to consider.
Good luck with your deck.
3 months ago
Hi elyria! I appreciate your suggestion but it really confused me because Tyrite Sanctum is in the deck (I agree, it's an auto-include in this deck). It's under the Protection section for giving an indestructibility counter.
3 months ago
I really dig your build! This looks like a lot of fun. I'm curious why you opted to leave out Tyrite Sanctum, it seems like an auto-include for Denry.
4 months ago
I tend to run a higher land count in my 5 colour decks (37-39 feels 'normal', your more competitive mana base would allow you to run less and still fix reliably, but I'd hesitate to go below 34 with a 7 MV Commander). As you're not at the full size for your deck, you have room to throw in some lands, and since opponents sometimes run effects that have 'find a Basic', you might want one of each Basic. Rampant Growth (and Expedition) has to find a Basic Land, so you should either add basics or switch it with Nature's Lore or Wood Elves.
I feel like a few more creatures would help, Birds of Paradise is a good ramp source, Ignoble Hierarch is a slightly worse one, and Tireless Provisioner offers a potentially better Lotus Cobra (you could use both IMHO). Very good if you run enough Fetch lands obviously. If you run both, you probably want all 10 Fetch lands, and might even run Krosan Verge, which is great with Triomes anyways. Really $$, but Urza's Incubator is a strong card in Dragons, even your Commander benefits. Really weird, but I guess Herald's Horn and Descendants' Path are pretty sweet. If you can get your creature count in general high enough, Lurking Predators can bring out multiple dragons per turn cycle, and when it doesn't find a creature you still get to scry. Dragon's Hoard, and Dragonspeaker Shaman are probably solid includes.
You probably want some card draw in here, but if you use Tiamat as your Commander over Ur-Dragon, you probably don't need Rush of Knowledge, but Stinging Study still draws a hand's worth of cards for 5 almost regardless of where your Commander is. Garruk's Uprising would probably fit. Due to having lots of big creatures, Return of the Wildspeaker is probably not bad, and Overwhelming Stampede might be good enough to close games for you.
You probably don't want to run stuff like Land Tax or Gift of Estates with actual Green ramp, if you have access to Green, you usually are better off running Green ramp over Gift of Estates type spells. YMMV!
Counterspell is a risky card to run in a 5 colour deck, it's hard to have UU mana up to cast it. Does it mostly deal with creatures, or protect vs wipes? Swan Song and Arcane Denial are both cards worth a look, the new An Offer You Can't Refuse might be interesting as well. I personally like 1-3 counters in my 5 colour decks, with competitive decks running more, overly Casual ones might run just 1 as a wildcard. Negate is much easier to cast I expect, and thus you're more likely to have the mana up.
If you are interested, Tyrite Sanctum can give Tiamat an Indestructible counter right away since she's already a God. Not sure if you care about keeping her out though!
5 months ago
Oh, look at these new commander cards which I've definently never seen before.
Beamtwon Bullies: Surprised it isn't just an optional at-opponent-upkeep-trigger
Tivit: idk why this so expensive, or why it doesn't draw instead of investigate at that cost. IMO there's not enough voting cards to make this fun. Also, for cards like Tyrant's Choice, if everyone else votes for something else, you'll lose even with the extra vote.
Bess: heh, weenie commander. Kinda wish it worked for 0/1s too. Has the dreaded "one or more" templating, without the redeeming "that many" addage, so you'll have to stagger token creations to make her big efficiently. Note that it's just base p/t, so you're still free to add other anthem effects
Turf War: I like the design a lot, but it's a bit expensive for the hoops you got to jump trough. Obviously the dream is to boop everyone at the same time to ramp yourself by three. Hope you got some pillow fort!
Rain of Riches: Prosper is having a bit of a field day
Mezzio Mugger: a bit too expensive to either hardcast OR Blitz imo
Smuggler's Share: each end step? And not just the opponent who's turn it is? Oh my.
Lethal Scheme: Not too bad, in a mono-black zombie deck you could cast this for free with convoke
In Too Deep: Meh, I like Aura removal for disabling commanders, this just adds another commander tax
Jailbreak: ANY kind of permanent
Aerial Extortionist: more white card advantage, quite cute, if a little expensive for how fragile it is
Grand Cresendo: Alright! Never mind the tokens, finally mono-white gets an anti-wrath Instant for two mana
Excess: I like rewards for go-wide combat, even if you can still just Dockside for similar results
Seize the Spotlight: Aggresively costed red mini-Expropriate, kinda! Quite powerful for late game mehthinks
Cute that escape, extort and cipher all made a cameo here
5 months ago
Deck looks great. One suggestion that I’m playing with in mine currently, that I don’t see on your list, is Tyrite Sanctum. Does fun things especially when you can move the indestructible counter around with The Ozolith should anything happen to the creature it’s on. And it makes easy +1/+1 counters