Lotus Vale
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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Planechase Legal
Premodern Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Lotus Vale

Land

If Lotus Vale would come into play, sacrifice two untapped lands instead. If you do, put Lotus Vale into play. If you don't, put it into its owner's graveyard.

Tap: Add three mana of any one color to your mana pool.

DreadKhan on Fear of The Deep

2 months ago

Here are a few ideas, maybe something will work for you?

One of my favorite cards in Tatyova is Oboro Breezecaller, this can easily be made mana positive, which makes it very easy to go infinite with Retreat to Coralhelm, or to just make mana for you (it helps if you can untap a land that taps for 2, be it Temple of the False God, Guildless Commons, Simic Growth Chamber, or Jungle Basin there are better lands but these untap fine. Another old favorite of mine is Soratami Mirror-Mage, this is also mana neutral at worst (1 mana per land to bounce), and you get to bounce a creature via it. For a bit more money (but you require Islands), you could try Flooded Shoreline, this card is bonkers if you can replay lands/count on hitting 2 Islands. Finally, Tatyova probably shouldn't leave home without Gush, even without Mystic Sanctuary shenanigans it's still a very strong draw spell.

I could be wrong, but I feel like Gretchen Titchwillow is a better card than Zimone? Both are decent fits, but it's very hard to combo off with Zimone in my experience as the lands enter tapped, Gretchen lets you use spare mana to ramp/draw cards at the same time. I think you could easily justify both if you wanted.

At the moment Crop Rotation is pretty cheap, it's a very good card in Tatyova, if you replace a land with a 2 mana land like Temple of the False God you actually ramp yourself (right away with Temple).

Stone-Seeder Hierophant is a really good version of Lotus Cobra if you have lands that tap for more than 1, but it's also another budget Lotus Cobra either way. This card is much better on a higher budget (with stuff like Ashaya, Soul of the Wild especially, or Lotus Field/Lotus Vale), but it should do work here too.

A few more budget fetchlands you could run include Bant Panorama, Terminal Moraine, and Warped Landscape, any of these enters untapped and can find whatever land you want if you have nothing better to do with your resources.

If you've got a lot of lands (and tend to put out some tokens, but not an infinite number), The Great Aurora offers a weird-but-useful board wipe option. As long as you've got a decent board (and run more lands), you'll get enough lands that you aren't hurt very much, spikier decks that are thin on lands get hurt badly, while decks with too many tokens just draw themselves to death.

As Tatyova decks tend to have a fair bit of mana, you might look at Curse of the Swine, and/or Mass Manipulation. Another bigger mana card that can do a huge amount of stuff (almost anything you need really) is Primal Command, I use that and Elixir of Immortality to recycle my graveyard, but I tend to end up in infinite loops pretty easily, so YMMV without strong discard outlets like Mind Over Matter.

If you want a high budget card that has ridiculous synergy, you might take a look at the aforementioned Ashaya, Soul of the Wild, this makes all your creatures into lands, meaning any non-token creature that ETBs will draw you a card, but it also forms various combos. It's hard to find a card that Tatyova wants more in my experience.

It was mentioned already, but 40 lands isn't exactly a ton in Tatyova, you've also got a lot of creatures that benefit from having extra lands in hand. At 40 lands you are at a real risk of missing your 5th land drop, let alone your 6th to draw a card. I run 45, and I often feel like I should run more (keep in mind, at 45 lands you still only 'expect' to have 3.2 lands, so if you have even 1 less than normal you almost certainly have to mulligan, 40 means even more mulligans). In my experience, many ramp spells that normally are worthwhile just aren't in Tatyova when you could just run a land instead (and not have to pay mana for your land drop).

Kashai on I Sphinx You'll Find That's Mine

4 months ago

Treachery is pretty cool and on theme, plus you can do some neat mana tricks with multiple mana producing lands

In the same vein Cloud of Faeries for more mana tricks

For some Scry support Retreat to Coralhelm

And for synergy with both a multi-mana land that also scys, Soldevi Excavations

Some Multi-Mana Lands Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx, Coral Atoll, Lotus Vale, Lotus Field, Ancient Tomb

Icaruskid on Azusa, Lost but Seeking Cthulu [Primer]

4 months ago

Thank you Profet93!

Fierce Empath replaces Time of Need. I like the early blocker and the classic synergy with Woodland Bellower.

Seek the Horizon replaces Kodama's Reach. Three lands per card is better than two.

Gaea's Cradle and Itlimoc, Cradle of the Sun are pretty good here. But this deck goes tall with a few creatures rather than wide as you said about Eldrazi Monument. Even though I have the card and there is no budget technically, I can play this deck in more pods when not running the more competitive card that is not at its best here anyway. Leaving it out for now but mostly because I want to play this deck as often as I can.

I'm keeping Shared Summons in for now as well because I like the cast triggers of Kozilek and Ulamog which are my most tutored Eldrazi. I'll try to find a spot for Tooth and Nail too as it helps with velocity even if I don't get the cast trigger.

Harrow and Springbloom Druid effectively give Azusa extra lands, just from the graveyard. They help with consistency when I don't hit Lotus Vale, Lotus Field, or the fetch lands and help justify Ramunap Excavator, Crucible of Worlds, and Perennial Behemoth. Speaking of, Perennial Behemoth's unearth ability is handy when Eldrazi Monument is out and even when I don't have it on the battlefield there are usually some other fodder like Tireless Tracker, Springbloom Druid, or Ramunap Excavator to buy three or more turns of indestructible flying Eldrazi which make the monument more than just a flavor win. If I cut the monument I would still need some protection from boardwipes in that spot. This is why Planar Bridge is so useful as I can grab Eldrazi Monument or Akroma's Memorial to get damage through. And using Planar Bridge to get Mana Reflection is also a near game winning play too. These cards are imperfect but they are hard to replace with single cards. Like Heroic Intervention or Asceticism or even Wrap in Vigor don't give multiple turns of indestructibility and evasion (flying).

I hear you on Desolation Twin. It does do work after a boardwipe though and I don't want to diminish organic threat density too much. Maybe this is where Tooth and Nail belongs. I'll try it out.

I really appreciate your ideas!!

Tur on Hidden Power - Crop Rotation

5 months ago

TypicalTimmy

Thank you for noticing my intention, that is the key point of this argument!! Newer and casual players tend to disregard or ignore Crop Rotation, because they only see it for very expensive cards such as: Gaea's Cradle, Mishra's Workshop, The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale, Serra's Sanctum, Bazaar of Baghdad, and Diamond Valley. (I.e. sacrifice a Forest and get Gaea's Cradle.)

In fact, I own all of these cards and in only one single case is Gaea's Cradle the first priority for Crop Rotation. Here are a few examples using commander decks: (These do not include utility lands, such as Bojuka Bog, Cavern of Souls, nor Homeward Path.)

Commander: Lord Windgrace

Lotus Field is great for ramping with Lord Windgrace minus three ability. Cabal Coffers is fantastic for ramp. Field of the Dead provides a win condition and blockers.

Commander: Mina and Denn, Wildborn

Because of Fiery Emancipation, Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle became ridiculously overpowered. Nine damage every time a mountain enters the battlefield. Furthermore, the Scapeshift combo causes you to win the game.

Commander: The Gitrog Monster

Dakmor Salvage is the combo engine for The Gitrog Monster. Therefore searching for it, the sacrificing it to The Gitrog Monster is crucial for the deck.

Commander: Gargos, Vicious Watcher

Hall of the Bandit Lord provides haste to the hydra tribal. Reliquary Tower is necessary for cards such as Soul's Majesty and Greater Good. Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx is pretty nice with the triple green devotion from Gargos, Vicious Watcher.

Commander: Carth the Lion

Field of the Dead is way too good in Carth the Lion, because Garruk, Cursed Huntsman emblems immediately with Carth the Lion. Making at least one 5/5 zombie with trample every turn is very strong.

Commander: Maelstrom Wanderer

Sanctum of Eternity allows you to put Maelstrom Wanderer back into your hand, allowing for the on-cast trigger to happen again. High Market not only taps for mana, but allows you to send Maelstrom Wanderer back to the command zone.

Commander: Sythis, Harvest's Hand

Unfortunately, for this deck Serra's Sanctum is the best target for Crop Rotation, however Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx is a close second best target. With Sythis, Harvest's Hand you have to commit heavily to the board, so your devotion is going to be high. Field of the Dead gives blockers before you can stabilize with Sphere of Safety, Solitary Confinement, and Ghostly Prison.

Commander: Marwyn, the Nurturer

Unfortunately, for this deck Gaea's Cradle is the best target for Crop Rotation, however Wirewood Lodge is a close second best target for untapping Marwyn, the Nurturer. In fact, I found myself frequently choosing Wirewood Lodge over Gaea's Cradle because it does not draw as much threat for Strip Mine effects. Wizards of the Coast is frightfully aware of this fact and has made many cards to compensate by using creatures and enchantments: Priest of Titania, Itlimoc, Cradle of the Sun, Elvish Archdruid, and Circle of Dreams Druid.

Hope this helps clarify my stance!

Catpocolypse on The Island Awakened

6 months ago

king-saproling

Prismatic Omen is actually in the decklist in order to get Forest etb triggers from Titania, Nature's Force off of many of the fetch lands I run in the list, getting 2 Forest triggers the same way any other landfall trigger would work.

Field of the Dead is a card that Profet93 and I already and we came to the conclusion that the list doesn't run enough non basic lands, that specifically aren't fetches, to consistently activate Field of the Dead. Even if you slot in half the Forests as Snow-Covered Forests, there are only 10 non fetch land cards with different names; Forest, Snow-Covered Forest, Field of the Dead, Yavimaya Hollow, Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth, Lotus Field, Lotus Vale, Jungle Basin, Dryad Arbor and Boseiju, Who Endures. Leaving a fetchland in play without cracking it is a really painful cost just to have Field of the Dead up and running, and without doing that, I don't know if it is consistent enough to consider running.

Catpocolypse on The Island Awakened

6 months ago

@king-saproling

Perilous Forays: Definitely a card I need to slot in, I'm just wondering what it should be slot in for? There doesn't seem to be an easy answer, I'm wondered what your thoughts on it are.

Concordant Crossroads: Undoubtably a very powerful card, I'm just not sure if haste makes enough of a difference in this deck to justify slotting this in.

Crashing Drawbridge: If I am going to slot in haste, its going to be through Concordant Crossroads

Akroma's Memorial: Definitely an interesting suggestion and a possible card to help close out games. It being removed can be a problem though, and I'm wondering what would be swapped out for it

Null Brooch: Having lands into my graveyard is good, but its very hard to get useful creatures or spell backs from the graveyard and I'm not sure if my entire hand is a good trade for one noncreature spell

Stone-Seeder Hierophant: Definitely synergistic, but it works similar to Lotus Cobra, but slower

Animist's Awakening: A very risky card, its possible to hit almost nothing for a very large mana investment, cutting down on some risks has been a point of upgrading this list.

Kamahl's Druidic Vow: Same reasoning as above, but less likely to miss

Traverse the Outlands: Most of the time, it hits about 5-6, which is a decent 1-1 payoff, but it costs more than cards such as Roiling Regrowth and there are other cards I would rather play with 5 CMC

Boundless Realms: If a game goes long, you will probably have more cards on the field than you can search up with this. It's a powerful card, but it doesn't have the speed that this list runs.

Reshape the Earth: Powerful card, great for finding certain lands like Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth, or Lotus Vale, but it is just too expensive CMC wise.

Pir's Whim: I will find a land card, but not everyone else will have an artifact/enchantment to sacrifice, especially in my pod. Its good, don't get me wrong, but there are more efficient cards imo.

Dryad's Revival: This is simply Timeless Witness, but Witness has a body that cards such as Ashaya, Soul of the Wild can use, or that I can sac to Greater Good, etc

SufferFromEDHD on (More than) once in a blue moon

9 months ago

Welcome to the club

Niko9 on Anybody have a card that …

9 months ago

Awesome topic : )

I think that part of it is the deck that things go in and how they play out, but I've definitely had a few pleasant surprises.

Enter the Unknown in my dino creatures ramp deck is actually so good. It's extra lands that I feed into Lotus Vale and untappers synergy and it also can give card selection, pump creatures, or even dig for a land that you then play. I get the big downside of having ramp that's usually not turn 1, but one mana doing three things is exactly what I want sometimes : )

Half-Elf Monk is super deceptive. I just really liked the card, and thought it was no good, but then I put it in my neo-samurai deck to try it out, and it's always an amazing play. Vigilance with the tap ability is surprising. The monk can attack, block, and tap, and that's a lot for one turn cycle.

And in general, my Willbreaker and explore the dungeons deck turned out way, way stronger than I imagined. I thought to make a jank deck out of running through Dungeon of the Mad Mage or Lost Mine of Phandelver and using the dungeon's target abilities to steal creatures with Willbreaker and well, it's viscous in practice. It sounds so terrible, but it became by far my most evil deck. I have trouble playing it a lot of the time because it can just run over most creature decks. And that's a pretty good problem to have for what I built to be straight jank : )

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