Mass Manipulation
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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pioneer Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Mass Manipulation

Sorcery

Gain control of X target creatures and/or planeswalkers.

Coward_Token on March of the Machine

2 months ago

Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor: Good call, wasn't aware that it was up.

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DreadKhan on The Quackening

2 months ago

I have a Quest for Ula's Temple deck which does some similar things, I liked Dreamscape Artist because it can reshuffle your library as needed, incase you don't have a relevant creature to work with on top. It's technically only 1 mana and a card to Harrow (you get back 2 untapped lands, so it can also helping mana fixing) Blue, and I could be wrong but I think your Commander wants the odd Discard outlet too. A worse (but still potentially useful) piece of Blue ramp is Apprentice Wizard, it's not as good as Dreamscape, it's like Worn Powerstone, which is a good rock if you want bigger ramp to potentially cast a big creature a bit sooner. Thran Dynamo and Gilded Lotus are big ramp rocks with decent ratios. Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth and Cabal Coffers are pretty good together, if you have a lot of devotion to a colour Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx can help, Deserted Temple can untap any land that makes extra mana. Less rampy and more of a big Scry effect, Soothsaying is a neat card if you care about your deck order. Scroll Rack is better but costs more.

Just a general idea, you might throw in things like Reconnaissance Mission, Bident of Thassa, and Coastal Piracy along with some Unblockable or Shadow creatures (Thalakos and Dauthi are the Blue and Black tribes). You can also throw in stuff like Sword of the Animist, Dowsing Dagger  Flip, Prying Blade, Goldvein Pick, Grim Hireling, and any other attack payoffs you can find to generate more value over time. I understand you want a sea-monster theme, but you might want a way to draw some cards/get in some chip damage to soften people up. The only drawback to Shadows is that they can't chump block. If you really want your evasive creatures to be able to chump, there are some small flyers like Spectral Sailor and Thousand-Faced Shadow that have other upsides, these are risk free but are way less evasive than Shadows.

On that note, if you're worried about getting attacked you might look at Propaganda, War Tax, Flood, and Fatespinner are all great ways to make you hard to attack. Mass Diminish, Polymorphist's Jest, Sudden Spoiling, AEtherize, Aetherspouts are all great cards for people to fear.

Callous Oppressor is a funny repeatable theft effect, Ritual of the Machine and Helm of Possession can both steal stuff and are great with tokens, Thieving Skydiver can steal an artifact creature fwiw, Sower of Temptation is a so-so theft effect that shines bright if you can flicker or bounce it, Thalakos Deceiver is probably way better since he permanently steals whatever and can be reanimated, Inevitable Betrayal and Bribery are both pretty sweet.

The biggest (and perhaps best) theft effects are Mass Manipulation and Cultural Exchange, exchange requires bodies but can also be used aggressively to just ruin two players' boards.

Inkwell Leviathan, Lochmere Serpent, Spawning Kraken, Stormtide Leviathan, and Wrexial, the Risen Deep are some relevant creatures I use, some are better than others but there is nothing as bad as Sea Serpent or Bog Serpent, both cards I love but don't use.

If you like Whelming Wave, you might like Spectral Deluge as well.

Hope some of this helps, Big Dimir is a fun deck!

DreadKhan on Fear of The Deep

2 months ago

Here are a few ideas, maybe something will work for you?

One of my favorite cards in Tatyova is Oboro Breezecaller, this can easily be made mana positive, which makes it very easy to go infinite with Retreat to Coralhelm, or to just make mana for you (it helps if you can untap a land that taps for 2, be it Temple of the False God, Guildless Commons, Simic Growth Chamber, or Jungle Basin there are better lands but these untap fine. Another old favorite of mine is Soratami Mirror-Mage, this is also mana neutral at worst (1 mana per land to bounce), and you get to bounce a creature via it. For a bit more money (but you require Islands), you could try Flooded Shoreline, this card is bonkers if you can replay lands/count on hitting 2 Islands. Finally, Tatyova probably shouldn't leave home without Gush, even without Mystic Sanctuary shenanigans it's still a very strong draw spell.

I could be wrong, but I feel like Gretchen Titchwillow is a better card than Zimone? Both are decent fits, but it's very hard to combo off with Zimone in my experience as the lands enter tapped, Gretchen lets you use spare mana to ramp/draw cards at the same time. I think you could easily justify both if you wanted.

At the moment Crop Rotation is pretty cheap, it's a very good card in Tatyova, if you replace a land with a 2 mana land like Temple of the False God you actually ramp yourself (right away with Temple).

Stone-Seeder Hierophant is a really good version of Lotus Cobra if you have lands that tap for more than 1, but it's also another budget Lotus Cobra either way. This card is much better on a higher budget (with stuff like Ashaya, Soul of the Wild especially, or Lotus Field/Lotus Vale), but it should do work here too.

A few more budget fetchlands you could run include Bant Panorama, Terminal Moraine, and Warped Landscape, any of these enters untapped and can find whatever land you want if you have nothing better to do with your resources.

If you've got a lot of lands (and tend to put out some tokens, but not an infinite number), The Great Aurora offers a weird-but-useful board wipe option. As long as you've got a decent board (and run more lands), you'll get enough lands that you aren't hurt very much, spikier decks that are thin on lands get hurt badly, while decks with too many tokens just draw themselves to death.

As Tatyova decks tend to have a fair bit of mana, you might look at Curse of the Swine, and/or Mass Manipulation. Another bigger mana card that can do a huge amount of stuff (almost anything you need really) is Primal Command, I use that and Elixir of Immortality to recycle my graveyard, but I tend to end up in infinite loops pretty easily, so YMMV without strong discard outlets like Mind Over Matter.

If you want a high budget card that has ridiculous synergy, you might take a look at the aforementioned Ashaya, Soul of the Wild, this makes all your creatures into lands, meaning any non-token creature that ETBs will draw you a card, but it also forms various combos. It's hard to find a card that Tatyova wants more in my experience.

It was mentioned already, but 40 lands isn't exactly a ton in Tatyova, you've also got a lot of creatures that benefit from having extra lands in hand. At 40 lands you are at a real risk of missing your 5th land drop, let alone your 6th to draw a card. I run 45, and I often feel like I should run more (keep in mind, at 45 lands you still only 'expect' to have 3.2 lands, so if you have even 1 less than normal you almost certainly have to mulligan, 40 means even more mulligans). In my experience, many ramp spells that normally are worthwhile just aren't in Tatyova when you could just run a land instead (and not have to pay mana for your land drop).

Necramus on Baral, Chief of No

4 months ago

Sea Gate Restoration  Flip - this can double as either a land or a phat ass draw spell, depending on how you want to use it, and options are always good!

Finale of Revelation - again, can be a phat spell or a more modest one, depending on what you need. You have several ways to discount spells, though, and so you can kinda cheat your way towards the high end of this spell.

Sapphire Medallion - don't need to explain this one.

Solve the Equation - excellent tutor for this deck and a budget option to Mystical Tutor, though, I'd suggest both.

Consuming Tide and Cyclonic Rift are both mono blue pseudo wipes that you'll probably want to help keep the battle field in your favor.

Rhystic Study - don't need to explain this one.

Mystic Sanctuary and Otawara, Soaring City are both free for you to play and are better than basics when you have so many.

As for additional counterspells I'd suggest Mana Leak, Tale's End, Force of Will, and Delay.

Since you're on the discount game, I'd also suggest Bribery and Mass Manipulation too!

And one last piece of removal: Imprisoned in the Moon

Hope this helps! I like that your curve is almost down to 3. Your deck building skills are getting keener!

AThiccNacho on Dat Hydra

1 year ago

Simic Ascendancy for an alternate wincon for sure.

May want to consider Herald of Secret Streams since it makes your creatures unblockable.

Kodama of the West Tree is also pretty sick since it gives most of your stuff trample and some nice ramp if you can hit face.

I also had thought about using Mass Manipulation in my Zaxara deck, but i'm not entirely sure how well it works given it's cost. Unless you have Nyxbloom Ancient out, I find it hard to find a spot for it honestly.

I also found Braingeyser to be a nice fit as well. Gives you the option of draw OR forcing your opponent to lose the game going infinite. Sorcery and not instant or repeatable like BSZ, but I think it's a hell of a good card.

Overall solid deck!

Jack32226 on Rot and Ruin (Muldrotha EDH)

1 year ago

Thanks for commenting, Lord_of_Cardboard!

This deck would do exceptionally well against a Kroxa, Titan of Death's Hunger deck. This is for the same reason that cards like Jace's Archivist do so well in the deck: if you have have Muldrotha on the battlefield, any cards you discard might as well still be in your hand cause you can simply replay them from your graveyard. If anything, an opposing Kroxa player is almost helping you by disrupting your other opponents' hands.

As for a budget version of the deck, here's some advice on budget options and replacements. Just note that this is advice specific to my Muldrotha deck, i.e., advice for the big mana and big X-spell strategy. If you'd rather play a more typical creature-based, swing-to-kill type deck, there may be better Muldrotha lists to look at.

The mana base makes up a large portion of the deck's budget, and I would leave that mostly up to your own discretion. Just keep in mind that fetch lands like Evolving Wilds and slow fetches like Bad River are good for being replayed every turn with Muldrotha. Also, for a budget version of the deck, it's important to run more basics than I do since you'll probably need to fetch more with your ramp. Cycle lands like Lonely Sandbar, Tranquil Thicket, and Barren Moor are fantastic, especially with Life from the Loam. Some other good options:

Which brings me to another point: if I had to pick one somewhat expensive card that's worth putting in a budget Muldrotha deck, it's this one. It's a one-card value engine, giving you card draw, mill, and lands. And depending on what utility lands you choose to run, it can do a whole lot more. And if you're worried about Kroxa in your meta, Life from the Loam is a great counter to it, allowing you to fill your hand with lands to discard.

Now to address key cards for the deck's "big mana" strategy. Important cards for generating a lot of mana include Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, Cabal Coffers, Dryad of the Ilysian Grove, Crypt Ghast, and Nyxbloom Ancient. You could just replace these cards with normal ramp; casting X-spells for X=10 is still good and easy to accomplish without these cards. If that's unsatisfying for you, you could consider options like Zendikar Resurgent and Mana Reflection. Unfortunately there aren't many great cheap options for producing a lot of mana. This is an important part of the deck though, so it's up to you if it's worth spending some extra money on it.

To avoid this comment being any more lengthy than it already is, here's an extensive list of some budget alternatives for the deck. The great thing about Muldrotha is that being able to replay removal makes a lot of sub-par removal actually pretty good, so it's pretty budget friendly.

Win-Conditions: What's in the deck isn't too expensive, but here's some cheaper options.

Removal:

Draw / Mill:

Tutors:

Ramp:

Control and other good stuff:

If you have any other questions about budget options, let me know. I'm always happy to help!

DawnsRayofLight on Target Acquired

1 year ago

One, maybe it would be funny to call the list Hinata-Kun XD

Control

Render Silent, Counterflux, Disallow for a bit more counter magic

Hullbreaker Horror: I have been really loving this card lately, it is expensive (CMC) but helps to keep control of the board

Opposition: works with Willbreaker and other cards I will suggest

Reality Shift, Fateful Absence, Generous Gift : spot removal

Malevolent Hermit  Flip: counterspell and protection

Teferi, Time Raveler, Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir, and Grand Abolisher protect your shennaigans

Drannith Magistrate: stop you oppnenets from casting their commanders

You could run Orbs with Urza and Opposition

Baral's Expertise

Supreme Verdict, Winds of Abandon, Wrath of God: Wipes

Blinkers

Brago, King Eternal

Deadeye Navigator

Eldrazi Displacer

Thassa, Deep-Dwelling: slow, but consistent

Blink Targets

Skyclave Apparition

Venser, Shaper Savant

Dockside Extortionist

Spellseeker: search your X spells

Cyberdrive Awakener: if you want to win off your rocks and treasure tokens

Draw

Whirlwind of Thought

Esper Sentinel

Sea Gate Restoration  Flip: may as well if you're playing blue

Shorikai, Genesis Engine: fun card, can be a win con between being an 8/8 beater and some combos involving Intruder Alarm

X spells

Distorting Wake

Mass Manipulation

Disorder in the Court: this can help for draw, protection, and "Blinking"

Smoke Spirits' Aid: I don't know if it fits, but could be spicy

Comet Storm

Call the Coppercoats

Combos

Deadeye Navigator/Eldrazi Displacer + Peregrine Drake = Infinite mana

Elsha, the Infinite/The Reality Chip + Sensei's Divining Top + Thassa's Oracle/AetherFlux

Hullbreaker Horror + Mana Crypt, Sol Ring, Mana Vault: Infinite bounce only need 2 rocks

Dockside Extortionist + Deadeye Navigator: can generate infinite mana

Grand Architect + Pili-Pala: Infinite color mana, only need a Blue to initiate, I would have at least 2 infinite mana combos with all the X spells

Synod Artificer (I wish Hinata worked for abilities + Swift Reconfiguration + Gilded Lotus = infinite mana

win cons (Outside of combos)

Metallurgic Summonings: you make big tokens and gives recursion.

Guttersnipe: ouch

Monastery Mentor: tokens

Shark Typhoon: tokens

Jin-Gitaxias, Progress Tyrant is made for this list

Urza, Lord High Artificer: can make use of a lot of artifact tokens that can be created in this list and can be an outlet for infinite mana to cast your deck

Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite: probably good if you run a lot of token producing cards like Saheeli, Sublime Artificer, Monastery Mentor, Shark Typhoon, Metallurgic Summonings, Manaform Hellkite, Talrand, Sky Summoner, Kykar, Wind's Fury

Other

Primal Amulet  Flip

Kykar, Wind's Fury

Lanzo493 on Paths of Pain Commander

1 year ago

When I think of Nagato, the card that comes to mind is K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth since he uses his life as a means for power. Reminds me of Nagato and how messed up his body ends up being. But being mono black wouldn't let you represent his other abilities effectively. I would use Jodah, Archmage Eternal since he has that "I can do anything" feel that Nagato has with all of his insane abilities.

As far as the attractive and repulsive forcers are concerned, I think of Kira, Great Glass-Spinner, Erayo, Soratami Ascendant  Flip Mass Manipulation, Perplexing Chimera, etc.

The summoning Pain can be represented by Tooth and Nail, Genesis Wave, and the like.

Absorbing chakra sounds like Mana Drain, Draining Whelk, Plasm Capture, and Spell Swindle.

Mind's Dilation could work for reading a person's mind. There's also Sen Triplets.

Living Death, Necromantic Selection, Ruinous Ultimatum, Eerie Ultimatum, and many other cards can represent his control over life and death.

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