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Creature — Moonfolk Wizard
(2), Return a land you control to its owner's hand: Untap target land.
6 months ago
DreadKhan I too am a big fan of Oboro Breezecaller. Deserted Temple on a stick is extremely useful. I noticed in your detailed analysis you did not mention Floodbringer. Are you not a fan of Rishadan Port on a stick? Both offer serious utility in opposite directions.
6 months ago
Here are a few ideas, maybe something will work for you?
One of my favorite cards in Tatyova is Oboro Breezecaller, this can easily be made mana positive, which makes it very easy to go infinite with Retreat to Coralhelm, or to just make mana for you (it helps if you can untap a land that taps for 2, be it Temple of the False God, Guildless Commons, Simic Growth Chamber, or Jungle Basin there are better lands but these untap fine. Another old favorite of mine is Soratami Mirror-Mage, this is also mana neutral at worst (1 mana per land to bounce), and you get to bounce a creature via it. For a bit more money (but you require Islands), you could try Flooded Shoreline, this card is bonkers if you can replay lands/count on hitting 2 Islands. Finally, Tatyova probably shouldn't leave home without Gush, even without Mystic Sanctuary shenanigans it's still a very strong draw spell.
I could be wrong, but I feel like Gretchen Titchwillow is a better card than Zimone? Both are decent fits, but it's very hard to combo off with Zimone in my experience as the lands enter tapped, Gretchen lets you use spare mana to ramp/draw cards at the same time. I think you could easily justify both if you wanted.
At the moment Crop Rotation is pretty cheap, it's a very good card in Tatyova, if you replace a land with a 2 mana land like Temple of the False God you actually ramp yourself (right away with Temple).
Stone-Seeder Hierophant is a really good version of Lotus Cobra if you have lands that tap for more than 1, but it's also another budget Lotus Cobra either way. This card is much better on a higher budget (with stuff like Ashaya, Soul of the Wild especially, or Lotus Field/Lotus Vale), but it should do work here too.
A few more budget fetchlands you could run include Bant Panorama, Terminal Moraine, and Warped Landscape, any of these enters untapped and can find whatever land you want if you have nothing better to do with your resources.
If you've got a lot of lands (and tend to put out some tokens, but not an infinite number), The Great Aurora offers a weird-but-useful board wipe option. As long as you've got a decent board (and run more lands), you'll get enough lands that you aren't hurt very much, spikier decks that are thin on lands get hurt badly, while decks with too many tokens just draw themselves to death.
As Tatyova decks tend to have a fair bit of mana, you might look at Curse of the Swine, and/or Mass Manipulation. Another bigger mana card that can do a huge amount of stuff (almost anything you need really) is Primal Command, I use that and Elixir of Immortality to recycle my graveyard, but I tend to end up in infinite loops pretty easily, so YMMV without strong discard outlets like Mind Over Matter.
If you want a high budget card that has ridiculous synergy, you might take a look at the aforementioned Ashaya, Soul of the Wild, this makes all your creatures into lands, meaning any non-token creature that ETBs will draw you a card, but it also forms various combos. It's hard to find a card that Tatyova wants more in my experience.
It was mentioned already, but 40 lands isn't exactly a ton in Tatyova, you've also got a lot of creatures that benefit from having extra lands in hand. At 40 lands you are at a real risk of missing your 5th land drop, let alone your 6th to draw a card. I run 45, and I often feel like I should run more (keep in mind, at 45 lands you still only 'expect' to have 3.2 lands, so if you have even 1 less than normal you almost certainly have to mulligan, 40 means even more mulligans). In my experience, many ramp spells that normally are worthwhile just aren't in Tatyova when you could just run a land instead (and not have to pay mana for your land drop).
1 year ago
I could be wrong, but I think more lands would be an asset here, in particular how about some utility lands on top of what you've already got? War Room is a nice draw effect, if you can bounce and replay it you get access to extra activations. Bant Panorama can find either a Forest or Island and counts for extra landfall. Blighted Woodland and Myriad Landscape are nifty lands that offer another mana sink you can turn to if your Commander is removed. Castle Vantress is a pretty big mana sink that's never bad to have around, and you're likely to have Islands out.
Tatyova, Benthic Druid nets you extra draw when you hit landfall (as does Aesi, Tyrant of Gyre Strait), stuff like Scute Swarm and Rampaging Baloths can make an army for you to help serve as a win con.
This is pretty out there, but stuff like Oboro Breezecaller and ramp on landfall creatures like Stone-Seeder Hierophant in particular can generate enough mana to go infinite with Gretchen if you have a land that taps for 2 or more out, infinite mana and card draw and ramp sounds really good to me, you might even deck yourself. Flooded Shoreline in particular seems like a nice land bounce effect, as long as you're not particular about the specific land you bounce, it even works with Mystic Sanctuary.
1 year ago
Have you thought about tossing Harrow in? It's usually better Roiling Regrowth, as long as nobody counters your ramp spells. Stone-Seeder Hierophant has to tap to ramp you, but if you can hit multiple landfall per turn it can be a lot of mana.
This is pretty out there, but Simic Growth Chamber and Guildless Commons are interesting cards, they offer access to an extra land drop as a floor, but technically you can bounce the land itself and replay it if you've got ways to do it, like Skyshroud Ranger for example (there are others, not all low budget, but several are), it can let you hit potentially infinite land drops using a card like Retreat to Coralhelm, which is pretty powerful in Tatyova. Retreat also interacts positively with Tatyova and Dreamscape Artist, which is pretty budget and is a source of tons of landfall over time even without Retreat. Oboro Breezecaller is a nifty way to keep hitting land drops, even if you're not really gaining ground you still draw cards. She can ramp you nicely if you have lands that tap for more than 1 mana, which can be via the Growth Chamber, Commons, or via an aura like Wild Growth or Overgrowth or Fertile Ground, and they are some of the more efficient ramp as long as people don't run enchantment hate/wipes, you can enchant an untapped land often and gain that ramp the same turn, which is usually better/safer than a ramp rock. I also like Soratami Mirror-Mage and Meloku the Clouded Mirror, all three can readily go infinite with Retreat to Coralhelm and a creature that taps to put a land into play, and all 3 make it very easy to hit your potential land drops. Not really sure why, but while everyone agrees Thrasios is amazing, very few people seem to care about Parcelbeast, but it's a good card in Tatyova. If you have Retreat out obviously you can untap when you hit a land, and if you have extra landfall available, you can use a separate landfall to untap the Parcelbeast so you can keep trying for another land, but it's not like 1 mana and tapping your Parcelbeast is a big ask. Also, if you can manage to put a Parcelbeast (or any other Mutate creature, including something like Sea-Dasher Octopus could be decent, there are some huge bodies) onto a Scute Swarm, you'll clone the mutated creature, which can be a 7/7 potentially. Most Mutate creatures seem to just give you a buff when they mutate, but some offer useful abilities that you'd like cloned. This will weird people out, but it's a nice play in budget I suspect.
A bit random, but Tatyova decks should usually be running the card Gush, you might not even mind bouncing the lands, the card draw is a nice perk, with the cost being the main upside of the card. It interacts nicely with Mystic Sanctuary and the aforementioned land-into-play dorks and Retreat to Coralhelm to draw as much as you want, and have other landfall benefits. Even if all you do is draw 2 cards and hit 2 more land drops you would have missed, that's a huge payoff for literally no mana IMHO.
I like having Primal Command in budget Green decks, it's a lot of mana but it can do a lot of stuff technically. If you throw in anything that can recur it, you can keep reshuffling your graveyard back in, which can be useful. Curse of the Swine is a nice juicy removal spell for Simic, it not only exiles, it can hit tons of targets, allowing you to compete with recursive decks more readily.
Cool deck, hope some of this is interesting/helpful!
2 years ago
A friend in my playgroup used to play land bounce decks with a lot of Moonfolk
I think these would also be great for you:
2 years ago
Stone-Seeder Hierophant seems like it'd do work here.
You might like these too: Oboro Breezecaller (essentially a second meloku, minus the tokens), Skyshroud Ranger, Chakram Retriever, Animist's Awakening, Kamahl's Druidic Vow, Genesis Wave, Pir's Whim, Hour of Promise, Reap and Sow, Sylvan Scrying, Squandered Resources, World Shaper, Elvish Rejuvenator, Words of Wind, Honor-Worn Shaku
3 years ago
Hi, I just recently brewed up a Tatyova list that is aiming to be competitive and I wanted to ask about a few of your choices. I acknowledge that you have likely tested and played this deck more often but I am mostly curious about some of your card choices and the direction that you took this list. You can find my deck here: ~PDH~ When Lands Came to Value Town (Tatyova)
Why do you include so much card draw? I actually run zero spells or otherwise that draw me cards other than lands through Tatyova. When I first was putting the list together I had a bunch in the form of Ponder, Gush, and so on but ended up cutting them for other cards.
Some of your Land fetchings spells just seem bad. I don't mean to offend but cards like Nature's Lore, Search for Tomorrow, Shoreline Ranger, Spoils of Victory, Farseek, Kodama's Reach and Rampant Growth just don't seem worth it to me. Instead of some of these fetch spells, I run 40 lands. I was also surprised that you are not running Dreamscape Artist (Springbloom Druid just seems like a worse version). It's like a repeatable Harrow and gets you two Tatyova triggers. I would argue that that card is one of the most powerful cards in my deck behind Tatyova ofc and Mystic Sanctuary.
I decided to include more utility lands such as Bojuka Bog, Khalni Garden, and Sejiri Steppe. This decision on my part to include these was in spite of some of them not being in Green Blue but I though their value outweighs that downside. Bojuka Bog for example is better than Relic of Progenitus in this deck because you can flash it in with a creature like Walking Atlas and exile a target players bin and draw a card like relic. The thing is though that Bog is repeatable through your creatures that bounce your lands. Sejiri Steppe is similar in the way that its repeatable protection for Tatyova or another important creature.
I noticed you only ran 1 land bouncing creature. In my deck, these guys power much of the value. With them and Halimar Depths I can basically ponder each turn at least once, it allows me to repeat the ETB effects that I mentioned above, and It also allows me to get a land drop in if I missed one for some reason. Floodbringer, Oboro Breezecaller, Soratami Rainshaper are the ones I run in addition.
Now a few suggestions I have: Whispersilk Cloak, Power Sink, Universal Solvent, Vines of Vastwood, Scaretiller, Explorer's Scope (This works well in conjunction with Adventuring Gear and Aqueous Form), Seat of the Synod and Tree of Tales can be tutored with Trinket Mage, Library of Leng, Stone-Seeder Hierophant/Krosan Restorer, Spidersilk Armor (So the majority of your board doesn't die to Shrivel, Electrickery or something like that and harder for Pestilence and Crypt Rats.) Also Snap can ramp you is you have a land that taps for two and same with Frantic Search if you do want to play cantrips. Another win-con that will win you the game as soon as you combo off is Sage's Row Denizen that is assuming that you are not using Mystic Sanctuary.
Thank you for hearing me out. I am sure that there is a good reason for many of the cards I just questioned and I am excited to hear them to understand your deck better. If you have questions about my choices and reasoning I would be more than happy to explain further. I am trying to make the best Tatyova deck that I can and just wanted to know why a list with a similar end goal is running certain cards that I cut out.
Lastly, I just wanted to say that after looking through your list I am considering running: Lull and Moment's Peace because sometimes this deck has a problem stabilizing early because my playgroup sees my deck as a very large threat. Merchant Scroll, I don't know why I was not running it. Mystic Remora and Rhystic Study are just too good to pass up and I probably should have been running them. I have just one problem and that would be cutting cards. I would apreciate it if you could take a look at my list and tell me what you think.
3 years ago
Really cool deck! Here to suggest a few combos for anyone who doesn't know them already: -Unless i'm missing something, Oboro Breezecaller + Lotus Field + Patron of the Moon + any two lands , gives infinite mana and landfall. - Gush + Mystic Sanctuary + Amulet of Vigor gives infinite mana and infinite draw, and even without amulet of vigor you can draw two cards for one mana. - Mystic Sanctuary + Trade Routes + Twiddle + mana rock producing 3+ mana gives infinite landfall, and mana if the manarock produces 4+ mana (plus it's moon themed)