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Sigil of Sleep
Enchantment — Aura
Whenever enchanted creature deals damage to a player, return target creature that player controls to its owner's hand.
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Sigil of Sleep Discussion
6 days ago
I would recommend cutting Font of Mythos, Howling Mine, and Dictate of Kruphix. In my experience, these cards are more of a detriment to a boon. The additional damage they provide is negligible, and you are giving each opponent an opportunity to draw their answer to Nekusar, increasing the odds one of them will be able to foil your plan.
In their place, consider some of the following:
Lightning Greaves - easy protection for Nekusar.
Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind - solid card in Nekusar.
Curiosity - goes near-infinite with Niv-Mizzet and is a solid option on Nekusar.
Likewise, Helm of the Ghastlord goes near-infinite with Niv-Mizzet, and forces your opponents to discard the cards they gain when enchanted on Nekusar.
Phyresis ends games with Neksuar, but you might draw the ire of your playgroup for using infect. I'd be weary of using this lest no one wants to play against you.
2 weeks ago
I would recommend cutting Temple Bell, Master of the Feast, Dictate of Kruphix, Howling Mine, Kami of the Crescent Moon, and Jace Beleren. On paper, these cards seem to work well in a Nekusar deck--after all, more card draw means more damage. In reality, I have found this not to be the case. Cards are the most important resource in MTG, and paying a few life for extra cards is generally a pretty good deal (which is why Necropotence is on Vintage's restricted list). The problem gets even worse in multiplayer--after all, you're drawing one extra card, and thus have one chance to receive something you need, while your opponents collectively draw three cards, increasing the chances one might receive their answer to your strategy.
Focusing on explosive plays with wheels tends to be the best bet. Here are some cards to consider adding:
Helm of the Ghastlord produces redundancy for the Niv-Mizzet combo. When enchanting Nekusar, your opponents are forced to discard the cards they do manage to draw.
Sigil of Sleep turns wheel effects into mass bounce spells, helping provide protection.
Phyresis ends games, but infect is generally seen as a highly toxic mechanic. I would be weary of running this, as it could make individuals not want to play against you.
Imprisoned in the Moon and Deep Freeze provide solid removal without causing a change in game-zone. As such, you can use them to remove a commander without it being returned to the command zone, ensuring it sits uselessly on the battlefield for as long as it is enchanted.
1 month ago
Full disclosure, I don't have a Vorosh deck, but I've been theory crafting and looking into it. Hakim is one of my main decks. Please factor this accordingly.
In the case of Vorosh, I think people underestimate that color combination substantially. It has access to cards like Vanishing or Diplomatic Immunity allowing it to dodge and preserve counters, as well as counterspells and tutors. Black and blue have a ton of ways to make creatures unblockable, as well as ways to deal with threats. I would by no means call a Vorosh deck fast. But with ramp and a good set of answers I wouldn't call it tier 5 either. After it lands an attack once, it can drop any player within 2 turns via unblockable commander. And again, it's color combo lends itself well to biding its time and riding out threats. Not to mention a late Beacon of Tomorrows or Time Stretch is a guaranteed kill if cast at the right time.
Hakim is definitely one I personally use so pls no bully. But the ability to recur enchantments without having to expose yourself by attacking means you can make a resilient one man control platform. All the pieces it needs to come online and become a threat are recurrable. Enchants due to his ability, and equipment due to being able to be fetched from the graveyard by blue. Charisma, Psionic Gift, Neko-Te, Vanishing, Grafted Exoskeleton, Pemmin's Aura, Quietus Spike, Drake Umbra and other totems, Freed from the Real, Eldrazi Conscription, Illusionist's Bracers, Hermetic Study, Diplomatic Immunity, Sword of Kaldra, Corrupted Conscience, Blight Sickle, Sigil of Sleep, Oracle's Insight. The overlapping cards fulfilling the same role combined with the fact you can comfortably dump to graveyard(by overdrawing or other effects) means you can quickly dig for what you need. It's somewhat mana greedy but once it spools up its very hard to deal with. You've gotta get past counterspells, phasing out to dodge, recurring umbras, and hexproof. Usually multiple of those are online by like turn 7 or 8. And once it is online you can start trading mana 1 for 1 to get devastating effects. 1 blue mana can get you: destroy or exile target creature, put a poison counter on target player, "permanently" tap target creature, gain control of target creature, half target player's life, draw a card, etc. And if bumped up with helm of the gods or enchant stacking buffs all of this can be done while going full aggro on someone to proc annihilator or punch their face for damage. Finally, he can use recurring mass sacrifice effects to wear down enemies. Smokestack presents a somewhat mana inefficient option lategame to limit enemy's board state. For example, if you have a pemmin's aura, psionic gift, Diplomatic immunity combo online, you can run a smokestack at 3 charges indefinitely. Sacrifice the 3 Enchants during your upkeep, then pay 6 blue to rebuild them leaving the rest open for counterspells. Enemies are losing 3 permanents a turn while you keep enough mana open to counterspell or ping as needed. If brought online lategame after a board wipe your enemies will be completely unable to rebuild while you can continue building up your combo pieces.
In the case of both of these decks, they lend themselves to a decently strong voltron option. But they also both have access to some of the best ways to keep a creature alive through board wipes and preserve their bonuses they've been accruing.
With Vorosh, in theory a bit of biding your time combined with an Unblockable enchant(of which blue has tons) can build up to a time walk effect wherein you kill a player before they can even react. With Hakim, he turns into a controltron that is highly resistant to most answers against voltron decks, while also being able to rebuild extremely fast unless someone can punch through those multiple lines of defense AND wipe the graveyard out quickly.
Keep in mind, I HAVE NOT USED VOROSH, but I do play decks that operate in a similar manner. In theory Vorosh has a great deal of potential as a lategame sweeper with low time to kill aided by time walk effects.
I DO HAVE A HAKIM DECK AND AM THEREFORE BIASED. But hakim is(after some costly spool up) an absurdly efficient controltron commander. He can singlehandedly kill multiple players in a single turn via poison counters and Illusionist's bracers. Or permanently detain an entire board. And the fact all of these are instant speed means he can save his effects til end of turn on his enemy's turn leaving mana open to counterspell threats he can't deal with.
1 month ago
Yeesh, I've gotten behind on answering comments here!
jakethewhale007: Honestly, Raven Guild Master is there to mess with combo decks. I keep hitting people and exiling Food Chains :3 It is one of the weaker cards here, but people's reactions are too amusing for me to stop playing it.
ohmless: Sigil of Sleep is honestly amazing here, and Ovalchase Dragster is an unblockable 6 damage per turn. They've both proved to be pretty astonishing in this list. Imprisoned in the Moon does seem like a good addition, however.
alucardvanguard: I'm not confident in my ability to connect with Dowsing Dagger Flip (given that it boosts their power AND toughness). Citanul Flute is actually pretty good, since I can sink mana into it in the late game if it turns out I didn't need to use a counterspell, and it always gets me the creature I need.
gdm1989: I'm afraid it can't be used :( its color identity is black.
1 month ago
Here's some advice based on my own experiences with Nekusar:
I don't like Howling Mine, Temple Bell, and other cards of this ilk. They seem like they should work, but, in my experience, they are more harmful than helpful. Cards like Howling Mine increase the chances of opponents drawing their answer to Nekusar, and then do not help you win once he has been removed. Instead of focusing on slow, passive draws causing victories, your focus should be on explosive plays removing as many players as possible.
Teferi's Puzzle Box is an absurdly powerful card with Nekusar--free wheel every single draw step!
Library of Leng negates some of the ill effects of wheels, allowing you to discard what you don't want, and keep what you do. You can engineer some powerful hands this way.
Forced Fruition turns their every spell into a death sentence.
Curiosity and Helm of the Ghastlord give you tremendous card draw. Both also go near-infinite with Niv-Mizzet, providing a strong alternate win condition. Ghastlord combos well with Nekusar, since they are forced to discard every card they draw.
Sigil of Sleep turns your wheel effects into mass bounce spells, tearing apart opponent offences.
Phyresis wins games quickly. Combined with a wheel, and you can end the game on the spot.
Imprisoned in the Moon and Deep Freeze can remove an enemy commander without forcing a zone change. As such, they're forced to just sit there on the battlefield in their transformed state, never being given the option of returning to the command zone.
Hope some of that helps!
1 month ago
I apologize for the long post below: It is not modified for standard play. Please disregard if you are playing standard only.
The best deck to counter aura hexproof (what your friend has) is generally black/green sacrifice decks. See: Grave Pact, Butcher of Malakir, , Chainer's Edict <- (Pricy), Spore Frog, or Fleshbag Marauder. Or -1/-1 effects aka Archfiend of Ifnir, combined with enablers like Lotleth Troll or Putrid Imp.
That, or a deck that has a lot of sweeper spells - Cyclonic Rift (pricy), Terminus, Living Death. Think of sweeper spells as cards that immediately level the playing field. If you're losing, just play a sweep. Instant board reset and everybody is on even playing grounds. Cheaper Alternatives: Hallowed Burial, Devastation Tide, Coastal Breach, Evacuation; just make sure it only targets creatures (not like Wash Out) because you don't want the auras returning to hand. You want to get rid of the creatures and have the auras fall off.
I don't quite agree with Atrox's approach because I know most hexproof decks run Umbra auras (Hyena Umbra), and will easily have more than 3 toughness.
Personally, TO COMPLETELY REDESIGN YOUR DECK, I would use no creatures and only spells or maybe with creatures with nice ETB (enter the battlefield) effects (Archaeomancer. This way, the sweepers don't affect you very much and will only remove your opponents' creatures. Red will be reserved for dealing damage, and blue will be reserved solely for sweeper spells & drawing cards.
Current problems with your deck:
1) It's slow. You're going to have to have multiple pingers which all take about 3 turns+ summoning sickness to start becoming active. Izzet decks are supposed to be fast & maintain control from the beginning of the game.
2) The synergy is a little too far apart - you want to have creatures pinging damage, you want to counter spells, you want creatures to get buff; there's only so much you can do with 7 cards in your hand.
3) No card draw - you'll run out of steam very very fast. Blue excels in card draw - you should make use of it!
Try to find out what your style is, then start asking for tips to point you in the right direction.
Let me know if you have questions :) (I play an aura deck)
1 month ago
Here's a couple suggestions based upon my own experiences with Nekusar:
Howling Mine, Font of Mythos, and other draw cards seem like they should be strong with Nekusar--in my experience, they fall flat. You're already in a precarious enough position, as your primary win condition involves allowing your opponents to dig for their Nekusar answer--I've found cards that provide an advantage without an inherent downside provide too little return to justify including.
Library of Leng is a fantastic card alongside wheels--you can discard the cards that don't help you, and redraw the cards that do.
I found Sphinx's Tutelage provided too little value, even with the substantial card draw Nekusar generates.
Curiosity is fantastic, and goes pseudo-infinite with Niv-Mizzet.
Helm of the Ghastlord is another card that combos with Niv-Mizzet, but is unbelievably powerful on Nekusar. When enchanted, each wheel forces a complete discard--while also forcing your opponents to discard every new card they draw.
Phyresis is just a mean card on Nekusar--with wheels, you can easily hit 10 poison on all opponents simultaneously.
I've been testing out Hive Mind, and have been quite pleased with it so far. It's a bit costly to cast, but having multiple copies of wheel spells floating around is game-ending.
2 months ago
I would recommend you run some more wheel effects, including Teferi's Puzzle Box. Wheels are what make Nekusar terrifying, particularly once he's been given infect.
Library of Leng reduces some of the downsides of playing wheel effects, as you can use it to engineer a better hand.
Helm of the Ghastlord combos well with wheel effects--they discard their hand, and then are forced to discard all their replacement cards.
Sigil of Sleep turns wheel effects into massive bounce spells, helping clear enemy threats.