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Each player shuffles his or her hand and graveyard into his or her library, then draws seven cards. If it's your turn, end the turn. (Exile all spells and abilities on the stack, including this card. Discard down to your maximum hand size. Damage wears off, and "this turn" and "until end of turn" effects end.)
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Day's Undoing Discussion
1 month ago
Added thus far:
Mystic Remora: What else could I put for Draw in Enchantments?
Dovin, Grand Arbiter: Because the Planeswalker Deck Dovin WILL relace this anyway...
Forge of Heroes: I wish there is a Planeswalker Commander in 5 colors... & is usable in Superfriends. Only then will this return.
Mox Amber: Replaced w/ Chrome Mox.
Cascading Cataracts: It's better than that other land that produces all 5 colors at once, but what the heck, I'l cut it.
Vedalken Orrery: At least the Leyline has the benefit of the doubt...
/ Nahiri, the Harbinger: Rummaging, & Spot Removal via Exiling prevents any merit to remove.
/ Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast: WHY. Why does everyone oppose this guy? He makes tokens, has spot removal, & even can copy other artifacts, be it on the field, or your grave. 3 great abilities already. I'm keeping this.
? Sphinx's Revelation: This is crazy as card dray as it is... I ponder how to bust it.
? Dovin, Architect of the Law: Not even on this site, but he's known for Lifegain + Card draw; as his first ability; & his Ultimate doubles as a quasi-Silence. I really wouldn't cut him for anything. :/
? (Whatever card that protects Non-Basics): W/ so many cards using Nonbasics against them, be it Back to Basics or Ruination, I wonder what to do about this: Terra Eternal for Indestructible Lands? Mind Over Matter for multitap control? Even Turnabout?
I'll continue from here...
1 month ago
@frezzreaper: Just a log in case you still care. Still no need for help currently; Trying to find ramp that doesn't need to target Basics as it is... Regarding Time Spiral, I even added Leyline of Anticipation + Vedalken Orrery for Mass Flash, & Day's Undoing as an instant speed alt. For something I can't even afford. From there, I also added some tutors, unless they really blow hard: Wargate, Dark Petition, Diabolic Revelation... I dunno if they're any good, but for other Ramp, Genesis Wave, Exploration, & Burgeoning is what I can think of. Other things I can think of are Farseek, Spoils of Victory, & Shard Convergence. Not too sure about your thoughts on Perilous Forays & Prismatic Omen, but I would like your thoughts. Quite a bad job at finding Draw Spells, I am. People usually use stuff like Phyrexian Arena, & Sylvan Library, but someone told me a gutsy, albeit smart decision to exclude both. That said, Rhystic Study stays though...
1: Cut some Walkers; & some support to lessen the load of Walkers. & Infinites.
2: Try & lessen the amount of infinite combos from the Walkers at least...
3: Wonder Why only 5 Wraths are really needed, as well as only 5 Draw (Should be more...), 10 Accelerants, & no amount of needed Tutors, all while getting to help at the current time.
5: Wonder if 10 ABU Duals, 10 Fetches, & 10 Shocks are needed, or if they don't even be needed at all, & what can replace them...
Sorry to say, so many Walkers alone have potential for such a thing as Wincons at the many. Though I'll see what I can cut though... ;) Later.
1 month ago
JKRice Although I'm certainly not an expert with this deck, and may be playing it wrong in this regard, I would suggest cutting one Simian Spirit Guide or one Snapcaster Mage. I've never really seen the point of Simian Spirit Guide in this deck. It can certainly help when you need just one more mana, but it often times just gets stranded in my hand when I would really like another turn spell or something. Again, I could be playing the whole deck wrong, but it isn't very often that I really get the opportunity to use it. The main time I can see Simian Spirit Guide being used is if you have two white sources by turn two so you can play Gideon of the Trials then and a turn effect on three. It really just doesn't seem to be very good, especially once you're pretty deep into extra turns and don't need the one mana. With my current understanding of the deck, one Simian Spirit Guide seems like the optimal cut for Pact of Negation, maybe cutting the other for a red producing land, since you are getting rid of red mana sources by cutting them. Another card that seems okay to cut is one Snapcaster Mage. This would definitely be sacrificing some amount of consistency, but it definitely seems like one of these would be okay to cut. A lot of times I find myself with no targets for Snapcaster Mage, either because I recently shuffled my graveyard away with Day's Undoing, because I recently played a Goblin Dark-Dwellers, or even because I had two Snapcaster Mages in my hand and just played one. In general it seems like four isn't necessary, especially because you can't even use Glorious End with them. My assessment on Snapcaster Mage may be wrong, though, since I haven't played with the three Day's Undoing version of the deck, and you may end up with a full graveyard often enough for the fourth Snapcaster Mage to be useful.
1 month ago
This is a really cool deck! The normal 'taking turns' list that I have been thinking about building is pretty expensive (Cryptic Command, mainly) and this is a nice budget alternative, as long as I make a few edits to the manabase so that it fits with the lands that I currently have. Also, this deck is even more fun than the original! After some playtesting to see if I wanted to make some changes, I have some suggestions. When comboing off, I'll often get two copies Day's Undoing in my hand, and having two is useless, since when you play the first, it shuffles the second away. I feel like if you cut one of the Day's Undoings, you could get rid of the problem while keeping the ability to reliably have one in your hand, especially if you just start keeping it with your cantrips (Opt, Serum Visions, Sleight of Hand, etc). To replace it, I'd suggest one copy of Howling Mine. It would probably end up drawing you more cards than a Day's Undoing anyway, while not drawing your opponent very many, considering all of the extra turns you're taking. Additionally, I would strongly suggest Ideas Unbound, which would probably replace some cantrips. It digs three cards deep, and if you play it with an empty hand, you can play two or even all three cards and not even end up having to discard. And that's not mentioning the synergy it has with Sundial of the Infinite. If you end the turn before your end step comes, you won't have to discard, making it essentially 1UU draw three cards (because you have to pay 1 to end the turn), which can be very powerful. Also, I suggest Pact of Negation, and to a lesser degree, Slaughter Pact, Intervention Pact, and even Pact of the Titan. Pact of Negation is an extremely strong card. Being able to counter something for zero is very powerful, as people will often completely let their guard down when a blue deck is tapped out, and try to play their win conditions with no protection of their own. When you often times don't even have to pay the 3UU later because you have Gideon of the Trials (Pact of Negation forces you to pay the cost, but only if you have the mana in your mana pool. You have the choice to tap your lands to produce the mana) out? That's power 9 levels of broken. Countering a vital spell completely for free can often times win games by itself. You can also, in a pinch, end your turn in respose to the upkeep trigger with Pact of Negation with Sundial of the Infinite and skip your turn in a pinch. All of this applies to Slaughter Pact, Intervention Pact, and Pact of the Titan, although none of them are quite as good as Pact of Negation. You don't have the black to pay Slaughter Pact's cost, so it may be a little conditional as a removal spell, even if it is free when you can cast it. Intervention Pact can be a very good stalling spell, essentially buying you two full turns, but it's useless if you get off to a fast start, and will only get in the way then. Pact of the Titan can be a free 4/4 at instant speed, but, while that blocks really well when you're on the defense, and can attack when you're trying to close out the game while comboing off, it isn't exactly what the deck needs, and could lower consistency. Anyway, this deck is honestly really fun to play, is pretty skill testing, and costs half of what traditional taking turns decks cost. Thanks!
1 month ago
Ravenrose first of, that 32 land count looks pretty scary to me. I run 36 in my Arjun deck (with 7 mana rocks) and even that is sometimes cutting it close. Seeing that you aim to cast a plethora of mid to high costed instants and sorceries, i'd suggest you use Metallurgic Summonings. Your spells give you an additional body to attack with or in the worst case a chump blocker. Experience learns me that this card can be very clutch. If you're interested in any more instant/sorcery triggers that produce usefull bodies, i'd like to suggest Young Pyromancer, Docent of Perfection Flip and Talrand, Sky Summoner. furthermore, the scry trigger on Jace's Sanctum can be very helpfull. now for the actual instant and sorceries. Ponder is one of my favorites and most used cards. The option to shuffle your deck if you can't find anything usefull has really helped me in the past. Mystical Tutor is a bit more expensive but it will find you whatever you need when you,re in trouble. Bonus Round, Swarm Intelligence, Melek, Izzet Paragon and my fovorite Primal Amulet Flip are absolute beasts when it comes to copying your cards, which can be very powerfull in the right deck. Will Kenrith and Rowan Kenrith have insane synergy together although they're a bit pricey. You're not running that many sorceries, but if you did Hypersonic Dragon is a very sollid card to include. Little can trips like Gitaxian Probe, Quicken, Impulse and Anticipate are quite usefull as well. I'd also suggest to add atleast one more spell that can really beef your hand (and a permanent that gives you no maximum hand size like Spellbook or Reliquary Tower) such as: Blue Sun's Zenith, Pull from Tomorrow, Mind Spring, Stroke of Genius or maybe a wheel effect if you want to possibly hurt your opponents as well. Windfall and Jace's Archivist fit this role very well. Lastly I'll name several other powerfull or usefull cards i forgot about. Psychic Corrosion and Sphinx's Tutelage for mill power, Mindmoil or even my trusty commander if you really like chaos (Teferi's Puzzle Box is an option if you want everyone else to join the madness), Laboratory Maniac is a really nice fail-save (Especialy if you want to secure your Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind/Curiosity combo), regular old Counterspell is always usefull, Counterflux is situation but can stop someone's stupid combo, Chaos Warp, Reality Shift, Pongify are Rapid Hybridization the best removal cards for izzet decks, i like Arcane Denial because it gives your opponent something back, Evacuation can save your beasts as well as fuck over any token decks, cards like Day's Undoing might save you if all goes south, ofcourse any mana rocks are always a welcome addition to a deck. And i guess that's all the suggestions and tips i can think of right now. I know it's a lot, but i live for Izzet decks and any time i get the chance to work on a new one my brain goes into overdrive. I understand what a spellslinger deck needs to dominate and i love to spread that knowledge. I hope i helped, have fun with the power of Izzet!
1 month ago
Thanks for the suggestion . It is true that the trap works against the creatures growth. Grafdigger's Cage is a card surely to be considered in a lot of match-ups, to avoid never ending legions of zombies, but unfortunately it does not avoid the shuffle effect of Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, Day's Undoing or Enhanced Surveillance, which makes all the work milling until then useless.
1 month ago
1 month ago
I'd cut both Fog Bank and Guard Gomazoa as you have enough creatures to do some blocking and their abilities don't really progress your strategy. Spellskite can be an early blocker for you [which is really all those walls are for] and it can protect your commander from targeted removal.
Sigil of Sleep doesn't seem very useful as you're not really going to be attacking that often. When you do attack it will be with a million locust tokens and then the opponent is just dead. I'd file it under the 'too cute' category.
Psychic Corrosion is something that I would consider a bit corner as you're trying to kill them with damage from drawing cards, not mill them out. Is this meant as a backup plan? Day's Undoing and cards like it are nonbo with it as they shuffle graveyards back into libraries.
Cut one Fork effect as hopefully Mirari lets you do all the duplicating you want. You should be seeing a lot of cards every game, the odds of you seeing more than one each game is already good. Wild Ricochet would be my choice simply because of the mana cost.
If you've played the deck a bit, how well has Torment of Hailfire performed? Typically I've seen it in decks that can produce a ton of mana but this deck doesn't really do that.
Is Nezahal, Primal Tide in there simply for the hand size text? If so, probably not worth the card slot, you have at least 3 other cards that do that which should cover it.
I'll admit, after a couple glasses of merlot, not coming up with any more nuanced cuts, but, hopefully this has been some help.
Day's Undoing occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.02%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.01%
U/B/R (Grixis): 0.06%