Artifact Creature — Thopter
Flying (This creature can't be blocked except by creatures with flying or reach)
|Have (2)||, gildan_bladeborn|
|Want (5)||gotsprite , insecticon3000 , kadabura , matty266 , Cablead|
Printings View all
|Aether Revolt (AER)||Uncommon|
|Masterpiece Series: Kaladesh Inventions (MPS)||Mythic Rare|
|Magic 2015 (M15)||Common|
|2011 Core Set (M11)||Uncommon|
|2010 Core Set (M10)||Uncommon|
|Tenth Edition (10E)||Uncommon|
|Ninth Edition (9ED)||Uncommon|
|Ninth Edition Foreign Black Border (9EDFBB)||Uncommon|
|Classic Sixth Edition (6ED)||Uncommon|
|Fifth Edition (5ED)||Uncommon|
|Fourth Edition (4ED)||Uncommon|
|4th Edition Foreign Black Border (4EDFBB)||Uncommon|
|Revised Edition (3ED)||Uncommon|
|Revised Foreign Black Border (3EDFBB)||Uncommon|
Combos Browse all
- Mirran Spy + Nettle Drone + Ornithopter
- Alela, Artful Provocateur + Ornithopter + Scrap Trawler
- Blood Artist + Ornithopter + Scrap Trawler
- Aetherflux Reservoir + Ornithopter + Scrap Trawler
- Ornithopter + Scrap Trawler + Viscera Seer
- Ornithopter + Quest for the Holy Relic
- Ensoul Artifact + Ornithopter
- Ornithopter + Springleaf Drum
- Lightning Greaves + Ornithopter
- Argentum Armor + Ornithopter + Sword of Body and Mind
|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Ornithopter occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.15%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.02%
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1 day ago
Thanks for the comments!
bushido_man96 - I do already have Conjurer's Bauble in the list, but I forgot about Urza's Bauble. It's probably better than Ichor Wellspring in this build. I'll definitely swap those. Tangle Wire is interesting, but I am not really into playing mana denial type stax.
Daedalus19876 - Good point on Sheoldred. I just love the card so much haha. A lot of my removal package can hit multiple permanent types which is why I didn't feel the need for more specific removal, but I do have a Force of Vigor sitting around so I can see about adding it. Thornbite Staff is basically a board wipe with Glissa on the battlefield due to her deathtouch. Viridian Longbow is another option with her. I've seen Ashnod's Altar + Grave Pact + Hex Parasite in Glissa before, but not Attrition + Ornithopter. I'll have to consider it.
1 day ago
Without reanimation, Sheoldred, Whispering One seems bad. Your removal package isn't bad, but I'd highly recommend Force of Vigor and Nature's Claim to handle artifacts and enchantments. Vampiric Tutor is also awesome if you can afford it.
I'm curious what Thornbite Staff is for, I feel like that's a potential cut.
I agree with the above suggestion to run the Baubles.
Hope this helps!
1 week ago
Here is my opinion you asked for.
You may add: Faerie Seer, Augury Owl, Sage Owl, Spark Double, Spire Owl, Insidious Dreams, Price of Fame or Snuff Out, Submerge, Scheming Symmetry, Bolas's Citadel, Cover of Darkness, Unnatural Selection, Mana Severance
2 weeks ago
Tricky. 8 Whack is well known and fairly optimised. The benifits of being 'off list' will likely shine in your sideboard slots to let you steal some wins- include your sideboard in your planning.
Burning-Tree Emissary sees play in these lists and is fairly cheap.
Since you are already looking at Signal Pest it might be worth testing Kuldotha Rebirth and Shrapnel Blast, while cutting prospector for Bomat Courier or Ornithopter. This also lets you test Darksteel Citadel in your land slot. If you cut outburst you can cut to an uncomfortable 18 lands fairly safely- with a couple slots open for Mogg Fanatic.
Its similar speed to 8 whack, but the 'direct to face' finish is a touch more resilient to 'normal' sideboard answers, while more vulnerable to any affinity answers in the meta.
1 month ago
I appreciate all the feedback guys. I'm gonna head back to the drawing board and redesign the card. Flow is how Last_Laugh describes. I wanted it to be an ability like Cascade, but with a more blue take on the ability. Probably not necessary but worth trying. In my original idea of the card I had one of the abilities as being able to bounce target artifact but I realized all too quickly that it would be a braindead infinite with something like Ornithopter . I also would like to keep torrent counters on the card in some way. In my head they fit the lore idea of the card because I particularly wanted the creature to be a Merfolk Artificer which is something we haven't seen before (or at the very least something I couldn't find). I'm going to look at this from some different angles and If anyone would like to help or suggest here are my key goals stepping into the future:
-5cmc or less to cast
-offers great artifact synergy
-theme that matches creature types
-adjust the power level of Flow, but retain it's blue identity.
2 months ago
My brother also has an esper artifact combo deck, although the commander is Sharuum the Hegemon . The commander is a combo piece. He goes infinite with Disciple of the Vault and Sculpting Steel or Phyrexian Metamorph due to how the stack and legendary rules work. Sharuum and Emry, Lurker of the Lock would be good adds in case a key artifact like Scrap Trawler got countered. Or milled. Plus, they're good anyway and it's really useful to have more than 1 combo to rely on. Especially when the combo pieces are interconnected and generally useful anyway. Skullclamp works great with Alela. It's an artifact, and it generates massive draw, even more so with Alela out. Another good infinite combo with Ashnod's Altar , and Krark-Clan Ironworks as well, is the old Thopter Foundry and Sword of the Meek combo.
I'd like to give you a helpful hint regarding Ashnod's Altar . I learned how this worked when Krark-Clan Ironworks was not banned in Modern. When you cast a spell (it's very important that you have a spell that you can actually cast), you have the opportunity to activate mana abilities. What's important to note is that mana abilities don't use the stack and are all done at the same time. Ashnod's Altar has a mana ability. So, you get to sacrifice both myr retriver and Frogmite at the same time, and they enter the graveyard at the same time. Then the abilities of Myr Retriever and Scrap Trawler go on the stack at the same time, allowing you to retrive both the myr, the frog, and 1 extra artifact less than Myr Retriever 's mana cost. If you have Mycosynth Golem out, you can go infinite with just myr retriver and Scrap Trawler returning each other back. Here's the catch though. Remember that bit earlier where I said you can get 1 extra artifact back less than Myr Retriever 's mana cost due to that extra trigger from Scrap Trawler seeing it die? You need to use that to bring something back like Ornithopter . The reason why is it's very important to have a spell that you can cast in order to be able to activate mana abilities without using the stack. That spell needs to be something you can cast, sacrifice, bring back, and recast, such as an artifact creature you can sacrifice to the altar which can be brought back by scrap trawler. Only then can you go infinite. It's a really tricky combo that abuses the fundamentals of the stack and mana abilities, so if you didn't understand my explanation, I'd suggest you look up the KCI combo. If you add Krark-Clan Ironworks to your deck, you'll be able to go infinite with Sol Ring , Spellbook and your other low cost artifacts.
Although, whether or not you go combo heavy is your decision. If your main win con is an artifact combo, then you're playing one of the most abusable, synergistic, resilient combos, and I'd suggest you play all the artifact combos you can.
2 months ago
2 months ago
Mainly Improvements I think you can make / Problems that I've found / Why this is a bad storm deck | Skip to the bottom for the Conclusion
3 BIG PROBLEMS > Mana, Consistency, and Modern itself
I will preface this with a statement, Modern HATES Storm. Almost all of the storm cards that Modern used to play are banned. Seething Song , Rite of Flame , Treasure Cruise , Dig Through Time , Ponder , Preordain , Faithless Looting , and Gitaxian Probe are all banned because of Storm and their use in or / storm decks. A lot of what I'll say will have relevance to Modern, but Storm is best in Vintage with access to the older Storm Cards. Some of the CARDS I mention will only be legal in Vintage, but the ideas/problems with this deck all have relevance to Modern
Differences I've found
Storm needs mana to do all the things it does. Do you know why Seething Song and Rite of Flame are banned? Because Storm took them and won on turn 1-2 and then kept winning on turn 1-2. However, because those things are banned, we need a compromise: Cards that make mana. Cards like Manamorphose , Desperate Ritual , and Pyretic Ritual can all get you the Generic portion of spells.
A difference between this deck and most Storm decks is that a) it doesn't win with Tendrils of Agony , which, although a black card, is way more efficient than Grapeshot but I'll talk about Winning later b) the cards that up the storm count don't do anything. Your Memnites, Ornithopters, and Darksteel Relics don't do anything on their own, they just cost 0. In other Storm decks, cards like Serum Visions , Manamorphose , Opt , and Deep Analysis all draw more cards while being cheap and upping the storm count.
Storm can win through other things too. Things like I dunno, creatures that DO things. Delver of Secrets Flip, Thing in the Ice Flip, and Baral, Chief of Compliance all a) do things and b) can ATTACK (Well, not Baral). If your Storm count fizzles, you still have a 3/2 flyer or a 7/8. Also, fizzling. In this deck, it's not so bad because your win condition is Aetherflux Reservoir , but fizzling is either because of a) not cards in hand or b) no mana. I've playtested this deck a few times, and what happens is I'm either top-decking, or I have no lands, both of which are TERRIBLE for a storm deck. This deck barely wins before turn 7-9, which in Modern is abysmally bad.
Your Win-Condition. You chose probably the hardest win condition in Storm. In a perfect game, where all the spells to setup are cast WHILE Aetherflux Reservoir is in play, you need to cast 8 spells to get to >50 life (56 to be exact; 20+1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8=56). So before you start going off, you need to get 4 mana and then live long enough to untap. It is very possible to get to 8 spells, but in this deck, it isn't. The way you cast spells, and the way those spells let you cast other spells means that you'll almost never have enough cards in hand to win. The ONLY line that I see is, yes, Retract , but that bounces Aetherflux Reservoir too, and we just spent 4 mana putting that thing in play. Even if we put Aetherflux into play again, we need 4 zero mana artifacts that WEREN'T in play last turn, which isn't impossible per se. So the things that this deck needs to win are a) Aetherflux Reservoir ALREADY IN PLAY b) Retract in hand c) 4 zero mana artifacts in hand d) Mana to both cast Retract AND Aetherflux Reservoir and e) a life total of at least 15. That's 5 things that this deck needs. 5 things in ONE HUNDRED CARDS!? Also, Aetherflux Reservoir isn't even a 4-of??! Not only would making you draw it easier, but 2 Aetherfluxes in play is not that bad if your win condition is >50 life. For storm it's bad, but for this, it's okay (Keep in mind a good thing in a bad deck is bad).
So, Aetherflux Reservoir sucks. What else is there?
PROS: 1) Can be cast multiple times throughout the game. The difference with Tendrils and Reservoir is that Reservoir is all or nothing; you NEED >50 life to win. Tendrils can be cast multiple times to win. If you cast tendrils for only say StormCount™ is 4, that's 8 life down for our opponent. Then, you can keep casting it. Maybe later you cast it for StormCount™ 5, that's 10 life down and 10 life gained. It's also a better thing for fizzling. If you even think you're going to fizzle, keep mana for tendrils. Tendrils should always be the last thing you cast each turn to maximize the StormCount™ 2) It's efficient. For the same mana cost as Reservoir, you get an immediate effect that drains your opponent. Also, each life that our opponent loses is great for us because instead of us gaining life, we're draining our opponent. In a format of Fetches and Shocks, 2 life is very easy to lose. Each 2 life our opponent loses is 1 less copy of tendrils we need.
CONS: 1) It's black, and quite a bit at that. We need 2 black mana to cast this thing. But, cards like Manamorphose , the Moxen that you have, Black Dual Lands, Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth or even just good old fashion Basic Swamp are all better than what you have right now. 16 Basics + 6 Basic Fetches is a lot for Modern. I know you're playing 100 cards, but that is still a lot. No Scalding Tarn s? No Fiery Islet s? Not even playing other duals? The Fast Lands, the Pain Lands, The Battle Lands, The Check Lands? All of these are not only but have black variants too.
PROS: 1) Cheaper, only needing to cast 2) Already in your colors / In the deck, so just needs more copies 3) Hits creatures to make way for creature damage to get through 4) Great support Card, makes Tendrils better by needing fewer copies and can chip away at a life total and help your creatures kill your opponent
CONS: 1) Really inefficient. You need to one-for-one your opponent's life total with StormCount™ if this is the MAIN win-con
PROS: 1) Cheap, needing to cast and already in your colors 2) Mill is a lot easier in Modern than Commander. Not only is every card our opponent draws good for us, but they only have ~60 cards to mill 3) Goes great with High Tide WHICH YOU SHOULD DEFINITELY BE PLAYING TO HELP YOUR AWFUL MANA
CONS: 1) Also pretty inefficient, milling 3 per StormCount™. However, unlike Grapeshot, players are constantly drawing cards and are probably drawing more than 1 per turn. 2) Completely dies to "Shuffle your graveyard into your library..." effects, so probably not a main win-con, but something to keep cards away from your opponents by milling them
PROS: 1) Very powerful at high storm count. Even with low storm count, if you can hit a Tendrils, a Grapeshot, or another Mind's Desire, then you can not only keep adding to the StormCount™ but kill your opponent 2) Adds to the StormCount™ because you cast the card
CONS: 1) A bit expensive mana-wise, but if you can be making mana with rituals or casting High Tide , then it's no problem
PROS: 1) On Color, Average cost 2) It makes a lot of creatures that can attack OR block. Also, unlike Awoken Horror , it is very hard to block all of them at once
CONS: 1) Summoning Sickness
CONCLUSION Read this if you only care about what I think of the deck and not on improvements
Honestly, the deck sucks. Aetherflux Reservoir is slow enough on its own, but the mana base, the support cards, and the number of cards make it even worse. With 100 cards, you can almost never get the pieces to fall into place right. You have very little card-draw and none of your cards replace themselves. You have to wait to at least turn 4 to cast Reservoir, and before that, you can't do anything. You can't cast your Memnite on turn 1 because that's less card to have on turn 4-5 when you have Aetherflux. Waiting until turn 4-5 to dump your hand of do-nothings is not the best. A hand dump of anything is probably not great, but in this deck of cards that don't replace themselves, it's extra bad. You'll almost never have enough cards after a hand dump. 1/3 of your deck is 0 mana artifacts. 1 card does anything on its own and you only have two copies of it. Mox Opal is the only card of the THIRD of your deck that does anything on its own. Mox Amber can only tap for mana if you have one of only FIVE legendary creatures/planeswalkers in play. With 100 cards, that never happens. Memnite and Ornithopter are never winning a game on their own in this deck. Darksteel Relic has no activated abilities. If Everflowing Chalice and Astral Cornucopia are 0 mana artifacts, then they also have no activated abilities. Paradise Mantle needs a creature. Spellbook does basically nothing because you aren't drawing cards. A lot of the other cards don't do anything either. I don't know why you are playing 100 cards if not a lot of them do things.
Unwinding Clock - What are you untapping that you need on your opponent's turn?
Isochron Scepter - a total of 12 cards and they are Vandalblast , which is NOT main-deck playable, Grapeshot , Rapid Hybridization , Dramatic Reversal , which, while it does untap the Sceptor, does very little in this deck, Cyclonic Rift , which can't be overloaded, and Retract , which bounces the Scepter and leaves Retract in exile. Not only is it rare to have an imprint target, but that target sucks.
Shimmer Myr - You don't need flash if you're doing everything on your turn
Erayo, Soratami Ascendant - You don't need its flip side
Now, a lot of these cards are 1-of's which is good. But there are cards that you have 1 of which are amazing. Most of them are legendary creatures, which drawing 2 of kinda sucks, but in 100 cards (which is still dumb) you'll never get them if you only have one copy
Urza, Lord High Artificer - Lets your do-nothing artifacts tap for ! Also, he gets you a creature that, with a lot of artifacts, can attack for lethal. ALSO, he has an activated ability which, with excess dumb artifacts, can keep you casting spells
Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain - DRAWS YOU SO MANY CARDS!! Is also a 3/3
100 cards is a bad idea in general. Consistency is a big part of any format. Even with 100 cards, you can still up consistency. Splash for tutors, White or Black, to find the cards you need.
Sideboards are a thing and can have up to 15 cards. Put targeting removal like Vandalblast there instead of your main deck. The "hate" cards of MTG go in the sideboard