Each player shuffles his or her hand and graveyard into his or her library and then draws seven cards. (Then put Timetwister into its owner's graveyard.)
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Timetwister occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.02%
3 weeks ago
Whir of Invention is a must in any heavy artifact deck. Also, Trail of Evidence does some serious work. On a less budget friendly note Transmute Artifact, Timetwister, and Time Spiral would kick things up a notch if you're into that sort of thing.
1 month ago
Very good question! At first hand this would probably seem like a problem, but then we remember that we have an insane draw-engine on the field. We can just play the disruptive game-plan until we have pieced together a Dramatic Reversal + Isochron Scepter combo along with enough interaction to back up a secondary wincon (such as Mesmeric Orb + Staff of Domination -combo or a more intricate line with Timetwister + either Swan Song or Brain Freeze).
I have not played/ brewed any budget/ more casual build of Emry unfortunetly so I redirected your question to the nice people at the Emry discord ( https://discord.gg/NeMwgTG )!
1 month ago
My recommendations :
I think most people will tell you that Oloro offers little competitive advantage to you compared to other esper commander like Zur (who can fetch Necropotence into play) or even Aminatou (who is a combo piece in the command zone). I think upsides for Oloro would be that he can do larger ad nauseam and possibly can even run Humility which few decks can win while it is on the board.
MANA COST TOO HIGH
I would first add better ramp, better draw, potential Stax, tutors and then other win cons.
Verity Circle (good against dorks)
Plunge into Darkness (a good Impulse)
CONSULT COMBO Demonic Consultation
AD NAUSEAM COMBO Angel's Grace
Ad Nauseam (draw whole deck, can Windfall and make everyone die while AG means you can't lose
Heliod Walking Ballista
Rocks that produce at least three mana total (outlet is extort with blind obedience or crypt ghast) If have pristine Talisman gain infinite life, which is infinite draw with commander
Didn't look at landbase
2 months ago
Now, if cEDH is the way this deck is pushing I would also get other pieces to make it faster. What I mean is, something like Linvala, Keeper of Silence is really good, but if the plan is to cast in turn 4 it might be way too late. I would cut stuff that is either too narrow, too mana intensive or too inconsistent or unreliable, like Sun Titan, Dimir Doppelganger, Mirage Mirror and Unmake. Strangely enough, by my experience Cryptic Command is too expensive and hard to cast most of the time, specially with 3 colours!
In exchange I would add fast mana like Mana Vault, Grim Monolith and Chrome Mox. And other staples like Windfall and Timetwister (availability or budget permitting). Casting a Windfall on turn 1 with 3 or 4 mana on the battlefield is bonkers! Or with a Narset, Parter of Veils!
As a final note, I would consider switching the most expensive ways to draw cards and add some cheaper ones. Like switching Esper Charm and Sphinx's Revelation for Ponder, Preordain and/or Brainstorm.
2 months ago
Thanks so much. I've put this bad boy together (outside of Timetwister and The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale) after months of collecting the cards and I can't wait to start playing it. Two and four are ones I hadn't even thought about. Great interaction there!
One last question, is there a better replacement card you might recommend for Timetwister other than Echo of Eons? It's obviously a bit slower, but I just can't see myself splurging on the two most expensive cards in the deck.
2 months ago
StefanKaminski: Please excuse the essay XD
My main gripe with equipment is that they tend to be a lot more mana intensive than auras and you have to run extra pieces, like Sigarda's Aid or Stoneforge Mystic, to cheat those high costs, which takes away valuable spots that could be dedicated to better cards. I chose auras over equipment after extensive play-testing and although auras are more brittle than equipment, being able to attach them early and generate huge advantage is very powerful.
I do really like Umezawa's Jitte seeing as it pumps up Ojutai and can effectively eliminate opposing mana dorks and hate-bears, I'll test it out and see how it plays. This deck is shooting for optimization, while equipment like Sword of Feast and Famine are very solid pieces in high or mid-powered metas, in competitive games they take too long to set up or are disrupted before you can generate any value from them. Voltron is just one way to win with this deck, mostly Ojutai serves as a massive distraction piece who also generates card advantage.
Muddle the Mixture is very spicy, thanks for the suggestion! As far as specific stax pieces go, I really like Deafening Silence style effects their only downside is that they are a non-bo with combos I play like Dramatic Reversal + Isochron Scepter + Blind Obedience. I can run Disenchant effects to break parity with my own stax pieces, I just worry that I'll lock myself out of potential wins. You are right though, one spell per turn effects really hose quick combo decks and I should include one, it's just tough to identify exactly what I could swap for it.
Winter Orb and Back to Basics have been great "no untapping allowed" pieces so I haven't felt the need to have another. I'd like to play-test Static Orb and see if I prefer it over any of my other pieces.
I have play-tested both Sphere of Resistance and Thalia, Guardian of Thraben and didn't like how either performed. Usually they slowed me down as much as my opponents and didn't cause enough disruption to warrant including in the main board.
In this particular list, Cursed Totem functions as a better version of Linvala, Keeper of Silence and is easier to tutor up in Azorius colors. The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale is similar to Timetwister, great cards and I'd run them if I had several thousand dollars to spend on them, unfortunately I don't have that kind of cash lying around.
I love Approach of the Second Sun and if I was ever powering down this list it would go right back in right alongside a ton of crazy equipment. Trying to optimize things though makes keeping a seven mana spell that doesn't win the game on the spot tough.
I imagine you already know but just in case, Helm of Obedience is meant to pair with Rest in Peace to kill off one person at a time, it isn't the most streamlined combo but Azorius in general suffers from a lack of ultra-efficient game winning combos. The best way to navigate it is to play Rest in Peace early on, then use something like Whir of Invention to put Helm of Obedience into play on the end-step before my turn begins, kill a player, start my next turn, untap and kill another player. I go back and forth a lot on whether or not to remove Helm and add effects like Luminarch Ascension (which can also win with Dramatic Scepter combo), extra mana rocks or hate pieces. It's a never ending tinkering process.
Scroll Rack pairs incredibly well with Land Tax and is a solid way to get out of dead hands. I can also use it to put two or three dead cards on top of my library, deal damage with Ojutai, filter the top three and set myself up for fresh draws. It might not be an optimal card choice but it always performs well when I need it too and is a versatile tool to have at my disposal.
And yes Blind Obedience does need a white or black producing mana rock in order to stack infinite extort triggers. Six out of my ten mana rocks can produce white mana, seven if you count Copy Artifact. It's not perfect but sometimes when you're trying to make a fringe strategy work you've got to bank on a bit of luck.
Thank you for all your feedback, I appreciate it!
2 months ago
If you don't have a Mox Diamond, I think the closest thing that you will find is Jeweled Amulet. Not only is it MUCH more budget friendly (TCG market price is $2.13), but if you don't need the mana immediately, you can choose to keep putting counters on it and "ramp" that way. There are obvious downsides, since it doesn't tap for mana immediately and when you remove the charge counter(s), it only produces the last color of mana spent to put a charge counter on it, but it's still a decent and (in my opinion) underrated card if you can't afford/don't want to spend money on Mox Diamond.
2 months ago
@smilodex Hi again! Seems like we're getting some great talks here. Good to see that we agree on the Timetwister replacement, but it's okay to disagree with the wheeling thing. I do think too that Wheel of Fortune is incredibly powerful, I just haven't been playing it in my own pile. Could be that I'm horrifyingly wrong on that call. Sad that the price recently went up on this card, it's gonna be holding me back from getting one fairly soon, as it's currently not a good time. I am however willing to really try this card out and can see the merit of using it. My prime worry on wheels is the fact that, as pilots, we draw a hand that's full of unplayable cards due to high manacosts. I am wondering: did this already happen to you and if so, what did you do in that scenario? Because if that hand is filled up with Tturns cards, this deck is going to have a bad time.
I'd like to touch on the Thousand-Year Storm inclusion. I've been mulling it over in my head and to be real, that card can be incredibly bonkers. The fact that it says cast instead of "from hand", that makes this incredibly effed up beyond belief. I'm currently calculating and goldfishing the card, to see how big this can get. It might be an inclusion in my own list.
Narset Transcendent is a very interesting walker. Not only does it hit flavorcity, it also is relatively versatile as you said. The +1, as I use it, is mostly there to scout ahead before an attack. Is there something that I don't want and that needs to go? Narset T gives the info. The ult is relatively good, but also pretty unused mostly. The -2 however, is what sells me on this card. Giving something rebound and coming back for nothing is pretty powerful. You could just take time to cast a rebounded Time Stretch or, if you're in a pickle, a removal option. There's a good bunch of things you can do with this card. It is, however, a bit costly on the mana. Flipping her, however, feels real good. Something similar comes from Narset, Parter of Veils. Not only does it synergize well with wheels, it also serves as a hatepiece against a large portion of the cEDH decks out there. That anti-draw ability has come in pretty handy, as many combo decks will be shutdown without any form of removal. It buys a lot of time and has a good upside when Spiral/Echo/Wheel hits. See the wheel plays as 'win-more'.
I do own an Aggravated Assault. Wonder if it's gonna be good here. Might just test it.
I wonder though, what are the thoughts on Teferi by the discord? It seems really nuts and feels pretty good in this deck. I think pieces like that are what pushes this type of deck in an Adaptive playstyle rather than full combo. Also: there's a discord now? I didn't even know! As for Xmage: I don't have that... yet. I do have Cockatrice, could make Xmage.