Force of Negation
If it's not your turn, you may exile a blue card from your hand rather than pay this spell's mana cost.
Counter target noncreature spell. If that spell is countered this way, exile it instead of putting it into its owner's graveyard.
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|Modern Horizons (MH1)||Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Force of Negation occurrence in decks from the last year
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Force of Negation Discussion
6 days ago
Still trying to decide what the ideal sideboard would be. One of the most difficult decks to ply against are ninja and aggressive werewolf decks actually. They are fast and can easily avoid counterspells with ninjitsu. Aggro in general make things more difficult. Snapcaster Mage is only really a placeholder as they honestly don't fit exactly into this deck. I already have Force of Negation which exiles some of my cards. Mystic Sanctuary does a better job of reusing spells (sometimes more than once). Archmage's Charm used to be in the deck but it turned out to be too slow. The three blue cot wasn't always the issue, but the hard counter for three was nothing special. Force of Negation took over rather quickly. I really like Relic Amulet as it will act as actual removal. Downside is that it may be a bit too slow and I really don't have any wizards. I'm mostly looking for cards in the sideboard that shutdown certain decks (specifically ninjas; can't counter and bouncing doesn't really help either).
1 week ago
I feel like Metallic Mimic needs to come out there are so many better options like Prophet of Distortion I would also replace Sylvan Safekeeper with Force of Negation just personal choice on my end I dont know the meta you play in
4 weeks ago
If you're aiming for a more cutthroat approach to the list, there are some key pieces of interaction and acceleration you're missing, and I've got suggested cuts as well:
- Izzet Charm -> Force of Negation
- Teferi's Protection -> Swan Song
- Teferi, Master of Time -> Negate
- Sword of Fire and Ice -> Arcane Signet
- Lightning Greaves -> Mox Diamond
- Master Transmuter -> Talisman of Creativity
- Mangara, the Diplomat -> Talisman of Progress
- Boros Signet -> Talisman of Conviction
I would also run the big three cantrips:
Before suggesting future cuts and changes, the next question becomes: How do you want to kill, and how do you want to get there? You and I spoke previously about this a bit, so I know you don't want to go for a creatureless Proteus Staff kill. Fish is a pretty compact wincon, but it seems to me that it may not be strictly necessary. You're going to run Top anyhow, so if you're holding your deck, you can find a way to win no matter what. My impression is that you can go a few different routes:
- You can build a list that wants to manually storm off and kill with Aetherflux Reservoir. Reservoir provides a natural outlet to Top lines while also supporting a more traditional storm plan. This then has two subtly different approaches, one leaning on artifacts and one leaning on spells.
- You can build a list that wants to assemble Isochron Scepter + Dramatic Reversal for infinite storm and mana and then find an outlet for one or the other.
- You can build a list that wants to resolve Fish or Jace, Wielder of Mysteries with an empty library.
You're also in the colors for access to almost the entire Wheels package, in case that appeals to you:
Resolving any wheel with any lock piece is generally enough to just win the game.
Thoughts so far?
4 weeks ago
Now cracking a fetch is so much worse than just when Aven Mindcensor existed, which I will still run, or when Notion Thief existed wheels or even just some extra draw was scary, Hullbreacher just is so much worse.
I am cutting Smothering Tithe, and I do love that card but it's just bad in comparison, can't pitch it to Force of Will/Force of Negation, 1 cheaper, flash, means I can drop Enlightened Tutor which I didn't love but sorta ran for a few good options, it's easier to get on my current tutor package, and also has flash.
With 4 flash hatebears, all of which are onesided and hates hard on any lists I know of, but is also cheap and the new ones give me huge benefits, I can get draw, tutor my opponents decks, get treasure tokens, cut off my opponents draw, tutors, and all at flash speed. Insanely powerful.
My Urza list is now going to crush with Hullbreacher cutting draw which giving me tons of Mox Sapphires to give me free cards, and Jeweled Lotus is another Black Lotus/Mox Sapphire depewhen it's drawn. Beautiful.
4 weeks ago
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1 month ago
VampDemigod and I_Want_To_PlayAllTheDecks when I ask you to stop posting things that are off-topic in a competitive discussion thread, that doesn't mean switch to shitposting about the cards we are discussing. There are easily 15+ posts in thread that are wastes of space and discussion, without having made anyone the wiser for reading them. It is already hard enough to have a serious discussion about cedh on tappedout, let alone find good information on any of the formats. The threads we do get, we do not need rambling posts that provide no new information or viewpoints. You do not need to comment every single time you get a notification or see a new thread, especially if you have nothing to actually discuss.
You may not realize it, but you are making tappedout a worse place to discuss magic when you derail threads and shitpost egregiously like this. Do you want to be able to actually discuss cards and strategies on tappedout? How about you actually discuss the cards, respond to another user in a meaningful way, or pose a new question related to the thread?
I doubt that decks will slot more removal because of Opposition Agent. If anything, it will put an even bigger onus to run blue to counter OpAgent on the stack. I believe we will see another uptick in Gilded Drake usage, because even better than removing is stealing for yourself. More likely than more removal is also probably more draw spells, to draw into an answer or simply draw into whatever they wanted to tutor in the first place. Most decks will choose to keep a slim removal package in my opinion.
It is funny you mention the free counterspells. I find these to be a great analogy to Jeweled Lotus. When Force of Negation and Fierce Guardianship were spoiled, there was similar beating of the wardrums about the death of cedh. Both of these cards suffer in cedh greatly due to their restrictive clauses, and neither are auto-includes in every deck. Force of Negation is a great combo stopper, but can't protect your own combo on your own turn, rendering it worse than most of the 1 CMC counterspells for purposes of actually winning. It worked best to stop yourself from losing. Fierce Guardianship also suffers greatly from its condition, requiring a commander to be a free cast. It doesn't protect your valuable mana acceleration or tutors or value engines on turn 1 and 2, being a worse Negate. It also doesn't protect your commander while resolving, resulting in it being the most effective when you're likely already ahead. Both of these free counters caused a big stink when spoiled. Both of them were adopted by a handful of decks that are able to get around their problems the best. Both of them wreak havoc in casual/high power metas. Neither of them broke the format, and most decklists are sticking to traditional and more reliable methods of counterspells. Similarly, I really believe Jeweled Lotus will cause a splash in decks that can run work around its downsides, but will ultimately be flavor of the month like Fierce Guardianship before it.
1 month ago
Oilcountry89: Generally speaking I've never really cared much for that style of counter spell. I much prefer straight up counter spells that leave no wiggle. Izzet Charm was actually in the initial draft of the deck, and I've considered adding it since due to it's versatility, but it never seems to make the cut haha.