Force of Negation
If it's not your turn, you may exile a blue card from your hand rather than pay this spell's mana cost.
Counter target noncreature spell. If that spell is countered this way, exile it instead of putting it into its owner's graveyard.
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Force of Negation Discussion
1 week ago
2 weeks ago
I'm not sure about cards that specifically disallow "wishing" in cards from outside of the game, but typically wish decks are a bit slower. For that reason, cheap counterspells ( Spell Pierce , Force of Negation , Mystical Dispute , Negate , Dovin's Veto , Spell Snare , etc) are often effective.
Alternatively, just go faster!
What are his actual win conditions? Depending on your colors, there's tons of good removal in modern to hit creatures. Fatal Push , Bloodchief's Thirst , Heartless Act , even cheap things like Doom Blade or Go for the Throat if you want budget options. Path to Exile , Oust , Condemn , and of course sweepers like Wrath of God , Damnation , Supreme Verdict , Extinction Event , etc
It really depends on what his deck is specifically trying to do, and also what kind of deck you'd like to play.
1 month ago
Went up against what I assume was a Time Vault / Manifold Key combo. I can’t recall my opening hand perfectly but my opponent lead with Underground Sea and Mox Jet into Ponder and Imperial Seal . I could have countered something but my general rule of thumb is to counter what is tutored rather than the tutor. Land, go. They mana rock into Timetwister which I assume is what they tutored as it would shuffle away anything else. I hit that with a Force of Negation and took the turn. Land, go. From there it was much slower. I got out Teferi, Time Raveler on turn 3 and Dovin, Hand of Control the following turn. Countered a Demonic Tutor and responded with Dack Fayden . Dack pulled us into a follow up Jace, the Mind Sculptor . At that point, they were low enough that we could ride Jace’s to deck management, maintaining our counters until Narset, Parter of Veils and Kasmina, Enigma Sage . We continued to keep our opponents top deck and our own managed, eventually completing the crew with Oko, Thief of Crowns coming down for an additional Fractal. Our opponent managed to pull a Tinker while we took the turn off but we had plenty of counters ready at that point and was able to stave off and go in the lethal offensive.
1 month ago
Hey! Your decklist looks great, it has all of the essential parts down pat (cheap/evasive creatures, powerful ninjas and lots of topdeck manipulation). You could definitely play it as-is, even if it's been a while! But I also want to mention some ideas that I have for potential cuts/additions:
Deep-Sea Kraken : Very unlikely to hard cast, and you can probably win the game before removing all its suspend counters. Instead, you could play Blinkmoth Infusion or Draco , which are equally uncastable, but deal more damage.
Conspiracy and Xenograft : I played these for a long time, but ended up cutting them in favour of more extra turn spells, which are more consistent for closing out the game. My favourites to play in Yuriko are Temporal Mastery which can easily be a Time Walk , and Temporal Trespass which can be cast for UUU, but deals 11 damage.
Bolas's Citadel : A bit of a nonbo in Yuriko decks, which generally want to play super-efficient, high cmc spells. I don't have a direct replacement in mind, but I'll include more suggestions at the end.
Massacre and Toxic Deluge : Yuriko needs creatures on the board more than most decks, so I generally don't play boardwipes that destroy creatures. I prefer to play something like Evacuation or Devastation Tide so I don't lose them permanently.
Teferi's Veil : I'm kinda unsure how this synergizes with Yuriko. Could you let me know if I'm missing something? I'm not super familiar with phasing.
Universal Automaton : A very simple, yet effective ninja
Sorry this got so long, I hope all of my points made sense! Feel free to let me know what you think! Thanks again for the kind words about my primer!
1 month ago
I'm definitely not up to date with the cEDH meta, but I have a few suggestions that I think are just better cards:
You definitely should be running more interaction, especially in these colors. I'd recommend trying to fit in at least some of the following: Swan Song , Force of Negation , Flusterstorm , Mental Misstep , Opposition Agent , Pyroblast , Red Elemental Blast . If I had to make cuts, I'd start with the Mycosynth Lattice / Nevinyrral's Disk combo, which is slow; Open the Vaults and Refurbish since you don't have much self-mill to make these a speedier option for getting a combo out; and either the Time Sieve / Thopter Assembly combo because it's slow or the Felidar Guardian / Saheeli Rai combo because you don't have many ways to find it and neither piece is especially useful on its own.
I hope this helps! In general I think paring down the list to support 1-2 combo lines using Breya, then shoring up the protection for that combo, will serve you well.
1 month ago
I have looked at cEDH and often thought what it would take. From the looks of it, you are looking at a The First Sliver + Food Chain for cEDH sliver fun. I also think your interaction and counter magic needs to be on point for it think Force of Will , Force of Negation , Mana Drain , Fierce Guardianship etc. Probably also looking at OG duals and full set of fetches. Just a bit too rich for my blood lol. Oh, and then you got your fast mana like Chrome Mox , Mox Opal , Mox Diamond and Mana Crypt etc. Only way I'm doing all of that, is through proxies lol
1 month ago
My playgroup agreed on not using permanent proxies to keep the power level as is, but I'll definitely grab the more expensive fetches, I'm just waiting for the reprint coming up in Modern Horizons 2 :) I'm also currently trying to grab a Mana Crypt and Mana Drain locally but it's proving harder than expected.
You are completly right about Song of the Dryads and Walker of Secret Ways I guess there are still some situations where it could be useful returning Yuriko to my hand but that realization admittedly made it a lot worse, makes me a bit unsure about committing to that switch.
Great to hear that we seem to agree on Abjure Mystic Reflection I'll try to find some space for those as soon as I can get my hands on them Varragoth, Bloodsky Sire may just be too slow, you are right. I often forget just how fast Yuriko can be, it may just be good in a lower powered Yuriko deck. Nether Traitor Is kind of in the same boat as well, and quite frankly I wouldn't be sure what to cut for it either.
You seem to have a very firm grip on what to switch out for new cards, since my decklist is so close to yours it's super nice for you to let me pick your brain about it, again it really is much appreciated! Since this is probably my strongest deck by a pretty good margin and it's already very optimized I think I need to be careful about how I approach new inclusions.
I'm really hoping I'll be able to get some more games in soon, I miss flipping Dracos and Blinkmoth Infusions! Maybe I should finally figure out a setup to play some games online at some point.
1 month ago
Anyways, if wotc printed Sorcery, tutor instant/sorcery, they'd break cEDH permanently. Grixis Ad Naus, likely Kess Turbo Naus and Rograkh x Silas Renn Turbo Naus, would be the absolute best deck. I mean, they already have 6 2 mana or less tutors. Add this, Wishclaw, Grim and maybe even Cruel, and you have 9 really efficient tutors. That's after considering the fact that Kess is one of the better decks anyways, and Turbo Naus is the prevalent strategy(one that already wants black and blue for Sushi and red for dockside and breach).
Additionally, it would immediately go into Legacy and Vintage storm decks and would make the decks incredibly playable, and if it's in modern it would bring storm back with a vengeance.
Could they print a 3 mana version? Maybe. Just maybe. Especially if it costs life and has some sort of Gamble effect. Could they print a 4 mana version that's an instant? 100%.