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Vault of Whispers
(Vault of Whispers isn't a spell.)
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Vault of Whispers Discussion
1 month ago
1 month ago
I don't understand what these cards do for you. Wheel of Fortune Fevered Visions Well of Ideas Zur's Weirding Dire Fleet Hoarder Jace's Archivist Pitiless Plunderer Howling Mine Temple Bell Venser's Journal Revitalize Minds Aglow
Maybe add: Metalworker Voltaic Key Forcefield Ethersworn Canonist Phyrexian Metamorph Karn, Silver Golem Tidehollow Sculler Mindslaver Vault of Whispers Hex Parasite Crawlspace Ancient Den Vedalken Orrery Batterskull Clock of Omens Triskelion Time Sieve Scourglass Stuffy Doll Nim Deathmantle Magister Sphinx Worldslayer Norn's Annex Darksteel Forge Tidehollow Strix Soul Conduit Darksteel Myr Sol Ring War Report Mycosynth Lattice
Oh, and land.
1 month ago
Alright, let's get down to it! Anje Falkenrath is relatively new and I'm not yet sold on her validity as a vampire commander. My primary hang up is the overall weakness of madness as a mechanic. It is still critically underrepresented on cards, and of those that do exist only a handful are actually any good. I'm not saying it can't be done, just that I am skeptical that it can compete with existing vampire archetypes.
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I try and avoid tap lands at all costs if possible. When running a low-to-the-ground deck like this, the loss of tempo from a tap land can be more damaging than the loss of color availability. In addition, I would discourage the use of artifact lands unless you are going for a specific artifact theme. This is simply because artifact lands are easier to destroy than regular lands and aren't worth the risk with literally no benefit in this particular list.
- Ancient Ziggurat
- Blood Crypt
- Bloodstained Mire
- Graven Cairns
- Luxury Suite
- Path of Ancestry
- Unclaimed Territory
- Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
I feel that any of these lands would be strong adds to your list. While some of the cards are a bit on the pricey side, I do feel they would improve the flow and power level of the deck.
- Bloodcrazed Neonate
- Bloodhall Priest
- Bloodsworn Steward
- Erdwal Ripper
- Falkenrath Reaver
- Heir of Falkenrath Flip
- Incorrigible Youths
- Markov Crusader
- Stromkirk Mentor
Many of these creatures are either too costly or too under-powered for this format. It is important to remember that in EDH, efficiency is key. I would discourage playing any creature that falls short of the formula (Power+Toughness)/2=Converted Mana Cost (e.g. A 2/2 for two mana or better) unless it is especially crucial for your deck to function.
In addition impact is crucial. Bloodhall Priest for example is fairly costed, but doesn't do enough to advance your board state for the cost.
- Champion of Dusk
- Cordial Vampire
- Dusk Legion Zealot
- Malakir Bloodwitch
- Stromkirk Occultist
- Twilight Prophet
- Vicious Conquistador
These creatures are all what I would describe as impactful or highly efficient. When I mean impactful, cards like Malakir Bloodwitch make a big splash when they hit and are still relevant after the fact due to their efficient bodies. In terms of efficiency, Vicious Conquistador can put in a lot of work in the early game as a cheap, go-wide card.
I don't have any good tips for adds here, but I would encourage you to look for modal or mass effect type cards for this category.
These all seem like good choices to me and many of them double as potential madness triggers essentially negating their downsides.
Basilisk Collar is a solid equipment, but this is neither a voltron nor combo build that can effectively utilize it. I like Eldrazi Monument for its power; however, you lack the ability to produce enough fodder to sustain it long-term. Finally, Rakdos Cluestone is simply outclassed by other mana rocks, most notably my suggestion Talisman of Indulgence .
Herald's Horn is just a good card in any tribal deck and I would highly recommend it!
My overall impression is that you've got a decent base here, but have made several choices that I see a lot of new EDH players make in their early decks. In general, you could use more card draw and I would encourage you to take a look at EDHREC or other vampire decks on here for inspiration in terms of what kinds of effects truly shine in EDH versus other formats.
1 month ago
So, I have a couple suggestions. I found this deck under the 'help' tab, but your description doesn't ask for help. So please forgive me if I sound presumptuous.
Preordain . Ponder and Brainstorm are already in your deck, and Preordain will help dig to lands if you need them, and past lands if you don't. One-mana cantrips are some of the best cards for getting a deck more powerful. Importantly, running more cantrips means that you can cut a land or two, meaning your deck will have a higher average card power.
Your mana-base has room for improvement. Watery Grave is great, especially if you end up running fetch lands. Zendikar/Onslaught fetches like Polluted Delta or Misty Rainforest are easily the best fetches, but slow-type like Bad River and Rocky Tar Pit can also be useful. Also, consider Prismatic Vista . With a high concentration of land-based shuffle effects, Brainstorm becomes more and more powerful. Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse are good substitutes. Sunken Hollow and Fetid Pools are also fetch-able. Other duals, like Underground River , Morphic Pool and Choked Estuary are also good.
In non-green EDH decks, artifact ramp is of prime importance. Talisman of Dominance , Fellwar Stone , Mind Stone and Thought Vessel are all great. Two-mana rocks are significantly better than three-mana rocks in EDH, as by the time you have three mana you usually want to do more powerful things than cast a rock. Additionally, if you end up running Ancient Tomb or Mana Crypt (which are hard to get ahold of), you can land a two-mana rock turn-one. Mana Vault also happens to be busted.
In magic, it happens that it's a LOT easier to exile your deck than an opponent's. Jace, Wielder of Mysteries works great in Doomsday -style decks; if you're smarter than me, you can probably use Doomsday to tutor up your infinite mana combo. More simply, you can just cast Demonic Consultation with Jace, Wielder of Mysteries on the table, naming a card not in your deck (I generally use Atog or Singing Tree ), and then draw a card to win. So you may want to include Demonic Consultation and/or Doomsday , the latter if you have a lot of power in the brain-thingy.
I see you're running Ashiok, Dream Render ; I love that card. Narset, Parter of Veils is also worth running, especially if you choose to include Windfall . Narset's been kicking ass in Vintage recently, and I have found her to be completely nuts in EDH.
I may be missing something, but I am unsure as to why you're running Seat of the Synod and Vault of Whispers . If you had a Mox Opal in the list they might make more sense, but as things stand I think they're just worse than Island s and Swamp s. Back to Basics , Blood Moon , Magus of the Moon , By Force , Null Rod , Stony Silence and Collector Ouphe are all rampant in EDH (at least in my experience), so I think you'd be better off cutting the artifact-lands.
Vision Skeins is an interesting include; you may be interested in running Words of Wisdom , which gets your opponents less out of the card. Also, if you run Notion Thief , the card is pure value. Note also that Vision Skeins becomes Words of Wisdom if you have Narset, Parter of Veils out.
Ovinize is worse than Rapid Hybridization or Pongify , in my opinion. I think you should run two to three boardwipes -- Cyclonic Rift , Toxic Deluge and Damnation are the best ones, I think, with Toxic Deluge on top (you can cast it while Gaddock Teeg is down).
Demonic Tutor is the best tutor, and Scheming Symmetry is good in a deck heavy in mill effects. There're some other good tutors to consider, of varying price: Vampiric Tutor , Diabolic Tutor , Fabricate (to get Isochron Scepter ), Mystical Tutor (for your Dramatic Reversal ), Dark Petition , Beseech the Queen , Mastermind's Acquisition and Lim-Dul's Vault are all good. Ideally, you wouldn't include the four-mana tutors, since they tend to take a whole turn to resolve. I suggest running around two or three more tutors than you have now.
There're a couple of ways to generate card-advantage that I think are worth including in a final list of this deck. I'm not entirely certain how the deck plays, but if you have Oona, Queen of the Fae out frequently without an infinite-mana combo, Skullclamp is definitely worth including. Sticking it on one of your faerie tokens means butt-loads of card-advantage. Slate of Ancestry is similarly good if you tend to have a high creature-count. Fact or Fiction and Chemister's Insight are alright instant-speed card-draw. Phyrexian Arena is a good piece of permanent-based card-draw, and Dark Confidant , if you have access to it, is great with your low average CMC. Speaking of low CMC, Ad Nauseam is a great card-draw spell; I recommend including it for the high-value card-draw.
If you want to pour money in here, Cavern of Souls is a great way to make sure your general isn't countered.
There're a few counterspells you don't have that I think you might find useful. Counterspell itself is good, and it's far pricier cousin, Mana Drain , is also great. Spell Snare , Swan Song and Flusterstorm are all great counters as well. Turn Aside is one I've thought about but never used... you may want to consider it.
If you choose to keep mainly basics and avoid the duals mentioned in (2), consider Back to Basics . The card is under $10 nowadays, and it's a great way to punish greedy mana bases.
Ok! That's all I got. Good luck, man!
4 months ago
Darksteel Forge = $20
Just some thoughts. My rec would be the first one, especially the mana base. Chromatic Lantern is a must for the Trips. (Prices per tcgplayer)
4 months ago
, there are enough Swamp substitutes. Instead of 9 Swamps and 1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, you can run the following:
1x Snow-Covered Swamp
1x Cabal Pit
1x Ifnir Deadlands
1x Shizo, Death's Storehouse
1x Tomb of Urami
1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1x Vault of Whispers
1x Gemstone Caverns or Gemstone Mine
Of course, most of these are worse than swamps, but they turn Tainted Pact on
4 months ago
Lotus Petal could definitely be good in this deck Garchomp98. If I were going to add it I would probably cut the Vault of Whispers , one Plains , the Scale of Chiss-Goria , and one Tooth of Chiss-Goria . This deck is certainly capable of running with sixteen lands and with the added Lotus Petal I would think you can get away with fifteen. I think the Vault of Whispers comes out before Darksteel Citadel because Vault of Whispers is really only in the deck to maybe cast Vault Skirge without paying the life. On the other hand Darksteel Citadel having indestructible is important when facing cards like Gorilla Shaman . The Scale and the Tooth are also definitely two of the weaker cards in the deck.
4 months ago
marn3us: I suggest removing Ancient Den , Vault of Whispers , Great Furnace and Seat of the Synod . My experience with the artifact lands has not been good, as (at least in my meta) Stony Silence , Null Rod , Back to Basics and Blood Moon are all over the place. However, even if this is not the case, artifact lands still die to any Shatter effect, meaning that they are especially vulnerable with little upside. In a deck like this, I don't think hitting a critical mass of artifacts will be an issue, so I think the three on-color slow fetches would be good instead. I also advise running at least one off-color slow fetch, probably Grasslands because you have more white than red, because it will still fetch your Hallowed Fountain and Godless Shrine , making it effectively a dual land. If you don't want to run off-color fetches, I advise adding another shock of a color combination you don't have yet, like Sacred Foundry or Blood Crypt .
Vault of Whispers occurrence in decks from the last year
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