Disciple of the Vault
Creature — Human Cleric
Whenever an artifact is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, you may have target opponent lose 1 life.
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
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Disciple of the Vault Discussion
6 days ago
You can't respond to the Legend rule being in effect correct? Like, would I be able to sacrifice Sharuum to the Altar at any point during the interaction?
Like, I have Metamorph in the graveyard. I cast Sharuum. I target Metamorph. Use metamorph's ability to make a copy of Sharuum.
At this point, the legend rules takes precedence over everything else, correct? So I have to choose which sharuum I wish to keep, correct? I would want to keep the copy because the next ability to go on the stack would be the new "sharuum" ability?
I would use the ability to target Sharuum and the chain would start over. I understand how I can bomberman people with Reckless Fireweaver , Disciple of the Vault , Marionette Master or even mill with Altar of the Brood but, I am wondering if it is possible to use this loop with Altar of Dementia ?
Also, you had mentioned earlier in the thread that it could be infinite mill/mana? How does tha mana part play into this combo? Would it not be the same issue if you were trying to use Ashnod's Altar or KCI?
Also, Coumie thank you so much for the primer! I love it and it has inspired me to try and write my own guide for Breya.
3 weeks ago
4 weeks ago
slowsti Thank you for the suggestions! I'm going to be playing the deck quite a bit for the first time this weekend so I will definitely be able to tell what it is missing and where I can improve it.
As for Exquisite Bond, I've always been on the fence with that card only because I usually play multiplayer EDH games (3-4 players) and when this card comes onto the battlefield you immediately become target #1. I do agree though that a life gain/drain combo would be a good alternate win con addition to this deck.
But when my friend built this deck, I don't think he was going for a life gain/drain theme. Food tokens can be used as a source for life gain but I believe he was utilizing them more as an artifact sacrifice outlet for other cards like Marionette Master , Moriok Rigger , Mazirek, Kraul Death Priest , and Disciple of the Vault . With that said, a life gain/drain sub theme could be implemented with just a few of the cards you suggested above which I will definitely consider!
There is already 4 target creature removal spells and 1 board wipe but if I play this weekend and there isn't enough removal I will definitely look into adding more. Also Ravenous Chupacabra and Herald of Anguish are in the deck list as removal in the form of creatures.
One of my favorite themes for decks is graveyard recursion and when I'm not playing a deck with recursion there is nothing more I hate than having to discard cards haha so I will definitely be adding more recursion to this deck. But Cauldron Familiar + Witch's Oven is a great recursion combo which I may improve by adding Ashnods alter to the deck.
Thank you again for the suggestions!
1 month ago
Hey Patrick, just wanted to say I love the content you're putting out, and you've really inspired me to start to look into Higher Power/cEDH decks to build for myself, my first high powered deck last year actually being a budget version of your Teshar list. Your videos are on repeat for me either in the background while I write papers. I would love to join the Patreon and support you, but I barely have enough funds to play magic even right now so that's out of the picture. All I can offer to you is my thanks is the statement that you're probably my favorite MTG YouTuber!
Please don't feel like you have to read any of the following, it's just my ramblings/a few questions but it may be a long read so I won't be offended if you don't read it, as I know you don't typically keep budget cards in mind persay. Also hey, if leaving a comment can maybe help this awesome deck of yours to get more traction/attention on tappedout for whatever reason, even better.
I've been building my own Belbe list over the last few days and I had a few questions about potential cards to include? I don't always play in a cEDH meta really but have some really close to cEDH decks like a more 75% Brago, a Malcolm, Keen-Eyed Navigator + Vial Smasher the Fierce Curiosity control, and Godo Helm fairly often. I'm hoping to transition more towards cEDH in general and with this deck in particular.
As a college student with no real source of income right now I'm a bit low on funds and we don't typically use proxies in my group, so I don't particularly know if this is a good spot to ask about budget alternatives to the Mike Trike combo, but I figured I might as well give it a shot. I've watched the Cold Brew and the deck tech, but if I forget if you mentioned something from them I apologize when asking about a few cards. Do you have any particularly budget combos you would suggest that maybe you tried during testing? I recall you talking about Gravecrawler loops in the Cold Brew, and I'm thinking of maybe some of those combos as with the Bontu's Monument , Pitiless Plunderer and Carrion Feeder (already in my list) would be a solid win I feel.
Currently I'm mainly running a Protean Hulk line of Disciple of the Vault , Carrion Feeder / Viscera Seer , Melira, Sylvok Outcast , and Lesser Masticore for infinite drain. My meta doesn't run much GY hate so I'm feeling decent with this, but losing one piece usually leads to waffling out. I know you mentioned a Phyrexian Delver line so I may look more into that, maybe getting it and and a one drop sac outlet first plus Putrid Goblin / Blood Artist with the leftover mana for the second Hulk trigger? I'm unsure if that's way too clunky, but I'll have to see.
My back up win is currently a Necrotic Ooze line or two, but not Triskelion / Phyrexian Devourer lines as both together are like, over $60 which is money I can't really shell out right now. Right now I'm doing Devoted Druid + Channeler Initiate and Priest of Titania + Pili-Pala lines for infinite mana of any color. Only current outlet I really have is Walking Ballista , which while good, I can't always rely on with all the artifact hate in my groups. I was thinking of adding more creature outlets maybe as they're easier for me to tutor (only black tutor I have is Diabolic Intent since I was able to trade up for one) Perhaps Ezuri, Renegade Leader since I have Belbe and other dorks (10 Elves Total) or Kamahl, Fist of Krosa as overrun effects that I can sink infinite into? Or maybe something like Tergrid, God of Fright Flip to use the back side for an infinite Torment of Hailfire effect?
There were also one or two cards I wanted to ask you about, just to see if you thought they were decent enough to run in the list.
Bolas's Citadel is something I'm trying to run in my current list. It's been fairly diffuclt to get out with 3 black pips, but with Dark Ritual (which may be cut soon I'm unsure) it's been a nice thing to have, especially when I've been testing Aetherflux Reservoir with it? Maybe add a Sensei's Divining Top (something out of my budget in general, but I do have someone willing to trade me one) for a storm win? I feel like that could be a cool win con that makes use of colorless mana, and the pieces in general aren't bad outside the combo? I do think that with the high CMC of the deck, I will take a ton of damage of Citadel, but I think hitting a few pingers/dorks in a row and just gaining some life might be good actually? I'd love some feedback on that.
Decree of Pain has been working wonders for me. I know Culling Ritual was a godsend, and its a very amazing card in Belbe, but if my meta is very creature dependant I thought I needed more mass removal than just Ugin, the Spirit Dragon and Culling Ritual . Toxic Deluge is a bit out of my range right now, so I was trying this and even if it is mana intensive, I think it's a very good card depending on your meta since it can be Cycled for 5 to kill all 2 or less tougness things? The cycling saved me once or twice against a Najeela deck with counter magic known to the table to be up. On the other hand while it costs 8, I've mostly payed for it with Belbe mana and drawn upwards of 6 cards off it.
Chalice of the Void I was able to trade for this and have been enjoying putting it on 0 for the Underworld Breach lines the Malcolm list uses in particular, or to even shut off some 3 cmc commanders after getting Belbe mana. Would it be better to trade this for another stax piece or two such as Static Orb or tanglewire?
Sorry for the long post. I hope you have a good day!
2 months ago
There's the old KCI combo with Krark-Clan Ironworks , Scrap Trawler , Myr Retriever and any 0 mana rock or mana positive rock. There's also Ashnod's Altar , Nim Deathmantle , and Eldrazi Displacer combos involving your commander Breya that go infinite. You've got Time Sieve and Thopter Assembly as well as Sword of the Meek and Thopter Foundry . Skullclamp is great in general. You've got Pili-Pala and Grand Architect combos to use. Painter's Servant and Grindstone . Rings of Brighthearth , Zirda, the Dawnwaker , or Power Artifact get infinite mana with Grim Monolith or Basalt Monolith . For infinite sacrifice outlets, you can use Grinding Station , Blasting Station , or Disciple of the Vault . Since you're running black and red, you have access to combos with Worldgorger Dragon and Animate Dead , Dance of the Dead , or Necromancy (goes great with a sacrifice outlet out, too). Altar of the Brood may work well in a list you make. You can even do Dualcaster Mage with Ghostly Flicker and get infinite thopters with your commander and infinite mana to sacrifice them all to kill your opponents. Those are just some combos I came up with on the top of my head.
2 months ago
A fairly popular combo that comes up in Marionette Master decks is to use multiple copies of Myr Retriever with Heartless Summoning for infinite death triggers. Technically, Bastion of Remembrance , Falkenrath Noble , and Syr Konrad, the Grim are some other cards that can accomplish the same thing as Master, as are ETB triggers like on Impact Tremors or Altar of the Brood . Since Summoning has anti-synergy with the other 1/1s in the deck, I probably wouldn't add more than 1 or 2 but it's something to consider. Otherwise, Disciple of the Vault provides great redundancy for the more expensive puppeteer.
3 months ago
Disciple of the Vault sees all artifacts, your's and your opponents. Biggest one that comes to mind being treasure tokens
3 months ago
Why: Sword is good AF don't get wrong, but the ability to get the lands you need/ want out weights to me the benefits of sword
Why: Disciple sees the whole board, and combos with the lotus petal infinite line within the deck itself
Why: Homeward Path will be replacing what functionally im using Shepherd for(defense against other Tergrid decks), secondly Massacre Wurm applies more pressure, is great against token strategies, and has a pressure cooker kind of weight to it in the deck which helps with killing opponents
Why: Defense against other Tergrid Decks, as well as Soul-Guide Lantern does this job better