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- Is a creature a creature on the stack?
- if someone attacks for lethal regardless of blocks but your blockers have a death trigger that deals damage that is lethal to your opponent, do you draw, or who wins?
- Nim Deathmantle vs Child of Alara
- Marionette Master and Unlicensed Disintegration stack interaction
- Marionette Master and Cranial Plating
Creature — Human Artificer
Fabricate 3 (When this creature enters the battlefield, put three +1/+1 counters on this or create three 1/1 colorless Servo artifact creature tokens.)
Whenever an artifact you control is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, target opponent loses life equal to this creature's power.
1 day ago
So, Shirei as a deck, has one fatal issue you gotta overcome:
If Shirei dies, so does your entiiiiiiire gameplan, so protecting Shirei is absolutely a must.
I see you're running some indestructible-enabling equipments. Darksteel Plate is... okay, but Shield of Kaldra should probably be scrapped. That's 8 mana you gotta dump into it for it to do its thing.
I would run more cards like Professor's Warning, Without Weakness, or Gift of Doom (which is especially fun since you don't care about saccing creatures, and you'll always play it for its morph cost, which is 3 generic. Not too bad at all.)
These let you survive removal which WILL be pointed at your commander, while also trading the expensive benefit of having continuous indestructible applied to Shirei, for the chance to make your opponents WASTE removal on you.
A Darksteel Plate is great and all, but it gives other players all the time in the world to try and play around it, and THEN blow up Shirei. Reactionary protection lets you waste their resources, which is fun.
Also, this is my own personal view on the game talking, but I think you have WAAAAAAAAAY too many tutors. Your entire sorcery/instant lineup is tutors, and then a few more.
I think you'd be better off replacing almost all of those cards, with cards that you'd be happy to draw anyways, because as soon as every card in your deck is a good draw, you really won't need those tutors.
Ideally you'll want to add more sac outlets, more Shirei protection/ramp, and DEFINITELY some instant-speed removal.
I might add more thoughts later, but uh, laaaast thing.
Marionette Master is INSANE and is capable of dealing like 50~ damage or so to a player in just one turn rotation. So uh, yeah lol.
Also Tree of Perdition is fun.
And Bottle Gnomes best card 10/10
1 month ago
I was never able to use Torment of Hailfire, it is too expensive $ wise. But I did land on it as one of the few X spells that had potential of ending every player at once either by loss of life, them quitting, or them loosing their board state and you swinging in. What I've found is that if you are going to spend all/most your treasure for an ALPHA strike, it needs to kill everyone. This is the main weakness to cards like Marionette Master as an ALPHA striker; they deplete your treasure reserves for only 1 kill then leave you in a hard place to come back from. I once was forced to use Marionette Master to kill a single player (36 dmg ALPHA strike); he was about to board wipe everything including artifacts. Everyone's eyes went wide open when they witnessed the power of Prosper first hand! I however then proceeded to loose the game because that attack took too to much momentum (treasures) which I could not recover from while the others were unaffected. I don't believe Torment of Hailfire will have this problem.
Exsanguinate is crazy because it drains each opponent but also gives you life. But, it obviously scales with a bigger player count. In a 4 player game, you'd drain each opponent for X and gain 4X life from the transaction. It's nice to gain some life when black usually makes you spend so much of it.
2 months ago
Update: -Marionette Master / +Cyberdrive Awakener -Machine God's Effigy / +Imotekh the Stormlord -Blasphemous Act / +Their Name is Death -Disciple of the Vault / +Steel Overseer -Reverse Engineer / +Losheel, Clockwork Scholar -Bedevil / +Void Rend -Temple of Malice / +Cryptothrall -Temple of Enlightenment / +Optimus Prime, Hero Flip -Temple of Deceit / +Thirst for Knowledge -Temple of Epiphany / +Shivan Reef
Notes: I chose Cryptothrall over Spellskite because they serve the same function, to protect your stuff, but Cryptothrall requires less effort. I put in Optimus because I wanted to experiment with him. Lastly, I'm keeping Austere Command in the deck since I like to have a board wipe that hits enchantments and artifacts.
2 months ago
Hey, interesting version, but you're building your deck with combo mindset without having the last combo piece to win... Building this way could hinder gameplay since you don't want to win with combo? If you're avoiding infinite combos then I presume attacking is main wincon? Consider more effects to make Breya a better attacker and adding board wipe(s) that don't destroy artifact creatures? These wipes pair extremely well with Biotransference.
- Cyberdrive Awakener --> Marionette Master
- Imotekh the Stormlord --> Machine God's Effigy
- Organic Extinction --> Blasphemous Act
- Steel Overseer --> Disciple of the Vault
- Their Name is Death --> Austere Command
- Losheel, Clockwork Scholar --> Reverse Engineer
- Cranial Plating --> Mycosynth Wellspring
If reanimating and recurring artifacts is a strategy then consider Imotekh the Stormlord? It also can make Breya a good attacker, 6/6 with menace. Marionette Master and Disciple of the Vault are subpar if they aren't the wincon of a combo. They can only hit one opponent at a time which is not as good outside of combo compared to Reckless Fireweaver who hits each opponent and Mayhem Devil who can hit any target.
Consider cutting a few lands? The Tri lands, Bridges and Temples all in the same manabase is a lot of lands that always ETB tapped. Of these the Temples are the lesser lands since Bridges are artifacts and Tri lands more color fixing.
- Spellskite --> Temple of Malice
- Counterspell --> Temple of Enlightenment
- Thirst for Knowledge --> Temple of Deceit
- Shivan Reef --> Temple of Epiphany
- Void Rend --> Bedevil
Good luck with your deck.
2 months ago
Hey, well done so far. I agree, Szarekh is less good as Commander. Imotekh can be a combo piece for infinite Necrons, that makes it better as Commander.
Szarekh seems good in the 99 though when playing Imotekh as Commander, could put artifacts in your graveyard and if you return an artifact to your hand that you milled it triggers Imotekh. Szarekh flying in combination with Imotekh's menace pump making it 5/6 and playing so many other artifacts it can consistently trigger to create Necrons.
For some cuts to get to 100 cards consider streamline the high CMC cards? The avg. CMC is high at rounded up 3.5, reducing this average can help gameplay. The best here are Wurmcoil Engine, Marionette Master, Bolas's Citadel, Their Name is Death, Noxious Gearhulk. Honestly, you could cut the others, 6 CMC or more, to reduce the mana curve.
Wurmcoil, Marionette, Triplicate Titan and Phyrexian Triniform all combo with Altar + Deathmantle. I don't think you need four huge creatures who do this. Cutting Triniform and Triplicate will not change strategy much as they're the weaknest of the four.
Some cards to consider cutting:
- Triplicate Titan and Phyrexian Triniform
- Hexmark Destroyer: only a beater, doesn't do anything else.
- Darksteel Juggernaut: only a beater, doesn't do anything else.
- Traxos, Scourge of Kroog: only a beater, doesn't do anything else.
- Diamond Mare: can get life gain from better sources.
- Phyrexian Fleshgorger: only a beater, isn't needed since you have Wurmcoil.
- Shard of the Void Dragon: triggers only on attack making it slow value for a 7 drop.
- Ugin, the Ineffable: there's too many black cards here that don't get the mana cost reduction including Imotekh.
- Batterskull: good with Stoneforge Mystic and when you can reduce equip costs, without it's subpar.
- Technomancer: fine ETB trigger, but only reanimates artifact creatures, that makes it less good than it could be. You reanimate all creatures total 6 CMC at once, with Imotekh you only create two Necrons.
Some improvements within your budget, consider more lower mana cost repeatable ways to trigger Imotekh?
- Tortured Existence --> Entreat the Dead
- Szarekh, the Silent King --> Skorpekh Destroyer
- Scarecrone --> Royal Warden
Tortured Existence, if you have two artifact creatures in hand you can alternate discarding and putting into hand each time triggering Imotekh for . Scarecrone can reanimate an artifact creature at instant speed.
Others to consider.
- Diabolic Intent (reprinted in BRO) --> Mind's Eye
- Sculpting Steel --> Mirrorworks
- Swiftfoot Boots --> Sword of the Animist
- Feed the Swarm --> Tragic Slip
- Dark Ritual --> Ghouls' Night Out
- War Room --> Temple of the False God
- Phyrexia's Core --> Barren Moor
Good luck with your deck.
3 months ago
Hello friend! I have some suggestions! I had way too much time today, so here you go.
Anointed Procession double the treasures, double the constructs, double the fun.
Inspiring Statuary is going to make all of your spells cheaper without making you sacrifice artifacts.
Oni-Cult Anvil is going to go hand-in-hand with your commander by making all of these tokens.
Grim Hireling does make a lot more treasures, it’s going to be more useful as super annoying removal.
Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast isn’t budget, but one murder a turn is a good deal.
Ghirapur AEther Grid is super good. When you have untapped tokens, why not use them?
Dockside Extortionist makes so many treasures, aaaaah! But, y’know, also stupid expensive.
Seize the Spotlight is a way to hold your opponent’s creatures hostage! And since there are plenty of sacrifice outlets, you can just throw it away after you’re done with it.
The Reaver Cleaver is gold. Yes to all of this. Trample and +1/+1 is alright, but the loads of tokens will be really sweet.
Blood Money is a board wipe, but you get even more treasures afterwards.
Monologue Tax makes three more treasures a round, more or less.
Bolas's Citadel can be a wincon on its own.
Descent into Avernus is some snazzy treasure creation, but also pretty dangerous. Use with care!
Black Market Connections gives you pretty much whatever you need at the moment.
Ancient Copper Dragon makes a million treasures, plus he's a dragon.
Hoard Hauler can protect a weaker creature that you can’t attack with and still get you more tokens.
Prosperous Partnership is extremely useful when on the defensive. If you must have all of your big bad creatures untapped on your opponent’s combat, then you’re wasting potential! Just marry some of your creatures, they won’t mind.
Trove of Temptation forces your opponents into a potentially uncomfortable position while giving you treasures in the meanwhile.
Storm-Kiln Artist is a good ground defender, since it’ll kill most whatever is thrown at it, but it’ll also make plenty of tokens!
Fake Your Own Death revives a creature and gives you a treasure.
Sudden Breakthrough is a buff with first strike that makes an extra treasure.
Sticky Fingers gets you tokens when you attack.
Treasure Vault is here for obvious reasons. Pump it with enough mana and you’re set for life.
Ancient Den, Great Furnace, and Vault of Whispers aren’t treasure tokens, but they are artifacts, which is just going to give you a little boost to some of your mechanics and means that you can tutor them with cards that weren’t intended for such.
Smoke Spirits' Aid seems useless… Unless you board wipe after. Could be lots of damage and lots of extra treasure.
Undercity Scrounger is okay filler, if you need it.
Frogmite, Lens Flare, Scale of Chiss-Goria, Tooth of Chiss-Goria, Mycosynth Golem, Slag Strider, Furnace Dragon, and Myr Enforcer are all notable cards you could add, since they pretty much become free after a while, though mostly pretty useless.
Forsworn Paladin is pretty good token generation early game, but really shines with the second ability where it can instantly punish anyone blocking or attacking you recklessly.
Marionette Master is going to pack a punch.
Dargo, the Shipwrecker is super cheap for a 7/5 with trample.
Enraged Giant, Freejam Regent, Battle at the Bridge, Saheeli's Directive, Herald of Anguish, and Organic Extinction are all pretty solid additions, since they don’t make you sacrifice anything in exchange for it.
Leonin Elder is just one life, but when you’re playing a treasure deck, that one life will definitely add up.
Underhanded Designs is a murder or a poke engine, which is very snazzy.
Glaze Fiend is pretty scary, considering that it has trample.
Dragonspark Reactor could be a bit of removal in your back pocket or your wincon.
Arcbound Crusher’s design team didn’t anticipate just how many artifacts I was planning on throwing onto the field.
Professional Face-Breaker is just like Grim Hireling, in that it makes treasure tokens, but more importantly, it gives you something else. You get a load of impulse draw, which is really nice when you have loads of mana.
Magda, Brazen Outlaw is just an artifact tutor, really. Though, there are plenty of treasure loving dragons you could also fish for. (:
Kalain, Reclusive Painter loves treasures, giving everyone big buffs.
Swashbuckler Extraordinaire can give anything that might be sensitive to dying double strike for a big final push. That, or just give one big boy double strike.
Their Number is Legion gets you lots of life and lots of tokens.
Necron Overlord is just a worse Ghirapur, but it’s still gonna hurt.
Street Urchin is the same idea as the above.
Armix, Filigree Thrasher could be some annoying removal, especially early game.
Hellkite Igniter is a big boy that, if left unblocked, could be a one hit kill.
Feedback Bolt is a big, powerful spell. To put it simply: ouch.
Fain, the Broker can make treasures, can make +1/+1’s, and can make little spooky boys. The best type of boys. Great utility and variety overall.
Captain Lannery Storm is innocent… Until you leave her unblocked like a dummy.
Concussive Bolt can be an easy kill, letting you get as much damage as you want through.
Dispense Justice is just like saying “Fuck your voltron.”
Digsite Engineer is going to make a lot of big creatures for you.
Scrapyard Recombiner is a good tutor for you.
Scrap Trawler might be kind of annoying? Idunno how well it would work, I’ll let you judge that.
Epochrasite is great, since you can sacrifice it again and again.
Ancient Stone Idol isn’t a construct, it’s a golem, but it makes a construct.
Phyrexian Soulgorger is a big boy. Granted, if you let him live for too long he’ll eat your entire army, but for a little while, especially while you’re pumping out constructs, this is a good deal.
Indulge / Excess makes creature tokens, sure, sure, but mostly makes a lot of treasures.
Shared Animosity will give constructs a boost, but there really isn’t a specific theme across creature types aside from that, and your constructs are better used for chump blocking or just turning them into scrap. Ignore this if you’re going for more of a construct tribal sort of thing.
4 months ago
multimedia The big win con for the prosper deck I am playing against is Marionette Master and all the treasure tokens my favorite opponent gets from the cast from exile feature of her commander. It is mesmerizing to watch. Basically turns out that I need more ramp and some more removal (as you said in an early review of my deck).
It is the aggro (especially if I manage to voltron Liesa) that wins me matches. I an still losing at about 60%.
I am not necessarily looking to buff the 1v1. I want a solid, well rounded deck that I do not have to take a loan out for. I will keep an eye out for Verrak, Warped Sengir.
My big hang up right now for the deck is ramp and removal. To deal with my opponents removal, I need extra ramp as I have a 5 drop commander. I have had winning cards in hand that I could not drop because I have to keep my commander in play to make the deck work. Last match ended with me at my 3rd cast of my commander and 4 5-drop cards in hand that were integral to my win conditions. Really, Orzhov ramp is my biggest hurdle right now.
The other thing I am working on right now it to work out the identity of the deck. Liesa wants to be a lifegain deck but also a stax deck. I am trying to balance that.
5 months ago
I love it!! It self-reinforces with spells getting easier and easier to play as you go along.
That being said, what are your payoffs for this deck? Your finishers? I see a couple of cards like Marionette Master that do have a strong effect with Treasures but I'm talking something incredibly large that can serve as an ending spell.
Also, Goldspan Dragon would be OP in this deck.
Hope this helps with your deck!