Vraska's Fall
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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Alchemy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Freeform Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Historic Brawl Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Modern Beyond Horizons Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pauper Legal
Pauper Duel Commander Legal
Pauper EDH Legal
Pioneer Legal
Planar Constructed Legal
Planechase Legal
Pre-release Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Standard Legal
Standard Brawl Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Vraska's Fall

Instant

Each opponent sacrifices a creature or planeswalker and gets a poison counter.

Mortlocke on Mark Rosewater's Commentary on Poison …

4 months ago

DemonDragonJ,

As an enjoyer of the Poison mechanic another user in the previously linked thread provides (In my opinion) a satisfactory answer as to why Poison isn't harder to win with in Commander/EDH:

sjk9000 said: There’s no cEDH poison deck, which should tell you that poison doesn’t need to be made weaker or harder to win with. There are a bunch of cards that help you win quicker with less interaction

From my experience, Poison is a challenging mechanic to win with:

  1. When you are the only Poison deck at the table, your damage doesn't "stack" with other opponents making you politically isolated. When threatened, the table finds it easier to band together to eliminate the "Poison threat".

  2. Getting consistent poison counters on opponents can be a challenge without the right build. There are only 6 spells that can directly put poison counters on opponents: (Ichor Rats, Infectious Bite, Prologue to Phyresis, Vraska's Fall, Infectious Inquiry, Phyresis Outbreak). They only guarantee 1 poison counter per spell. That's not enough to outright kill an opponent unless you are fortunate enough to assemble a boardstate with reliable means of Proliferation - but that can easily be disrupted leaving you with little to no means to close out the game.

  3. Damage from poison counters does not matter until 10. This kind of touches on my first point but the fact that when you deal "damage" to an opponent - it doesn't matter. It doesn't really affect the player's decision making until those counters add up - their life total does not change nor are they actively harmed in any way. That's a massive disadvantage to the poison player at the beginning of the game.

Despite all these challenges and the hack writers who deus ex machina'd one of my favorite tribes during a war they absolutely should have won....I love Poison.

Total side tangent - why in the hell is Jace trying to win more against Phyrexia? The writers literally nerfed every aspect of New Phyrexia so the gatewatch could win. Worse yet, all those who were compleated were reverted back to their original forms off camera. What. The. Fuck. Why does Jace now want to run a victory lap for a war that was given to him only to go so far as to make Phyrexia not even exist in the first place? Eff these writers and I hope Jace becomes the Father of Machines - only then would he finally be interesting. Yeah. I said it. He's effing boring and he's not even half the man Father Yawgmoth was, or a quarter of the terrorist Urza was. Praise be to Phyrexia.

Mortlocke on The Song of Phyresis

1 year ago

Venum,

I think that the Sword of Truth and Justice is the better add over Vraska's Fall, and if you don't mind i'd like to walk through my logic on this and get your opinion. Hope you don't mind. Vraska's Fall has the big benefit of getting poison counters on players - but the edict effect becomes less beneficial as the game continues and It costs more than other similar spells (e.g. Infectious Bite and Prologue to Phyresis. The Sword of Truth and Justice requires more set up - it requires a creature on board and an extra for the equip cost. The payoff however can be significant at any point of the game. It further enhances Infect creatures but more importantly provides an additional source of +1/+1 counters. Without the sword only 2 cards in the deck can create +1/+1 counters.

On the subject of +1/+1 counters, should I try and find a spot for Ozolith, the Shattered Spire? It only has partial synergy with the deck, being only dedicated to +1/+1 counters, but it can make infect creatures lethal. What do you think?

Mortlocke on The Song of Phyresis

1 year ago

Venum,

Im currently thinking of trying to make room for Sword of Truth and Justice. Do you think cutting Vraska's Fall would be worthwhile?

Czarnian90 on Arachnophobia, Webs of Fear (Shelob)

1 year ago

I'm really glad to see your interest, and I'm happy to share my experiences and ideas here. The deck works quite well overall, so making major changes is difficult. After our last test night, I made a few adjustments and added some new cards. However, I couldn’t include everything—mostly because I honestly don’t know what to cut yet. I’ll need to play a few more games against different opponents to better identify underperforming cards.

To start, I swapped out Sentinel Spider for Skysnare Spider. Both are dear to me, but Skysnare offers better overall value. I also added Deathsprout—more removal improves defense, and fetching an extra land boosts mana ramp for my bigger spiders.

With a heavy heart, I removed Arachnus Spinner and Arachnus Web. They're fantastic for flavor, but the Web isn’t very effective, and together they take up two valuable slots.

I’ve also expanded Vraska’s influence in the deck—she now takes a place on the battlefield herself. Vraska, the Silencer brings deathtouch, shrinks the opponent’s graveyard, and generates treasures to help with ramp. As for Vraska and the slight snake theme in the deck—although I was hesitant at first, I’ve grown to like it. I can easily imagine Vraska or even Saryth working alongside spiders.

Flavor-wise, the next card might be pushing it a bit, but mechanically Greta, Sweettooth Scourge fits the deck very well. She interacts nicely with Food tokens, improves card draw, and buffs spiders.

Lastly, I added Revitalizing Repast  Flip. I couldn’t resist such a solid card—it protects Shelob or other key creatures, provides a buff, and can even support ramp.

To make room, I cut Aquastrand Spider and Scavenging Ooze. The Ooze is strong, but off-theme and not essential here.

As the final touch, I included The Swarmweaver. More tokens and spider buffs are always welcome. I removed Wilt in its place—a good card, but situational, even if it can replace itself.

In the waiting album I’ve got Broodspinner, Nyx Weaver, Graverobber Spider, Attendant of Vraska, Vraska's Fall, Back for More, You Look Upon the Tarrasque, Cairn Wanderer, and Graveshifter. Time will tell if any of them will find a home in the nest.

wallisface on I need help creating a …

2 years ago

Some thoughts:

If I were trying to build a deck like this, I'd be using the following as a base:

Metroid_Hybrid on I need help creating a …

2 years ago

Phyrexia: All is One (ONE) had three particular cards in it that effectively created a new archetype. An archetype that I have been trying to make work since the original Scars of Mirrodin block: Infect Control. However, the creature-centric nature of the poison counter mechanic made the idea effectively impossible. That is, until the cards:

  1. Prologue to Phyresis..

  2. Infectious Inquiry..

  3. Vraska's Fall..

I have seen lists with these three cards on mtgtop8 in Pauper, Standard, and Pioneer. I took what I saw and brewed my own Pauper deck and a Standard deck (that now needs to be turned into a Pioneer deck)...

But those aren't the subject of this help thread.

Right now I would like help perfecting the Modern variant that I have recently brewed in my free time, but otherwise haven't had the time/money to go out into the wild to properly test it out..

deck chart

uB Infect Control w/ Obliterator sideboard..

Modern Metroid_Hybrid

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SteelSentry on Are Free Spells Becoming Too …

2 years ago

The nontoken clause is really only being used once or twice a set at the most, because edicts are, in general, the weakest form of removal. The strongest edict without that clause was Liliana of the Veil, and she was only in control or midrange shells that were designed to kill everything and strip the opponent of resources. These same sets have had Extract a Confession which is sorcery and requires evidence to be the stronger version, Zoyowa Lava-Tongue, Tithing Blade  Flip,Vraska's Fall, Voracious Fell Beast, Pyretic Prankster  Flip, and Braids, Arisen Nightmare.

If they absolutely have to make free spells, I'm glad they have a real cost so you can't Flare turn 1 off a Khalni Garden or get a free spell with any of the long list of Young Pyromancer effects.

Formless0209 on Petrified by the Gorgussy [Primer]

2 years ago

Crow_Umbra I mean, it looks fine to me, but just by looking at it you could swap out Vraska's Fall for something like Abyssal Gatekeeper, I know why Vraskas fall is there though. Most of the cards I would suggest are already in your sideboard, except for some like Cranial Plating.

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