Caged Sun

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Legality

Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Vintage Legal

Caged Sun

Artifact

As Caged Sun enters the battlefield, choose a colour.

Creatures you control of the chosen colour have +1/+1.

Whenever a land's ability gains you one or more mana of the chosen colour, gain one additional mana of that colour.

Romer on Azusa and the Eldrazi Forest

2 months ago

Zombiemaster247: Interesting, I hadn't thought of them because individually they're not that great and getting all 3 is challenging in a singleton format. And yet... I do have a few ways to tutor up multiple lands now. I'll keep it in mind, might be a good add in the future.

Profet93:

  • Forsaken Monument is there to add an extra to a quarter of my mana sources and as a bonus, lets me gain life from a quarter of my spells. I originally had Caged Sun but realized I had so few green mana sources that it wasn't all that helpful. I suppose I could go back to Mana Reflection or even Selvala, Heart of the Wilds instead.
  • Mystic Forge I'm less into for this particular deck. I do run it in a colourless deck and in an artifact deck but here, it feels like it would work with fewer cards than Forsaken Monument does. And I don't love adding it just for that one combo with Ugin, the Ineffable

Guerric on [Primer] Helming the Host of Heaven *Update*

2 months ago

H-E-N-R-Y

Thanks! I will. I'll probably add some cards soon- I've been looking so slot in Esper Sentinel and/or Smuggler's Share, and I'd love to put Avacyn, Angel of Hope in, so those may be coming depending on how my experiences are going. I'll probably put down a few more gameplay reports too.

kookoo

I'm not running Maskwood Nexus and never have. It's on the maybe-board because someone suggested it, more for the second ability than the first. Making a changeling every turn is a way to pump out angels/counters and some may choose this, but I personally don't like changelings in this deck and as such am not running it, and probably won't. Gauntlet of Power is a good card and is very similar to Caged Sun. The reason I am not running them is that they are too mana intensive and often get destroyed before you can take advantage of them. That being said in a slower or more removal-light meta they can be amazing.

Ervefel on Itty Bitty Critty Kitty

2 months ago

Thank you for the suggestions, a couple of the ones you made were in the orginal build but decided against them for one reason or another. Like Skullclamp isn't in the deck because i dont like adding it to decks that i cant abuse it with (like i can in my Chatterfang, Squirrel General deck), as im trying to avoid Balan from dying as much i dont think i could get the full value from the card. Which is why i adding cards like Sword of Fire and Ice, Mask of Memory and Endless Atlas as they would be more reliable forms of draw.

I put Divine Reckoning in the deck over Tragic Arrogance because i wanted to advoid losing all my equipment and having to rebuild again, plus the added bonus of it being reuseable. But i agree with you that Divine Reckoning might not be good enough so i thought that Promise of Loyalty might be a better fit as it gets around indestructible with the sac effect like Tragic Arrogance does but also means i get to keep my equipment and protects me from the creatures that survive.

Steelshaper's Gift was going to be in the deck orginally but i switched it with Enlightened Tutor instead as it gave me more flexibility with being able to search up any artifact or enchantment instead of just equipment. But i do think the deck could do with more tutor effects so i think im going to take your suggestion and add Relic Seeker to the deck and remove Kemba, Kha Regent, like you i feel she doesnt pull her weight like she used to.

Both Crush Contraband and Return to Dust are good cards but i feel that it can be quite situational which is better.

I agree with you that Oblivion Ring should come out the deck and i feel that Grasp of Fate would be a great replacement as i've enjoyed seeing what it can do in my Brago, King Eternal deck.

I also agree with you on Finale of Glory not fitting the deck and even though it pains me to say it that Caged Sun might be to slow for the deck. So im going to take your advice and add Surestrike Trident and Ironsoul Enforcer as they're both interesting cards that i think could fit the deck nicely and i'd love to see how they do.

IHATENAMES on Itty Bitty Critty Kitty

3 months ago

I started edh in mono white forged in stone intro deck so I'm a big fan of balan. I have one I'm going to compare to this one a little later too see if there are any things I'd like to add. However. No Skullclamp ?? This is a tragedy. Seriously though I'm surprised you don't have it in your list. Overall:

Looks reasonable but kinda slow. Maybe a tad short on lands? A few easy swaps/upgrade if you can get the cards. A few cards I think underperform I pointed out below. Vultron ftw.

Few notes:

Divine Reckoning looks alot better then it is in my experience. Letting your opponents choose what they keep can suck. Tragic Arrogance hits your other perms too but you choose.

Steelshaper's Gift 1 drop open the armory. I'd run both.

Relic Seeker equipment tutor

15 equipment might be on the low side. Maybe shoot for 20 by running some less impactful but still great equipment that can make dorks into threats

Oblivion Ring has plenty of easy upgrades. Skyclave Apparition to make it a creature. Grasp of Fate to hit each player. Council's Judgment to make it permanent removal.

Crush Contraband is a better Return to Dust I think.

Finally of glory is kinda meh here. Your goal is Voltron. If you had more token support sure. But your only other token support is Kimba who I've never seen do good in years. You would be better with a alternative wincons like Felidar Sovereign or janky equipmentlike Surestrike Trident to hit face if you were going to stray a tad from the vultron idea.

Caged Sun is fun. But hard to cast here. T6 you play it hope it lasts and then maybe your ok. You can maybe find a few cards to reanimate it and that would make it more valuable but not great. I find when I play vultron you want to be killing someone around turn 5 to 7 to not get overwhelmed by valuey decks like simic and combo.

Ironsoul Enforcer interesting new card I've been trying to force into my deck. No luck yet. Maybe you'd like to try it.

Grind on Am I seeing doubles?

3 months ago

Cool deck, maybe High Tide or Caged Sun?

Slashdance on A Thunder of Dragons

4 months ago

@Housegheist

Scaled Nurturer is great, though I'm trying to stay away from creature ramp a bit because the deck gets a lot of board wipes against it and the artifacts are doing a great job. That said, if anything, I might consider replacing Caged Sun for it, which I may very likely do! Thanks.

Earthquake Dragon is already in the deck. =)

Rishkar's Expertise is great, but I'm not sure I can really take advantage of it. The pure card draw is awesome, but the expense of man is high. This is generally made up for in the fact you can drop a 5 CMC creature for free, but I only really have 8 viable targets for that, so it's not as likely that I'll have a 4-5 CMC in hand. I've been torn on adding it to the list.

Garruk's Uprising was in the deck originally but replaced with Elemental Bond. EB works a little better if I have something like Caged Sun out for +1/+1, as then I can get extra card draw when playing smaller creatures like Draconic Disciple, and I generally prefer to diversify non-essential spells, so at the moment I don't want to duplicate that kind of a card draw effect. That said, if I end up removing Caged Sun, then I may swap back to Garruk's Uprising since the cantrip on casting is nice, as is the Trample. Hmmm, yeah, really thinking about dropping Caged Sun now, lol. It's hard to do though, it's a huge mana advantage that I can get out on turn 3 or 4 sometimes, and I really, really need that mana. Ugh.

Same goes for Return of the Wildspeaker versus Hunter's Prowess, which basically does all of what RotW does that only let's you do one of for the same price.

Thanks for the great suggestions, I'll be mulling them over for a bit.

multimedia on Braids & her Interdimensional Friends

4 months ago

Hey, thanks for all the upvotes at my decks.

Nice start for mono blue and interesting Commander who I don't see played much. You have 101 cards, Desolation Twin could be cut to make 100. It's a much worse Eldrazi then the others.

Your deck could be less price, it's not overpriced garbage, but you could cut the price in half and it would be just as good. Three of the most expensive price cards here are Blightsteel, Ulamog and Betrays, but without more protection, counterspells and some more haste these creatures can be subpar to cheat with Braids because they don't give you value unless they can attack. Each of these creatures is a must kill by opponents. If you don't get to attack the first turn you give your opponents an entire cycle of turns to find an answer which in multiplayer Commander is a lot time. Treasure Mage is another creature who can tutor for Blightsteel.


Consider some more lower mana cost hard counterspells such as Arcane Denial and some creatures who can protect such as Spellskite? Protecting Braids is not as important as protecting what you cheat onto the battlefield because opponents are getting value from Braids too. More one mana instant protection is helpful such as Stubborn Denial and Slip Out the Back which is phasing and it's powerful with Braids.

Swiftfoot Boots is a lesser Greaves, but still fine and wanted in blue that doesn't have haste options. Akroma's Memorial is more price, but it's a big artifact to cheat with Braids that helps to setup other big creatures since it gives haste as well as other attacking abilities. Might also want to play Tribute Mage because can tutor for Greaves.

If you play Blightsteel, Ulamog and Betrays also consider playing some big creatures who give you value without attacking such as Hullbreaker Horror and Tidespout Tyrant? Each are much less price and can pack a punch without attacking. With Braids you'll have mana open to cast spells after your upkeep, use this mana for protection while also getting value from each spell you cast.

Bounce the permanents that your opponents cheat with Braids because the first turns cycle opponents get to trigger Braids before you. Bounce your own clones to clone something else or them. Both of these creatures when you control two them can infinite combo with Sol Ring. Bounce your own creatures who draw to cast or cheat them to draw again. Bouncing Braids can be a smart strategy because sometimes you don't want to give opponents the upkeep trigger and maybe you don't need the trigger.


Phasing, when you can control when a creature phases out is a busted effect with Braids. Vanishing can repeatedly protect Braids if you need that or deny your opponents her trigger because of how phasing works, only phasing in at your untap step. With Vanishing you can phase out Braids at any time or after your upkeep trigger which skips all your opponents upkeeps. It also protects her from opponent's sorcery board wipes which are plentiful in multiplayer Commander. You don't have to phase out Braids, but having the option can be helpful and you can politic with it by letting one opponent have the upkeep trigger and skipping the rest.

A phased out creature also phases out all auras/equipment that's attached to it, Vanishing is protected from removal when Braids is phased out. Vodalian Illusionist can also repeatedly phase out Braids. Combine phase out with Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir to protect during your turn especially any hasty creatures you cheat with Braids. If you can get Teferi down before you cast Braids then you can flash Braids in before your upkeep to trigger her before your opponents.


Consider more draw especially from creatures such as Nezahal, Primal Tide or artifacts such as The Magic Mirror that Braids can cheat? Nezahal is Mystic Remora which is excellent in multiplayer Commander with a big body who can protect itself. With Mirror you can stack the upkeep triggers to draw before Braids trigger. Mulldrifter is a budget creature for draw who can also be easily cast and is a nice target to clone/create token or bounce.

Braids is a Wizard you could take advantage of some Wizard only effects such as Azami, Lady of Scrolls can repeatedly draw two cards by tapping her and Braids. Galecaster Colossus can repeatedly bounce two nonland permanents opponents cheated with Braids. Riptide Laboratory can repeatedly bounce Braids. Combine this effect with Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir to deny your opponents Braids triggers by flash cast her at last opponent's end step and then after your upkeep bounce her with Riptide. Teferi is also a Wizard.

Vedalken AEthermage can Wizardcycle to get any Wizard including Orvar, the All-Form who does count as a Wizard while in your library/hand/graveyard. Vodalian Illusionist is also a Wizard. Wizard's Retort is Counterspell with Braids.


I like the secondary strategy of cloning your own or opponents permanents and/or gaining control of your opponents permanents that they cheat with Braids. You could expand on this strategy with Agent of Treachery, who is more price, but he can gain control of any permanent. He's also not legendary making him an excellent clone/create token target since the more of him you have the easier to control three permanents you don't own to then repeatedly draw. He's a good target to bounce because you don't lose the permanent you gained control of. Clever Impersonator can clone any nonland permanent.

Instants with buyback that target such as Mind Games and Capsize are good with Orvar, the All-Form to repeatedly trigger it. Capsize can be a win condition when you create infinite blue mana which mono blue is quite good at doing. If you want go this route you wouldn't have to add very many cards. In fact Orvar + Peregrine Drake + any buyback instant that targets is a combo for infinite blue mana from Islands as well as infinite Drake tokens as a potential win condition.


Consider more ramp? You're playing a lot of high CMC spells that you're counting on Braids to cheat them, but if you don't control Braids then more ramp could help to cast these spells. More ramp can also help to be able to cast Braids and have mana up for instant interaction the turn you play her.

High Tide is a favorite of mono blue since it's only one mana and playing so many Islands. Caged Sun with or without Braids can help to repeatedly cast almost any spell. Combine Tide/Sun with a draw spell such as Pull from Tomorrow or Blue Sun's Zenith to draw a lot of cards at instant speed, giving you a lot of options of permanents to cheat with Braids.

Good luck with your deck.

Simerix on And So It Begins

5 months ago

You won't be able to use your white spells on Archon of Absolution

Oracle en-Vec is a card that I misunderstood for a while. Make sure you really want this in the deck.

Pursuit of Knowledge you definitely don't need. This card is only good in mono-white Eight and a Half Tails because they can protect it. You don't really need it with Feather.

Risk Factor - People will always take the damage

There are cards that care about instant and sorceries in your graveyard. Feather prevents them from going to the graveyard so they don't have a lot of use. See - Surge to Victory

Weird cards: Big Score, Deafening Clarion, Sevinne's Reclamation, Caged Sun

I have a lot more to say but it'll be easier to explain in person

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