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Crushing Vines Discussion
1 month ago
Love the name
As for suggestions I feel like the deck doesn't have enough tribe members and some cards just have a better version like Crushing Vines should be Return to Nature the deck is also lacking a little bit in targeted removal.
Love the deck and the new cat alts are great
1 year ago
Here are some budget friendly non-creature removal spells you should consider running:
1 year ago
there are a few cards that stand out to me as not fitting the deck's theme. Wing Shards is the first. if you run more than 4 other instants it would be a good include but if they cast spells after they attack (storm counts every spell, not just yours) then you might as well be running Rebuke. Crushing Vines is another one. sure it has utility in that it can also kill flying creatures, but it can't even hit enchantments. something like Krosan Grip is better in almost every regard, you could also use Return to Dust. White Sun's Zenith is a good card but its less good in this strategy. most equipment decks go tall rather than wide sometimes running as little as 1 or 2 creatures. in that same regard Jazal Goldmane would be good in a go wide strategy but not really in this one. a problem with these strategies it a vulnerability to artifact destruction. there are a few solutions to this problem. the first is to run something like Privileged Position to add a forcefield around all of your stuff. the second flickering your stuff. i recommend Teferi's Protection. you could use Eerie Interlude but it only does creatures. by the way, where is Lightning Greaves? it is probably one of the most played artifacts right before Sol Ring. while I'm here, where is sol ring? its regarded as the tenth power nine and is an auto-include in and deck no matter the strategy. it's just too good. it beats Selesnya Signet it every way except the fact that the signet produces colours mana which shouldn't be a problem since all of the lands you run either produce coloured mana or fetches coloured mana. by the way, I am NOT suggesting you cut the signet it is a very good card. while we are on the subject of mana I think we should address that Sylvan Scrying. if you are going to run that you need utility lands. remember, it says ANY land. that means if you need a Glacial Chasm you got it. if you want a Dark Depths to go with that Thespian's Stage viola. but the best you can get right now is a Myriad Landscape, a Path of Ancestry or a Krosan Verge. on the subject of lands it a two colour deck that runs a lot of artifacts. you can stretch the colours mana in your mana base a bit more I reckon. a good start is Blighted Woodland as if you don't really have anything exciting to do on your turn or just really need the mana you can spend the turn doing that. another cool thing to play could be, Shimmer Myr normally wouldn't play this as you cant equip at instant speed but Hammer of Nazahn means that you can flash it in with a bunch of equipment and have a surprise army to blow out attackers. some cuttable things are; Sun Titan, Sunspear Shikari, Regal Caracal, Skyhunter Skirmisher, Abundance, Wing Shards, White Sun's Zenith, Crushing Vines and Restoration Specialist
sorry about the really long comment I've just been fantasising about build a similar deck for a while.
1 year ago
Try to ramp as much as possible and some landfall creatures like Rampaging Baloths can bring great benefit of such sorceries even in late game. Also some mass removal like Monstrous Onslaught for mono green can be a bless.
For instants you might like to look at Evolution Charm, Setessan Tactics, Crushing Vines and Krosan Grip. In case your meta has lots of boardwipes consider Wrap in Vigor and Fresh Meat for cheap options.
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1 year ago
1 year ago
Hi user: JAPuckett85 . Thanks for your suggestions.
As far as mana goes, yahh I actually have 3 Savannahs, got them in a purchase of someone’s old cards. They were the only duals he had, which was funny, cause up until now I didn’t really play . And they are very rough shape, the images are half rubbed off. He played without sleeves and was a smoker, so all his cards are a little yellowed on the edges as well. But they do the trick.
With Terramorphic Expanse and Evolving Wilds my thought was to change the mana mix in my deck slightly, as I have found I don’t need a bunch of mana. The reason I didn’t and any of the first bunch of lands you suggested is because they enter tapped. I hate that, most of the entered tapped I have in here are conditional, and usually don’t end up entering tapped. That being said though, I do like Scattered Groves for the cycling ability later game, so will probably throw one in.
As for the mana artifacts, I haven’t found I needed a ton of mana with this deck, and wanted to try Paradise Plume because of the secondary life gain, but its really not working out for me, and will probably switch it out for the either Selesnya Signet or Thran Dynamo.
My original thought with keeping Condemn was that I could bury my own attacking creature for life if there were shenanigans from the other player, but has really not played out, so going t switch it out for Path to Exile. You are right, Crushing Vines is garbage, same with Relic Crush going to switch out those for better options, Sundering Growth is so much better. But Wing Shards has worked out in the past, wiped out 3-4 attacking creatures with the storm.
With Hunter's Prowess, it’s the trample that is more important to me, I figured I would replace it with Press the Advantage, its cheaper and hits 2 of my creatures. I also like the ability to play it in multiplayer when 1 of my opponents attacks another one.
Yahh, as far as equipment goes, this deck is definitely a work in progress. I thought that with Grappling Hook I could force blocks with that key creature, but has been terrible. And I just happened to own a Sword of War and Peace so tossed it in, don’t think I have seen it in play yet, but yes, the pro-white would be a problem. Unfortunately, I cannot justify the $50 price tag on a Sword of Fire and Ice. Also don’t own a Umezawa's Jitte but might be worth a purchase, cause it is pretty good in this deck. I will put Steelshaper's Gift into my deck, but don’t think I want to add any non-cat creatures, trying to keep this super theme-y.
Creatures: Yahh, Arctic Nishoba is TERRIBLE, I am sure I removed it from my actual deck last time I played, just can’t remember what I put in its place. Alms Collector has under-preformed for sure, Brimaz, King of Oreskos is on my list for adds, just don’t have one currently. After looking, Leonin Abunas and Prowling Serpopard may have to make it in as well.
Thanks again for the comment, I have a lot of takeaways from this.
2 years ago
I love my cats deck! I know you have already seen my deck, WonderCats, but if I may make a few suggestions for yours? First off, I think the best thing you have changed is your mana-base: it looks pretty decent. Do you really own a Savannah? If so, good on you lol. Since you are only in 2 colors and have no Landfall, I would drop Terramorphic Expanse & Evolving Wilds, since in this deck Scattered Groves & Stirring Wildwood are "strictly better" (think about it.. even Blossoming Sands, Graypelt Refuge, Arctic Flats, Elfhame Palace, Selesnya Guildgate, & Grasslands are strictly better in this 2-color deck with no landfall/revolt triggers..). I really like Brushland, Sungrass Prairie, & Selesnya Sanctuary, too. I would also recommend Temple of the False God & Thran Dynamo since you have a lot of artifacts with colorless mana costs, though Gilded Lotus is good, too. Selesnya Signet & Sungrass Prairie can help filter the colorless to colored. Krosan Verge is terrible- at least go with Grasslands if you want that search for a non-basic, since it is free and the non-basic can come into play untapped (another "strictly better" situation). I would add Krosan Verge (which is essentially the same as Cultivate, & you already know how good that card is!), & another one of my favorite ramp spells: Skyshroud Claim! Notice how Skyshroud lets you bring in TWO non-basic lands.. UNTAPPED.. frikkin unreal ramp card. If you have even 3 colorless mana available, then Selesnya Signet basically costs one mana to give you ramp as well as make the other 2 mana colored. Pretty awesome early game- better than Rampant Growth, imo, though I don't run Rampant Growth myself. My last suggestion for mana-base is Strip Mine, mostly to get rid Maze of Ith, since it can be very annoying when running a Voltron strategy.
Okay- onto Instants/Sorceries.. why Condemn? With the "tuck" rules for Commanders now letting them go back to the Command Zone, why not simply run Swords to Plowshares? It is another "strictly better" case, imo. I feel Path to Exile is inferior to Swords to Plowshares in this format, but I do think even Path is still better than Condemn. Wing Shards & Crushing Vines are terrible, & Relic Crush isn't much better- Sundering Growth, Naturalize, & Nature's Claim are all good options.. & even better than those are Aura Shards & Krosan Grip. Rout & Divine Reckoning are ok, but I personally prefer Wrath of God, Catastrophe, & my pet favorite, Austere Command. The problem with Hunter's Prowess is that it costs 5-mana & is at sorcery speed.. I've found Hunter's Insight to be more useful in my own Voltron deck.
Enchantments: the Curses are kinda fun, but not effective enough to warrant a slot in an edh deck, imo. Something like Aura Shards or Sylvan Library or Greater Good or Asceticism or Duelist's Heritage has a much bigger impact on the game- & my biggest suggestion would be to add Sigarda's Aid! Amazingly broken card..
Equipment: Grappling Hook is good, but expensive- I exchanged it for Fireshrieker in my own deck & find it works better for me. Duelist's Heritage does much the same thing and is even better, imo. I LOVE Hammer of Nazahn, & if you have realized how amazing that free equip cost can be, then consider Sigarda's Aid! Add double-strike to either of those cards and then Bloodforged Battle-Axe becomes INSANE.. I have literally had 40+ Bloodforged Battle-Axes before, with 20-something equipped for free. Puresteel Paladin is obviously great, too. I think your Sword of War and Peace does as more harm than good- I personally cut both Sword of Feast and Famine & Sword of Light and Shadow from my own Arahbo deck due to the protection being a problem (not only because of the Eminence, but because of all the other cards in the 99 that target..). Sword of Fire and Ice avoids that problem in this deck, though, and is arguably the best of all the Swords. Umezawa's Jitte is INSANE. If it doesn't seem overpowered to you, then you have never played with or against it. Get something to have double-strike and it gets really crazy. Because of the shroud on Whispersilk Cloak, I personally prefer Prowler's Helm in my Arahbo build. I actually think it might benefit your deck more to cut some of the weaker equipment and add the ability to tutor for the better ones, ie- Stoneforge Mystic, Stonehewer Giant, Steelshaper's Gift, Open the Armory, etc.
Creatures- Dude, you cut Qasali Pridemage?!! He is one of the best Cats! He is basically a 3-mana destroy target artifact/enchantment that in this deck can swing for 6 damage on turn 3! Hungry Lynx & Arctic Nishoba are just plain bad, imo, & a lot of the other cats you have sit far too high on the mana-curve.. I would halve your 6-7 drops, tbh. Alms Collector under-performed for me, since drawing consecutive/additional cards isn't the same as drawing "two or more." Pride Sovereign is another under-performer that I cut, since we aren't going wide, but tall. A few MUST-have's that are missing are: Lost Leonin, Brimaz, King of Oreskos, Leonin Abunas, Mirri, Cat Warrior, & Skyhunter Skirmisher. I personally also really like Skyhunter Prowler, Chameleon Colossus (technically a cat!), Prowling Serpopard, Leonin Shikari. A few non-cats I really really like are Sun Titan, Stonehewer Giant, & Puresteel Paladin.
Anyways, hopefully I've given you some ideas.. Good Luck! I love my cats!